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[the_zombie_luke]

If McCain wins in November it will seriously give me motivation for moving out of the country indefinitely (which I'd be doing for other reasons as well, but I've been running dry on motivation lately). It's kind of unbelievable how fucked this country is that it's this close between a candidate like Obama and a ticket like McCain/Palin. Absolutely unbelievable. But you have to keep in mind it's really no different from the past several years. Roughly half the country's retarded, the other half not so much, and it's a small group of semi-retarded mouth breathers who will decide this election. There really are two americas. Same shit, different election.

Yep and they can't be reasoned with either. This guy at my job found I liked Obama and he went into a generic mini-diatribe, "You don't like hunting! You don't like your freedom!" and all this other garbage, before he scurried away. I was going to ask him how much freedom we really have with gas prices stomping us and medical bills getting out of control.

Hunting didn't exactly disappear under Clinton either. That just pisses me off. At the very least, even if you're pretending the two wars are going fine, can't you see your money disappearing and outrageous taxes just being wasted? I visited British Columbia two years ago, and I couldn't believe it. Everyone was pretty nice and I bet it would be an awesome place to live. The biggest thing is McCain will not have a good health plan, and it will be the same, "get sick and get in debt" system we have now. That's why I wouldn't mind Canada. At the same time, Obama is much better than John Kerry and the Republican party better watch out for the youth+black vote one two punch. But I have horrible feeling we'll get another 2004.

 

[Stoney Mason]

lol@this hispanic numbers from that SUSA poll in NM:

69-28.

When Obama wins, expect comprehensive, bi-partisan immigration reform that's humane and sensible. If the GOP continue to run against immigrants, they run the very real risk of never winning another national election every again until Democrats have their turn at screwing the pooch.

That's consistent with the national numbers.
In the Daily Kos poll this morning it was 67-29 at the national level for Hispanics.

 

[maximum360]

She might as well just call him a n----- and be done with it...

You forgot to add "uppity" before the "n-----".

 

[Frank the Great]

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=edc4d070-fb0f-43a8-b19c-6b32c3ad36f7

New Mexico 9/17/08 (9/14-9/16)
Obama 52
McCain 44
+8 Spread.




New Mexico Redeemed.

NM was never in doubt.

Obama just needs CO or NV to win.

chillthefuckoutigothis.gif

 

[PhoenixDark]

Hopefully MI stays blue but it'll be tough. Granholm is hated by many (even Dems) and the Kilpatrick fiasco doesn't help AT ALL..

I'd argue Granholm gained some respect/sympathy when Kilpatrick threw her under the bus.

Michigan will stay blue

 

[Xisiqomelir]

I know the election is far from sealed and over, but is anyone else dreaming of Election Night festivities yet?

The head organiser for the Dem chapter of AZ lives right across the street from my boss (big JSA fan, but a great boss). I intend to show up with a 24 pack of Fat Tire and a printout of my Intrade balance sheet, and a blank EC map with red and blue magic markers. It should be a great time.

 

[Incognito]

I know the election is far from sealed and over, but is anyone else dreaming of Election Night festivities yet?

If things keep going in this direction through November, I'm buying a copy of the electoral map and hanging it in my bedroom.

I'll be driving to Boulder sporting my "Chill out I got this" teeshirt.

Scoring will never be so easy....

 

[Frank the Great]

The head organiser for the Dem chapter of AZ lives right across the street from my boss (big JSA fan, but a great boss). I intend to show up with a 24 pack of Fat Tire and a printout of my Intrade balance sheet, and a blank EC map with red and blue magic markers. It should be a great time.

What's JSA?

 

[Fragamemnon]

Yep and they can't be reasoned with either. This guy at my job found I liked Obama and he went into a generic mini-diatribe, "You don't like hunting! You don't like your freedom!"

The weird thing about the whole hunting debate is how it's been so focused on gun ownership. You want to really help hunting AND the environment? Start working with state and local officals to provide incentives and legal protections for rural property owners so that they can open up more land for hunters, and fund the necessary conservation work so that game (and, indirectly non-game) wildlife populations can flourish.

 

[HylianTom]

lol@this hispanic numbers from that SUSA poll in NM:

69-28.

When Obama wins, expect comprehensive, bi-partisan immigration reform that's humane and sensible. If the GOP continue to run against immigrants, they run the very real risk of never winning another national election every again until Democrats have their turn at screwing the pooch.

Pretty much. Barring some dramatic voting pattern shift, the next election or two are the GOP's last chances of winning. Instead of hearing "can the Democrats win without the South?" we'll be hearing "can the Republicans win anywhere outside of the South?"

Because of demographic shift over time, THIS will be the new normal >>>

Win this year, and the Supreme Court is ours for a century.

 

[Tamanon]

What's JSA?

I don't know the exact abbreviation, but it's another name some folks use for McCain.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Yep and they can't be reasoned with either. This guy at my job found I liked Obama and he went into a generic mini-diatribe, "You don't like hunting! You don't like your freedom!" and all this other garbage, before he scurried away. I was going to ask him how much freedom we really have with gas prices stomping us and medical bills getting out of control.

Hunting didn't exactly disappear under Clinton either. That just pisses me off. At the very least, even if you're pretending the two wars are going fine, can't you see your money disappearing and outrageous taxes just being wasted? I visited British Columbia two years ago, and I couldn't believe it. Everyone was pretty nice and I bet it would be an awesome place to live. The biggest thing is McCain will not have a good health plan, and it will be the same, "get sick and get in debt" system we have now. That's why I wouldn't mind Canada. At the same time, Obama is much better than John Kerry and the Republican party better watch out for the youth+black vote one two punch. But I have horrible feeling we'll get another 2004.

Worst one I had was a customer who said she would not vote for Obama, because her mom sent her an email saying that Obama supported abortions of babies up to 8 months of pregnancy and if they come out alive anyway that it would be ok to kill them after they were born...I think most people voting for McCain are misinformed and buying into the republican bullshit they've been spewing. When I asked another older lady at my work why she was voting McCain, the only reasons given were her daughter works for the McCain campaign as a caterer and that Obama is a terrorist...

 

[Sleeker]

Oh my, Lady Lynn is getting toasted right now :lol

Why is Barak elite?
Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild: "I know it when I see it"

Yeah you sure do...

Theres a dead give away right there.

 

[backbreaker65]

yesterday, I stated that obama should scare the shit out of seniors about social security. Because of wall street and now they have an ad up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV9GZUtCgPc

 

[mclem]

A friend of mine asked if I was organising an election night party (I said I wasn't likely to due to work the next day), and told me he'd booked the Thursday and Friday off.

I had to break the news to him that he'd completely screwed up his dates.

 

[Saint Gregory]

Theres a dead give away right there.

 

[JayDubya]

Win this year, and the Supreme Court is ours for a century.

So it's imperative that McCain wins?

 

[pxleyes]

So it's imperative that McCain wins.

if you want to set the country back 100 years.

 

[ViperVisor]

WTFs

Bill Maher is on Maddow again?

 

[JayDubya]

if you want to set the country back 100 years.

1908? Well, that's before Wilson, FDR, and LBJ. Sounds good!

 

[thekad]

if you want to set the country back 100 years.

Yes, yes he does.

Edit: beaten

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Why are people talking about a member of the Rothschild family? The very name conveys elitist snobbery and so no one will ever take her seriously.

 

[Keylime]

WTFs

Bill Maher is on Maddow again?

The Maher the merrier!

 

[Tamanon]

http://backporch.fanhouse.com/2008/09/17/does-espn-have-a-pro-obama-bias/#comments

When ESPN's Stuart Scott gave a fawning interview to Barack Obama last month, I thought it reflected poorly on Scott as a journalist, but I didn't think it reflected any type of institutional bias on the part of ESPN.

However, it is easy to see how someone could think there's a larger pro-Obama bias among ESPN's editorial employees. A database search of donations to the campaigns of Obama and John McCain reveals that at least six ESPN editorial employees -- Desmond Howard, Scoop Jackson, Kelly Naqi, John Saunders, Bill Walton and Stephen A. Smith -- have given to Obama's campaign. No ESPN editorial employees are listed as donors to McCain's campaign in the records at OpenSecrets.org.

I asked ESPN spokesman Josh Krulewitz what ESPN's policy is on political donations, and he told me:
For ESPN in general, decisions on political donations are made by employees entirely on their own. For specifically folks with editorial roles, we discourage public participation in matters of political advocacy or controversy.
Discouraging people with editorial roles from engaging in political advocacy is sound policy, and it's surprising that Howard, Jackson, Naqi, Saunders, Walton and Smith decided to ignore that discouragement.

I can't believe MDS of all people is trying to insinuate that ESPN has a pro-Obama bias. This is the same man that claimed that Bob Ley would ask McCain a ton of hardball questions in his fluff interview. But he didn't, so MDS didn't talk about it, only about softballs in Stuart Scott's Obama interview.

It's a sports network, they're fluff pieces! I don't want hard questions on ESPN.:lol

 

[ViperVisor]

So it's imperative that McCain wins?

If He does and I will pull a Weekend at Bernie's for 2 terms if needed to keep the old liberal guard serving on the court.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

Why are people talking about a member of the Rothschild family? The very name conveys elitist snobbery and so no one will ever take her seriously.

de Rothschild for extra l33t.

 

[HylianTom]

So it's imperative that McCain wins?

If I were of your political persuasion, yes. Imperative.

If He does and I will pull a Weekend at Bernie's for 2 terms if needed to keep the old liberal guard serving on the court.

You're a good man, ViperVisor. I salute you! :lol

 

[Frank the Great]

Pretty much. Barring some dramatic voting pattern shift, the next election or two are the GOP's last chances of winning. Instead of hearing "can the Democrats win without the South?" we'll be hearing "can the Republicans win anywhere outside of the South?"

Yeah, and this election is the Democrats to lose! It will be a blow out! :lol

1908? Well, that's before Wilson, FDR, and LBJ. Sounds good!

It was also before the Supreme Court ruled on Brown v. Board of Ed.

 

[pxleyes]

1908? Well, that's before Wilson, FDR, and LBJ. Sounds good!

You don't need to dig up corpses to have one in the white house if you vote for McCain.

 

[theviolenthero]

Donald Trump just endorsed John McCain on the "Larry King" show.
Reason = taxes

 

[devilhawk]

I tried to watch Maddow's show. I really did...

 

[PhoenixDark]

http://backporch.fanhouse.com/2008/09/17/does-espn-have-a-pro-obama-bias/#comments



I can't believe MDS of all people is trying to insinuate that ESPN has a pro-Obama bias. This is the same man that claimed that Bob Ley would ask McCain a ton of hardball questions in his fluff interview. But he didn't, so MDS didn't talk about it, only about softballs in Stuart Scott's Obama interview.

It's a sports network, they're fluff pieces! I don't want hard questions on ESPN.:lol

What the fuck would he expect Stuart Scott to ask a presidential candidate? Questions about Iraq? :lol

 

[Keylime]

Donald Trump just endorsed John McCain on the "Larry King" show.
Reason = taxes

Oh shit...there goes the self-centered multi-millionare demographic...

Gallup's be damned, Donald just trumped this election.

 

[Incognito]

Obama is going to drop at least $39 mill in Florida?

 

[the_zombie_luke]

Worst one I had was a customer who said she would not vote for Obama, because her mom sent her an email saying that Obama supported abortions of babies up to 8 months of pregnancy and if they come out alive anyway that it would be ok to kill them after they were born...I think most people voting for McCain are misinformed and buying into the republican bullshit they've been spewing. When I asked another older lady at my work why she was voting McCain, the only reasons given were her daughter works for the McCain campaign as a caterer and that Obama is a terrorist...

It really is disturbing that people believe that. The GOP doesn't even have to work that hard with their propaganda when some people believe everything they say, no matter how insane. Especially the "Obama is a terrorist" stuff. Someone with common sense should be able to say, "wait a minute! Objection! The GOP is lying!"

 

[Xisiqomelir]

Obama is going to drop at least $39 mill in Florida?

Kind of, someone posted the new Plouffe strat vid this morning, and that's where I heard about it, but no one really discussed it.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Obama is going to drop at least $39 mill in Florida?

If they get those 1.4 million "base voters" to register/vote Obama could win Florida

 

[Frank the Great]

I don't know the exact abbreviation, but it's another name some folks use for McCain.

Well I knew that, I was wondering what JSA stands for exactly.

 

[Yaweee]

I really, really, really don't like McCain, but there's been a lot of ridiculous hyperbole about how terrible his election would be. Sure, he's been a complete and utter douchebag since the beginning of the general campaign, and, yes, there's not the slightest sign at all from the last year that he has any respect at all for civil liberties, but do people actually think he would be worse than Bush? I can't see why his being elected would push people to flee the country.

 

[Gruco]

Win this year, and the Supreme Court is ours for a century.

Even if we win this year, still need to put up with Roberts, Alito and Thomas for a sadly long time. No sure how old Kennedy and Scalia are, but I don't see an Obama victory being particularly meaningful for the supreme court. Of course if McCain won and replaces Stevens, that would be an utter disaster and all, but I don't think there's much Obama can do on the supreme court other than stop the bleeding.

 

[AndyIsTheMoran]

You're still on this Obama has no experience thing? :lol Now I remember why I'm not responding to your posts :lol

3-4 years in the senate, half of the time running for president. that's experience? Never ran a business, never been in the military, never even ran anything. Has he ever even had people that work for him besides in his campaign?

Im not saying hes not qualified to be president, but his record is not experience. sorry its not. If this was McCain's record you would say the same thing. Your blind partisanship keeps you from admitting this.

 

[Keylime]

Obama is going to drop at least $39 mill in Florida?

It was in Plouffe's strategy video, posted some pages ago, but I don't know if that fact was brought to light.

It wasn't clear to me whether that was their entire Florida campaign expenditure estimate or their estimate from this point forward, though.

 

[KTallguy]

3-4 years in the senate, half of the time running for president. that's experience? Never ran a business, never been in the military, never even ran anything. Has he ever even had people that work for him besides in his campaign

Apparently the ability to run a business isn't a prerequisite of being able to run the US as President.

If you want to read up on his experience: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

 

[Clevinger]

I really, really, really don't like McCain, but there's been a lot of ridiculous hyperbole about how terrible his election would be. Sure, he's been a complete and utter douchebag since the beginning of the general campaign, and, yes, there's not the slightest sign at all from the last year that he has any respect at all for civil liberties, but do people actually think he would be worse than Bush? I can't see why his being elected would push people to flee the country.

He probably wouldn't be worse, but I'm guessing he'd be a continuation with a handful of improvements here and there.

 

[ViperVisor]

Obama is going to drop at least $39 mill in Florida?

1 Eva Mendes to get the more GOP leaning, tend to be of Cuban background, Hispanics to Barack would be nice.

 

[MoxManiac]

I really, really, really don't like McCain, but there's been a lot of ridiculous hyperbole about how terrible his election would be. Sure, he's been a complete and utter douchebag since the beginning of the general campaign, and, yes, there's not the slightest sign at all from the last year that he has any respect at all for civil liberties, but do people actually think he would be worse than Bush? I can't see why his being elected would push people to flee the country.

I think he could be almost as bad. And with the damage done from bush, almost as bad could be bad enough. Do you think the country could survive 8 more years of bush, if it were possible? I don't.

 

[Guts Of Thor]

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=edc4d070-fb0f-43a8-b19c-6b32c3ad36f7

New Mexico 9/17/08 (9/14-9/16)
Obama 55
McCain 44




New Mexico Redeemed.

Awesome. I'm pretty sure New Mexico will go blue this year.

 

[Frank the Great]

3-4 years in the senate, half of the time running for president. that's experience? Never ran a business, never been in the military, never even ran anything. Has he ever even had people that work for him besides in his campaign?

Im not saying hes not qualified to be president, but his record is not experience. sorry its not. If this was McCain's record you would say the same thing. Your blind partisanship keeps you from admitting this.

I think the point is that no one cares one way or the other about experience. The only reason Palin's experience is lulz-worthy is because McCain himself pretended like experience was important, and then totally undercut himself.

 

[Saint Gregory]

I really, really, really don't like McCain, but there's been a lot of ridiculous hyperbole about how terrible his election would be. Sure, he's been a complete and utter douchebag since the beginning of the general campaign, and, yes, there's not the slightest sign at all from the last year that he has any respect at all for civil liberties, but do people actually think he would be worse than Bush? I can't see why his being elected would push people to flee the country.

I used to like McCain a lot, and I like to think that he's still in there somewhere, but my terror started the moment Fem-Bush came on the scene because there's a substantial chance that she'll become president and be a lot worse than Bush.

 

[smurfx]

I really, really, really don't like McCain, but there's been a lot of ridiculous hyperbole about how terrible his election would be. Sure, he's been a complete and utter douchebag since the beginning of the general campaign, and, yes, there's not the slightest sign at all from the last year that he has any respect at all for civil liberties, but do people actually think he would be worse than Bush? I can't see why his being elected would push people to flee the country.

it aint' so much him that will be the problem. it's going to be the people he puts in his cabinet and other positions to keep republicans happy if he gets into office. bush isn't that bad of a person but it's all of the people around him that do the real damage.