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OMG, Gina Gershon as Sarah Palin :lol :lol :lol
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/61410aa4ff
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/61410aa4ff
mamacint said:Fuck that, and fuck liberal guilt over feeling better than others when you genuinely have a better, more informed, point of view. I'm getting really fucking sick of this celebration of mediocrity.
JayDubya said:Bill Maher was once awesome when he stood outside the party structure and sniped both sides.
LINO Bill sucks ass.
There you go again...Cloud said:When Bill Maher was sniping both parties the GOP wasn't run by lying sacks of shit who destroyed our country. Btw I agree with mamacint, enough with the liberal guilt. If they're ignorant and stupid to vote for a party that lies to them we should treat them like that. I'm not smug towards everyone I'm smug towards morons.
JayDubya said:Bill Maher was once awesome when he stood outside the party structure and sniped both sides. I enjoyed watching Politically Incorrect on Comedy Central.
LINO Real Time Bill sucks ass.
Xisiqomelir said:Well, you know why this happened, right? They got him fired just because he made comments that weren't lockstep with the "GOD-damn turrists!" national sentiment after the WTC attacks. I'd say he has a justifiable modicum of anti-Right hostility to work through.
JayDubya said:Bill Maher was once awesome when he stood outside the party structure and sniped both sides. I enjoyed watching Politically Incorrect on Comedy Central.
benjipwns said:I think production aside (where McCain's have a similar specific theme (don't trust Obama), Obams's change randomly) Obama's are generally the same message (BUSH TWO) while McCain's keep bringing up new doubts. While Obama is right now seemingly like he's throwing everything at McCain and hasn't looked up any of it. (e-mail charges! "Bridge to Nowhere" while Obama and Biden voted for it, etc.)
I'm extremely disappointed in the Obama campaign lately. They seem to have absolutely zero clue.
Xisiqomelir said:Well, you know why this happened, right? They got him fired just because he made comments that weren't lockstep with the "GOD-damn turrists!" national sentiment after the WTC attacks. I'd say he has a justifiable modicum of anti-Right hostility to work through.
Rugasuki said:I watched the new Biden video where he mentions there are 42-44 field offices currently in Virginia and it made me think about if the polls are taking that type of thing into account.
Does anyone know if anyone has done an indepth study of how much Obama's ground game may skew the current state polls in his favor? I mean more than just speculating it could add a couple percent.
I've been volunteering in CO for Obama for the last 3 days and I noticed we have 25 field offices with likely more opening and McCain only has 9. We also have a constant stream of new volunteers daily. Also, Denver and the surrounding area has over 50% of the CO population and Obama has 6 field offices in and around Denver for Obama while McCain only has 2 and both of his are actually outside of Denver. Last weekend the Obama campaign registered 5500 voters in CO.
I really hope that these polls are underestimating Obama's ground game by a significant margin but I'd like to see something supporting it besides idle speculation.
kevm3 said:You know, I'm also starting to think that Obama should slowly shift a theme of his campaign. Palin and McCain are tainting the "change" moniker. I'm thinking Obama should maybe chance it to, "the change we NEED." Acknowledge that McCain and Palin will change the nation, but will change it in a negative direction.
"John McCain and Sarah Palin have recently taken the change moniker. Anyone notice that? Well, let me tell you. They'll bring change. Change is inevitable. They'll bring you change alright. More wars. Palin doesn't believe in global warming. With the increased disasters you've seen, it's obvious that how we treat Mother Earth is how she treats us. The economy is having a rough time. McCain doesn't think so. Well, it's kind of hard to feel the downpours of a rough economy when you have the shelter of your seven houses.
Now, my fellow friends and citizens of this great nation, we're on a forked road in American history, and the path we choose today will have drastic effects on the future of our nation. We can choose to say no to tolerance, we can say no to keeping America technologically saavy, we can say no to ending the war in Iraq, we can say no to avoiding future wars that we don't have to fight... wars based on a lack of facts and erroneous judgment My friends, we can say no to a future in which we leave our children better off than we were, something good, honest Americans have been doing since the inception of this great nation. If you are ready to say no to the future, vote McCain and Palin. However, if you are ready to say yes, yes to REAL CHANGE, if you are ready to say YES to the change we need... a rebuilding of our critical infrastructure, a leader who will use sound judgment before engaging other nation, who will keep us relevant technologically and who will work hard at rebuilding our crumbling education system, then Joe Biden and I are your men. We are the team that will bring you not just change, but the Change you NEED! Thank you and God bless!
Agent Icebeezy said:This shows the polls on Gallup for the past week. It's been wild, but there is an upturn on Obama's part
Confidence Man said:Just read this, I don't know if it's been posted already:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080913/pl_politico/13412
Obama camp should be hammering the shit out of McCain for this kind of stuff instead of putting out weak nonsense about McCain being computer illiterate. Make him look like the guy who compromised his values for attention, same old attack dog politician, etc...
Its hard to imagine a more unlikely perch for John McCain to be shamed for his increasingly hard-edged and truth-stretching campaign than the middle seat on The View.
Yet on Friday morning, there sat the Republican nominee a politician who has built an all but saintly reputation for straight talk over the years caught in a vise between Joy Behar and Barbara Walters and getting a lecture from each on honesty.
Theyre lies, Behar said of two recent lines of attack from the McCain campaign
By the way, you yourself said the same thing about putting lipstick on a pig, interjected Walters as a defensive McCain struggled to respond.
The two daytime talk show hosts are hardly alone.
McCains tactics are drawing the scorn of many in the media and organizations tasked with fact-checking the truthfulness of campaigns. In recent weeks, Team McCain has been described as dishonorable, disingenuous and downright cynical.
A series of ads ranging from accusations that Barack Obama backed teaching sex education to Illinois kindergartners to charges that Obama called Sarah Palin a lipstick-wearing pig have provoked a cascade of criticism of McCains tactics.
The furor presents a breathtaking contrast to McCains image as a kind of anti-politician who plays fair, disdains politics as usual and has never forgotten how his 2000 presidential campaign was incinerated by a series of loathsome dirty tricks in the South Carolina primary.
The defense from the candidate himself heard only on The View because he hasnt held a press conference in over a month is to essentially claim hes savaging Obama because the Illinois senator wouldnt agree to the series of town hall meetings McCain proposed at the end of the Democratic primary season.
If we had done what I asked Sen. Obama to do, because Ive been in a lot of other campaigns where I have appeared with the opposition with the people and listened to their hopes and dreams and aspirations, I don't think you'd see the tenor of this campaign," he said.
Thats the candidates public answer - and one that a former adviser suggested that McCain may have convinced himself to believe is true.
Current campaign aides and other Republicans whove closely watched the race, however, have a very different response to the media elites and good-government scolds: we dont care what you think.
McCain seems to have made a choice that many politicians succumb to but which he had always promised to avoid - he appears ready to do whatever it takes to win, even it if soils his reputation.
We recognize its not going to be 2000 again, said McCain spokesman Brian Rogers, alluding to the medias swooning coverage of McCains ill-fated crusade against then-Gov. George W. Bush and the GOP establishment. But he lost then. Were running a campaign to win. And were not too concerned about what the media filter tries to say about it.
Rogers, who hung tough with McCain through the dark days of the primary and has lived through every high and low of this turbulent and unpredictable race, argues that they tried to run a high-ground campaign and sought to keep the candidate in front of the media in the fashion he enjoys. His point: No one paid any attention.
We ran a different kind of campaign and nobody cared about us. They didnt cover John McCain. So now youve got to be forward-leaning in everything.
Rogers concedes that they were understandably overshadowed by the historic Democratic primary through June, but contends that even after the general election began they could only get attention when McCain committed a gaffe.
When hes sitting in back of bus and getting questions about Viagra, I think we understand at that point youve got to make some tactical adjustments, he said, recalling a particularly awkward gotcha-of-the-day moment on McCains bus in early July.
A senior adviser to the campaign echoed Rogers point: Some of the traditional tactics we did for a long time werent working, so we adjusted.
So instead of doing things the traditional McCain way, they tried out the Steve Schmidt way.
Turning to the playbook of a campaign manager whos been running take-no-prisoners campaigns for years brought immediate changes. It meant ending McCains anything-goes sessions with reporters on his bus that had become politically untenable in the Internet and cable news-dominated, 24-7 modern media age. And it meant embracing, rather than fighting, the notion that Obama was the star of the race.
When the August celebrity ads cut through the clutter and, for the first time in the campaign, put Obama on defense, McCain aides felt theyd got their answer about whether tougher was smarter.
Similar affirmation came when Obama first suggested McCain would bring race into the campaign and the Republican side smothered the tactic by countering that it was Obama who was playing the race card.
McCain strategists now have became even more sure of themselves following the picture-perfect reaction in the GOPs view to the decision to put Sarah Palin on the ticket. The choice provoked derision from elites, jubilation among conservative voters long skeptical of McCain and uncertainty from Obama about how to respond. If you are a McCain staffer, it doesnt get better than that so who cares that the candidate had only met her once and her chief foreign policy credential seems to be living nearer Russia than other Americans.
With polls moving in their direction and a unanimous view in the political world that the fundamentals of the race have changed dramatically in the last few weeks, McCain aides arent about to drop a flood-the-zone approach that they believe has worked. Most people would have been afraid to have called him out on race, boasted an adviser. And were not going to let sexism or denigration of her go unchecked now.
On all three counts - their portrayal of Obama as a celebrity, outrage at his purported use of race and his flat-footedness and confusion on how to respond to Palin - McCain aides saw weakness and indecision.
It adds up to a campaign that is now unapologetically aggressive and aimed almost entirely at keeping Obama off-message, even if it means hitting him below the belt in the process.
Clearly we intend to stay on offense, said Rogers. Thats what we need to do because the campaign is fundamentally about him. We feel comfortable about the ads were running and arguments were marking.
And, given their surge in the polls and Obamas uncertainty about how to respond to the Palin phenomenon, theyre going to keep it up.
Every day not talking about the economy, the war and how to fix a broken system is a victory for McCain, said John Weaver, a former top strategist to the nominee who left the campaign last year. Theyre going to ride it as long as they can and as long as the mainstream media puts up every ridiculous charge.
The negative and often exaggerated or misleading claims being made about Obama and Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, especially those playing on Palins gender, are just too irresistible for the process-consumed online and cable news media that now drives the campaign conversation, Weaver said.
Unless there is a hurricane, theyre going to cover it, he observed.
Adds Terry Nelson, McCains former campaign manager: It works in part because Obama responds to it.
The question now, though, is just how long McCain can keep riding the wave of process and Palin.
If they dont attack her, shes going to go back to being the vice presidential nominee, said Nelson of the Democrats. And in the natural scheme of things, the focus will go back to McCain and Obama.
At that point, the biggest burden for the McCain campaign will be to convey a compelling, positive vision for the countrys future."
A top McCain adviser said theyre hoping to keep the still-flowing momentum from their convention going as long as they can.
But weve always been planning to get back on the economy, jobs and energy, said this strategist.
And even if they werent, the campaign calendar would demand it.
McCain and Obama face off in three debates, beginning on September 26th at Ole Miss - events that will force a focus, at least temporarily, on issues rather than pigs, lipstick and the sex lives of kindergartners.
mckmas8808 said:If you read the BOLDED parts you can get the gist of the article. I think this is a losing strategy for McCain. I mean Hillary tried the same burn and fire campaign and she lost too.
laserbeam said:I think that response is pretty powerful as far as coming back at the technology thing. The Hurricane will probably spare the Obama camp a controversy though so they should count their blessings. This has the potential to be another multi day controversy and thus multi day loss of issues talk
Frank the Great said:She started doing that way too late. Her poll numbers were pretty high towards the end and she did have momentum.
I think this is a winning strategy if they keep it up. The ball is in Obama's court to somehow get on message again.
The Obama campaign is pretty clearly just waiting for the debates. They started to change things for Kerry, let's hope they will provide boosts for Obama.
Frank the Great said:She started doing that way too late. Her poll numbers were pretty high towards the end and she did have momentum.
I think this is a winning strategy if they keep it up. The ball is in Obama's court to somehow get on message again.
The Obama campaign is pretty clearly just waiting for the debates. They started to change things for Kerry, let's hope they will provide boosts for Obama.
Every day not talking about the economy, the war and how to fix a broken system is a victory for McCain, said John Weaver
GhaleonEB said:http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...da/election_2008_nevada_presidential_election
Rasmussen has McCain up by three in Nevada. Unchanged from last month. And the past four months, actually. I mention this because this is the second state poll they've done where McCain didn't get a bounce over previous polls (Missouri was yesterday). I think it's an indication that his bounce may have peaked or receding in some states.
grandjedi6 said:and with that, democracy cried.
Stoney Mason said:Yep. You're independent. An independent asshole.
AniHawk said:I think a lot of people forget what actually happened in the primaries. Anywhere Obama campaigned, despite Hillary's attacks, his numbers went up. He was always expected to lose places like Pennsylvania and Ohio and even Indiana. He wound up losing PA by less than 10 points (he was down by 20-30 a month earlier), faced similar odds in OH (can't remember specifically right now), and even the best bet was that IN would go to Hillary by at least 5 points. She won it by less than one. This was during wave after wave of negative campaigning. It didn't work.
russia said:And have you not forgotten, you pith-headed little bimbo from the back of beyond, that small detail about the slaughter of Russian citizens by Georgians, which started the whole debacle? So next time suppose you keep your mouth shut and while you’re at it, make sure the members of your family keep their legs shut too. Your country has enough failed mothers as it is.
Obama Cancels SNL Appearance
By JIM RUTENBERG
As Hurricane Ike lashed the Texas coast Friday night, Senator Barack Obama announced he would not appear on the season premiere of Saturday Night Live.
The Obama campaign released the following statement:
In light of the unfolding crisis in Texas, Senator Obama has decided it is no longer appropriate to appear on Saturday Night Live tomorrow evening.
mckmas8808 said:...but it pissed me off when Wolf Blizter on Friday said that "if Hillary had 2 more months worth of primaries we wouldn't know if Obama would have received the nomination."
And that's complete bull.
Wolf Blitzer said:If Hillary were Obama, we wouldn't know if Hillary would have lost the nomination.
God's Beard said:
:lol"Sarah Palin, Mrs. Nobody know-it-all shreiking cow from Alaska"
BenjaminBirdie said:DAMN IT, GOD.
love russia.God's Beard said:
grandjedi6 said:and with that, democracy cried.
Tommie Hu$tle said:Ok, dude is a dumb ass. He is starting to take himself too seriously. He need to realize that Americans want to see him period. This would be a good vehicle to get aid to those in need. Good god, spontaneity motherfucker! Do you speak it?
God's Beard said:
Tommie Hu$tle said:Ok, dude is a dumb ass. He is starting to take himself too seriously. He need to realize that Americans want to see him period. This would be a good vehicle to get aid to those in need. Good god, spontaneity motherfucker! Do you speak it?
Hypothetical McCain said:While hard-working Americans struggle to stay afloat during this horrible time, Barack Obama sees nothing wrong with drowning us further with his celebrity.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0819/p12s01-woeu.htmlmckmas8808 said:Is it true that Georgia killed some citizens before Russia got involved?
mckmas8808 said:Is it true that Georgia killed some citizens before Russia got involved?
dittoBranduil said:If McCain loses(he probably will), I think Huckabee will be the leading candidate for the next election.
This is a joke article right?God's Beard said:
God's Beard said:
It's Putins puppet media organization. Its of course serious. Pravda has been a puppet group for the Soviets,KGB etc since 1917Door2Dawn said:This is a joke article right?
AniHawk said:I think this is the appropriate response.
I mean, Obama's response is appropriate. Not yours.
BenjaminBirdie said:DAMN IT, GOD.
Tommie Hu$tle said:What's wrong with him getting on SNL and making a statement about we need to have our thoughts and prayers with the people of SE Texas. If he is going to be a celebrity then fucking own the term and do some good with it. It's called leveraging, this is how he can keep the focus on him in a positive light. He can get a jump on the Sunday talk show circuit. I think it is easy money.
BenjaminBirdie said:DAMN IT, GOD.
holy shitGod's Beard said:
laserbeam said:China condemned Russia over the situation and when Russia asked for Chinese support they said no. That should speak volumes
(CNN) John McCains campaign is running a Spanish language ad in battleground states that blames Barack Obama and Senate Democrats for the failure of attempts to overhaul the nations immigration laws even though the Republican nominee and his Democratic counterpart cast identical votes in the key Senate showdowns on that issue last year
Obama and his congressional allies say they are on the side of immigrants. But are they? asks the announcer in the 30-second spot, Which Side Are They On?
The press reports that their efforts were 'poison pills' that made immigration reform fail, he continues. The result: No guest worker program. No path to citizenship. No secure borders. No reform. Is that being on our side? Obama and his Congressional allies ready to block immigration reform, but not ready to lead.
But Obama and McCain cast identical votes in the major congressional showdowns on the issue last year. Both men cast votes in favor of an unsuccessful early June effort to end a filibuster. Later that month, they voted again to end debate on the issue but again failed to shut down the filibuster effort, led for the most part by Republican senators.
The ad will air in Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada, all crucial fall states with significant Hispanic voting populations.