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PoliGAF Election Day 2008 Thread of A New Dawn in America (OBAMA ELECT)

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Cheez-It

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Plinko said:
Because that's the only way they could win. They couldn't directly challenge Obama on his policy because it's what is going to be better for America and its citizens.
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http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581/page/2

The Obama campaign was provided with reports from the Secret Service showing a sharp and disturbing increase in threats to Obama in September and early October, at the same time that many crowds at Palin rallies became more frenzied. Michelle Obama was shaken by the vituperative crowds and the hot rhetoric from the GOP candidates. "Why would they try to make people hate us?" Michelle asked a top campaign aide.
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On the Sunday night before the last debate, McCain's core group of advisers—Steve Schmidt, Rick Davis, adman Fred Davis, strategist Greg Strimple, pollster Bill McInturff and strategy director Sarah Simmons—met to decide whether to tell McCain that the race was effectively over, that he no longer had a chance to win. The consensus in the room was no, not yet, not while he still had "a pulse."
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You have to wonder; why the fuck did they continue hammering in the TERRORIST! and other incredibly incendiary and divisive attacks when they knew that in all likelihood, Obama would be elected. Disgusting if you ask me.
 
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Cheebs said:
People are over-looking just how HUGE RFK Jr. would be to the EPA if he indeed gets it. Kennedy is one of the biggest advocates for fighting global warming in the country, he is more leftist on the issue than even Al Gore. That would be a major major MAJOR victory for those wanting to fight Global Warming. He won't be like most EPA guys (in both democrat and republican administrations) who sit around and do little. He'll be an activist.
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Sounds great, actually.


We're still pissed about Bush not ratifying the Kyoto Protocol in 2005.
 
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Learn2read

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Steve Youngblood said:
I'm by no means an expert on Canadia government, so citizens of Canada, feel free to correct me here. However, it's my understanding that, though they may be voting more for the more conservative party as of late, Canadian conservatives are akin to American liberals. They might be MORE right, but they hardly represent what would be considered hard right ideals.
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Also, Canada has 3 major national parties and 1 regional one. The current Conservative gov't is a minority gov't and thus can't really go all out with there agenda, which probably ultimately helps thems by keeping them in check and not scaring people off.
 
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bob_arctor

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lawblob said:
Hagel as Sec. of State would be fucking awesome, it would completely take the wind out of the sails of the GOP argument that Obama is a liberal, divisive figure. In that single act, Obama would show more discipline and maturity than the entire eight years of Bush reign.
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Co-sign. I really like Hagel. I wanted Obama to name him VP back when we were all guessing.
 
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ZeroTolerance

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I dont think anyone of you know who Obama is going to pick at this point and its just silly to be speculating at this point. What you GAF-pundits should be doing is getting ready to support whoever BAMS pick since he will be making the ultimate decision anyway.
 
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Barrett2

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Jonm1010 said:
Maybe im missing something, why is Powell such a great choice for sec. of education?
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I think he has done work on education reform the last few years.

Also, education is one of those cabinet positions where you don't necessarily need a specialized background to do well, at least that's what I would guess. I think any effective executive / manager could succeed in that position.

Plus, this might just be wishful thinking, but I suspect Powell's military background & managerial efficiency would help in making Fed programs like No Child Left Behind more efficient.
 
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Fatalah

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I'm looking for video of each network calling Obama the winner... I NEED TO TAKE THIS ALL IN, OK?!

PS - After viewing the John Adams HBO miniseries this year, it's amazing to see how far we've come. The forefathers were great men, but even they would have trouble envisioning what occurred last night.
 
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RBH

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ImperialConquest said:
I FEEL SO BAD FOR JOHN THE SENATOR. NOT REALLY.
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Tamanon

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ZeroTolerance said:
I dont think anyone of you know who Obama is going to pick at this point and its just silly to be speculating at this point. What you GAF-pundits should be doing is getting ready to support whoever BAMS pick since he will be making the ultimate decision anyway.
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Wat?

Not speculating about the cabinet once victory has been achieved?

You must be new to politics!
 
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Jonm1010

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Monroeski said:
The Dean of the Honors College where I went to school pretty much said the same in a class of his that I took. He drew a direct comparison between the Nazi's attitude and propaganda against Jews and Limbaugh's attitude towards Liberals. Talked about how Rush is practically trying to make Liberal a bad word.
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It really started with Lee Atwater under Reagan, Roves mentor. He was the first real advocate of turning words like liberal into a bad word by always speaking of the tu\ern with a negative demeanor and tone and connecting it with anything negative that would stick, then labeling any opposition with the liberal label.
 
Haunted

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greepoman said:
And when you look at the countries which are more conservative that us almost all of them are countries we hate or consider enemies like Saudi Arabia and Iran. Strange eh?
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Not strange at all, just part of the cognitive dissonance the Republican party has pushed in the last 8 years. >_>
 
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soul creator

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Paul Krugman:

The monster years

Last night wasn’t just a victory for tolerance; it wasn’t just a mandate for progressive change; it was also, I hope, the end of the monster years.

What I mean by that is that for the past 14 years America’s political life has been largely dominated by, well, monsters. Monsters like Tom DeLay, who suggested that the shootings at Columbine happened because schools teach students the theory of evolution. Monsters like Karl Rove, who declared that liberals wanted to offer “therapy and understanding” to terrorists. Monsters like Dick Cheney, who saw 9/11 as an opportunity to start torturing people.

And in our national discourse, we pretended that these monsters were reasonable, respectable people. To point out that the monsters were, in fact, monsters, was “shrill.”

Four years ago it seemed as if the monsters would dominate American politics for a long time to come. But for now, at least, they’ve been banished to the wilderness.
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besada

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I really don't get why anyone thinks Powell makes sense for education. What the hell does he know about education.

Less political theater, more picking the best people for the job. It's a hard argument to sell that Powell is the best person we can find for Sec. of Education.
 
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Bowser

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  • Palin launched her attack on Obama's association with William Ayers, the former Weather Underground bomber, before the campaign had finalized a plan to raise the issue. McCain's advisers were working on a strategy that they hoped to unveil the following week, but McCain had not signed off on it, and top adviser Mark Salter was resisting.
  • McCain also was reluctant to use Obama's incendiary pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, as a campaign issue. The Republican had set firm boundaries: no Jeremiah Wright; no attacking Michelle Obama; no attacking Obama for not serving in the military. McCain balked at an ad using images of children that suggested that Obama might not protect them from terrorism. Schmidt vetoed ads suggesting that Obama was soft on crime (no Willie Hortons). And before word even got to McCain, Schmidt and Salter scuttled a "celebrity" ad of Obama dancing with talk-show host Ellen DeGeneres (the sight of a black man dancing with a lesbian was deemed too provocative).
  • McCain was dumbfounded when Congressman John Lewis, a civil-rights hero, issued a press release comparing the GOP nominee with former Alabama governor George Wallace, a segregationist infamous for stirring racial fears. McCain had devoted a chapter to Lewis in one of his books, "Why Courage Matters," and had so admired Lewis that he had once taken his children to meet him.
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Wow. Seems McCain got a raw deal by all those surrounding him; he lost control of his campaign and that's a shame.
 
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scorcho

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ZeroTolerance said:
I dont think anyone of you know who Obama is going to pick at this point and its just silly to be speculating at this point. What you GAF-pundits should be doing is getting ready to support whoever BAMS pick since he will be making the ultimate decision anyway.
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That's why we're speculating - because we don't know and it's fun to do so. I also think everyone's a bit saner now (cough, primaries, cough Sebelius) in their expectations/picks.
 
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Cheez-It

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Bowser said:
Wow. Seems McCain got a raw deal by all those surrounding him; he lost control of his campaign and that's a shame.
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To be sure, McCain is still responsible for endorsing many of the attack ads and giving divisive stump speeches. It does eliminate some of the negative respect I have towards him, but it does move it a bit back towards zero.
 
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Steve Youngblood

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Jonm1010 said:
It really started with Lee Atwater under Reagan, Roves mentor. He was the first real advocate of turning words like liberal into a bad word by always speaking of the tu\ern with a negative demeanor and tone and connecting it with anything negative that would stick, then labeling any opposition with the liberal label.
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I recall the same kind of rationale used to defeat stuff like the Estates Tax by rebranding it as the much more loathable "Death Tax."
 
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Particle Physicist

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JCreasy said:
wow. what a bitch.



Thanks Steve. Best decision you made the entire campaign.

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so satisfying

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haha. yeah. she really looked like she was about to break down last night. :lol

what a horrible person she is.
 
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Barrett2

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besada said:
I really don't get why anyone thinks Powell makes sense for education. What the hell does he know about education.

Less political theater, more picking the best people for the job. It's a hard argument to sell that Powell is the best person we can find for Sec. of Education.
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In that case, I nominate Mrs. Tunnelle, my 4th grade teacher. She was tough, fair, and did a hell of a job. She knew her shit, and would be good for America!
 
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Cyan

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soul creator said:
Paul Krugman:
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Not a big fan of the guy, but this a great quote:
Yes, George W. Bush’s status as the most disliked man ever to occupy the White House shows that America was not worthy of him. And attacks on Bush gave aid and comfort to his enemies — unlike the firehose of abuse that will be directed against President Obama, which will of course be an expression of true patriotism.
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Great choice of word there.
 
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Plinko

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Jonm1010 said:
Maybe im missing something, why is Powell such a great choice for sec. of education?
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1. He's Colin Powell

2. He's for completely reforming No Child Left Behind
 
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subrock

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Steve Youngblood said:
I'm by no means an expert on Canadia government, so citizens of Canada, feel free to correct me here. However, it's my understanding that, though they may be voting more for the more conservative party as of late, Canadian conservatives are akin to American liberals. They might be MORE right, but they hardly represent what would be considered hard right ideals.
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correct, I think in this country we vote conservative to be more economically conservative, and to maintain the health of our social programs (and most of the conservative votes come from the prairie provinces where a lot of the oil lives). think of it like a more socialist obama. we also voted to tie the hands of the conservatives by electing with a minority government (4 parties makes things difficult). american republicans would never get %1 of the vote if they ran here.
 
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Kipe

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Jonm1010 said:
It really started with Lee Atwater under Reagan, Roves mentor. He was the first real advocate of turning words like liberal into a bad word by always speaking of the tu\ern with a negative demeanor and tone and connecting it with anything negative that would stick, then labeling any opposition with the liberal label.
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Frontline on PBS has a documentary about Lee Atwater on Nov 11.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/atwater/
 
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besada

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lawblob said:
In that case, I nominate Mrs. Tunnelle, my 4th grade teacher. She was tough, fair, and did a hell of a job. She knew her shit, and would be good for America!
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I'm not sure who I'd want, but I know what they would be like. They would have actually been an educator at some point, and they would have experience running a huge department. Say a President of a major college, or a politicians who had taught and specialized in education as an issue.

As for a willingness to completely reform "No Child Left Behind", that's sort of the bottom floor. It's been a miserable failure and everyone knows it. Throw it away and start over.
 
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platypotamus

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Oh I forgot this little story for GAF:


During my mojito fueled election night hang-out last night:

I said something positive about Biden, can't remember what exactly.

My wife's friend: "Is he white?"


She also, at one point, asked where Palin was from.


I almost kicked her out of the house.
 
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SolidSnakex

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artredis1980 said:
I really believe we will have a book from McCain which will spill the secrets of how the Republicans destroyed his chances
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No one should feel sorry for him. He claimed he's run a clean campaign just as Obama did, Obama came through with his promise while McCain didn't. McCain has no one to blame but himself for what happened to his chances.
 
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