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Cheebs said:
Good. The less of Brokaw talking the better for Obama. The only one that worries me now the Schieffer.
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Good. The less of Brokaw talking the better for Obama. The only one that worries me now the Schieffer.
AndyIsTheMoney said:
I have no idea what you are talking about. The Fed gov. has various entitlement programs that taxpayers pay into and then derive a defined benefit from; Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security. The Feds electing to bail out investment banks & lenders in order to avoid a broader financial crunch has nothing to do with the Feds entitlement programs. They have nothing in common. The banks are not 'entitled' to anything; any gov. bailout is an optional remedy, basically a gift from the gov. to the banks.
Yeah, I was reading a quip from First Read just a bit ago about that:maximum360 said:
Then again, why is that when Republican candidates attend fundraisers with celebrities (like McCains recent event with Jon Voight, Jon Cryer, Patricia Heaton, Angie Harmon, Robert Duvall), it garners less attention than when Democrats do?
Is the clip of Ralph Nader lamenting his campaign's lack of coverage to a parrot new?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rvuF7p2uwE
Cheebs said:
Do you/Can you really blame Bush for all that? Katrina is more of the local government's failure, Europe hating us I don't really care about. What could he have done for the energy crisis? And how can he be blamed for the current economy situation? You give the President a lot more power than he really has.
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lawblob said:
it was a joke blob.
i think we all know our entitlement programs have no link with the housing collapse. and i wasn't making the point. i was just saying entitlement programs are becoming increasingly more expensive, and becoming more difficult to pay for. and i was saying. in response to the other persons post, that that might be what mccain was talking about when he mentioned a "social contract"
AndyIsTheMoney said:
Gotcha. As for McCain's statement, I don't think he meant anything by it. He was clearly not speaking in any particular term-of-art language, I think he was just trying to 'connect' with voters by sounding like he has some kind of wisdom on the topic.
But yeah, the entitlement programs are a problem. It's too bad Bush's Social Security privatization scheme was such a joke, I would hypothetically like to see the system privatize, but unfortunately Bush's plan was such obvious garbage that I doubt Congress will be willing to broach the subject for a few more years.
this is not a bailout, which is evident by Bernanke's stance against providing direct assistance to either Lehman and AIG. Bear Stearns wasn't 'too big to fail', it was 'too interconnected to the rest of the financial industry to fail'. a Stearns failure would've left a lot of casualties on Wall Street and thrown the economy more violently into crisis.AndyIsTheMoney said:
the same with Freddie and Fannie, who are too tied up in international capital flows to default.
Well, I do love all things space, so I'm quite happy he set out lofty goals for NASA. I'm NOT so happy that they've had to cut science to achieve it, and their budget hasn't been multiplied 50 times like I would like in my utopian ideal, but hey, it's something.Cheebs said:
delirium said:
Katrina was the fault of many...However, video shows that although Bush was aware of the impending danger of Katrina, he left the crisis in the hands of his appointee: Brownie. He then flew off to Arizona to celebrate McCain's birthday while people drowned.
His energy policy was born from a meeting with Ken Lay and Dick Cheney...It's oil-centric with absolutely no room for alternative forms. His administration was also directly involved with deregulation in the oil market and has allowed the speculators to run rampant and drive the price of oil up artificially. In case you haven't noticed...there is no shortage. Neither you nor I have had to wait in line for gas...the last time I did that I was 2 years old.
The economy is falling because of the mortgage crisis which (like the oil industry) was allowed to run rampant and gorge themselves on sub-prime mortgages. It took this crisis to put some of those limitations back on the books. I didn't even mention the strain the Iraq war has been....not to mention the poor way in which its funding has been handled.
All these (and many more) moves have been signed into law by this tard of a president so yeah....he could have helped quite a bit.
This might be a micro-trend to watch. In the Kos internals, Palin's net positive has been dropping steadily.
This is the three day rolling average of Palin's net favorable rating, compared to the three day rolling average of how women say they'll vote for Obama and McCain:
Obama is doing better with women as Palin's approval rating drops. Which is why he's up four in their poll. (Men haven't really shifted over the six days of the poll.)
This is the three day rolling average of Palin's net favorable rating, compared to the three day rolling average of how women say they'll vote for Obama and McCain:
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Palin - Net Favorable McCain Obama
13 44 51
9 43 52
6 43 52
3 42 53Obama is doing better with women as Palin's approval rating drops. Which is why he's up four in their poll. (Men haven't really shifted over the six days of the poll.)
polyh3dron
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Wow, so anyone that challenges McCain even a little bit is in the tank for Obama lolLoudninja said:
Phony Outrage FTW
Mika is part of the LIBRUL MEDIA ELITE lol
a small profile of the brain trust behind McCain's ambiguous economic platform - http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/09/15/mccain-econ-team/
DeathbyVolcano
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Is there any sort of Gallup slated for today? I usually think they're the most accurate.
Yes, abortion is "rewarding" the parents. I can't imagine how pro-lifers, who spend so much time painting abortion in the worst light possible are able to think of it as some kind of joy to the parents. I'd say that you are the one holding "children responsible for their parent's sins" because you are the one who would force them into a world where they are unwanted or born into squalor, while ignoring the fact tht we have the highest infant mortality in the industrialized world. Why not care for the babies who are born wanted by helping government improve child health care instead of worrying about potential babies (note again that I am talking about pre-viability abortion, which are the vast majority of all abortions)? What is insane to me is that so many conservatives seem to care about abortions, but don't seem to give a damn once the baby is born.Branduil said:
I'm still waiting for an explaination on how you can consider a haploid and diploid cell to be not morally equivalent, while also claiming that the rights of a diploid cell trump those of a fully formed and functioning human being.JayDubya said:
Beer Monkey
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This thread should be labeled 'all abortion debate goes here'. 
Instigator
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Gay marriage and abortion, do the resident libertarians at GAF care about anything else?
polyh3dron
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Oh snap, Russert was SO awesome.GrotesqueBeauty said:
The McCain of today would be all like "Well since you're a supporter of Senator Obama tell him to come walk into this nice
polyh3dron
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McCain INVENTED TEH BLACKBERRYmamacint said:
What? You want to make fun of that? They used to take thorny Blackberry bushes and torture John with them when he was a POW and that's how they got the name. By using a Blackberry, you put your Country First!
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mamacint said:
I think RIM is going to be pretty surprised by this news. Should they get their patent lawyers ready?
And is there anyway to set up a separate abortion debate thread? This thread should be reserved for freaking out about the polls.
AniHawk said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDpaTE9K_XE
He "gotcha'd" McCain on his stance on Iraq... by using his owns words against him. McCain said some meaty words about the Somalia incident in 93 which are perfectly applicable to the situation in Iraq. McCain never realized those were his words Russert was quoting.
I don't know if this has already been posted but where in the fuck is CNN getting their information? Look at this electoral map and explain this shit (link to a video):
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/15/preston.electoral.map.cnn
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/15/preston.electoral.map.cnn
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Neither does the viewer. Why doesn't it clarify that they were his words?reilo said:
maximum360
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reilo said:
And that was the sad part. The guy's age is catching up to him. He's nowhere as sharp as he used to be. Toss Palin into the equation and his presidency is a nightmare waiting to happen. Instead of a reasonable thinking republican running mate he chose Bush in a dress...with lipstick.
polyh3dron
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Russert reads a quote to McCain asking what he thinks about it with someone talking about the war, saying "There's no reason for the US to remain, the American people want them home and I believe the majority of congress wants them home, our continued military presence allows another situation to rise which could then lead to the wounding, killing or capture of American fighting men and women; we should do all in our power to avoid that. What should be the criteria is our immediate, orderly withdrawal. And if we do not do that and other Americans die, then I would say that the responsibilities for that lie with the Congress, who did not exercise their authority under the Constitution. For us to get into nation-building, law and order et cetera I think, is a tragic and terrible mistake."AniHawk said:
McCain responds by saying "and what happens after we leave" and basically shoots the quote down. He calls a "heartfelt" statement though. Russert then tells McCain that those were his words about the Somali conflict. O SNAP
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reilo said:
I can't wait to watch that when I get home. I miss Russert so much. Tom's doing his best but the show really boring now
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Odrion said:
Some would still consider it good news.
DeathbyVolcano
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Doesn't matter anyway, LHC in one month
artredis1980
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mamacint said:
so is McCain a Canadian? RIM is the creator of Blackberry, RIM is a canadian company
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scorcho said:
It's still so very disgusting that key people (and party) behind the current fiscal fiasco are the top dogs behind the McCain campaign yet it has, so far, not suffered as it rightly should and that it is still a possibility that voters will give these corrupt shitheads another four years at bat.
polyh3dron
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noooooooooooooartredis1980 said:
Captain Pants
Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
artredis1980 said:
McCain is Kittonwy confirmed. This explains so much.
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