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[Manmademan]

Continued uptick in the tracking polls and some big polling in IA and IN probably caused a lot of this swing.

First??? man I posted that gif a full page ago!

 

[syllogism]

Biden tapping a reporter's chest, telling him, 'you need to work on your pecs'... Developing...

That's not even "developing" as it happened yesterday. I think Drudge is just having fun for once.

 

[Keylime]

I hereby claim victory in the abortion debate, as no one has refuted my statement.

Victory tastes so fucking sweet.

 

[Instigator]

Biden tapping a reporter's chest, telling him, 'you need to work on your pecs'... Developing...

I like how Drudge has stories of Murdoch saying Obama would be bad for the economy. As if the FoxNews doesn't serve as his mouthpiece and has not conveyed this message.

 

[Barrett2]

I hereby claim victory in the abortion debate, as no one has refuted my statement.

Victory tastes so fucking sweet.

At last our long national nightmare is over. Now let us heal from this debate and move on to more substantive issues, like Joe Biden poking a reporter's chest & pointing out the reporter's weakling body.

 

[Instigator]

I hereby claim victory in the abortion debate, as no one has refuted my statement.

Victory tastes so fucking sweet.

Yes, you won. I can confirm it. No one can take it away from you now.

 

[JayDubya]

I hereby claim victory in the abortion debate, as no one has refuted my statement.

Victory tastes so fucking sweet.

I thought you had just said you had ended your tinge. I also figured it was about time to wrap it up.

If you want to keep arguing, we could. But your last word was something I already addressed in one of the many pages we've now spent on this today.

 

[3rdman]

I hereby claim victory in the abortion debate, as no one has refuted my statement.

Victory tastes so fucking sweet.

Well, I'm glad that's settled. Let's solve the economy now!

 

[GhaleonEB]

Enough posting the fivethirtyeight pics. Nate's analysis is always more interesting that the results of his statistical simulations.

Let's not equivocate too much here. Over the course of the past several days, there has been a rather dramatic shift in this election toward Barack Obama. Our trendline estimate, which is engineered to be fairly conservative, registers the swing as equaling roughly 4 points over the course of the past week.

Changes of this velocity are unusual outside of the convention periods and the debates, especially in close elections. It took John McCain about 60 days and tens of millions of advertising dollars to whittle Obama's lead down from roughly 5 points at its peak in early June, to the 1-point lead that Obama held heading into the conventions. Obama has swing the numbers that much in barely a week.

Of course, we never really were entirely outside of gravitational field of the conventions, and probably at least half of this bounceback for Obama is merely the more-or-less inevitable consequence of McCain's convention bounce ending. But the fact is that Obama is in a stronger position now than he was immediately before the conventions.

Lots of interesting stuff today, but that's the bottom line - Obama's in better shape than before the veeps or conventions. McCain has reason to worry.

 

[tanod]

Well, I'm glad that's settled. Let's solve the economy now!

Let's outlaw partial-bailout economics.

 

[Hitokage]

Let's outlaw partial-bailout economics.

Naked short selling needs to go too!

 

[besada]

Naked short selling needs to go too!

Hey! I'm going to naked short sell my wife when she gets home. Keep your fiscal policy out of my bedroom!

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

I just want PoliGaf's opinion on this subject:

Do you guys think that by giving the rich tax cuts, they will invest their capital into businesses that create jobs? Is there any proof of this? My opinion is no. It's the government investment that helps create jobs.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Enough posting the fivethirtyeight pics. Nate's analysis is always more interesting that the results of his statistical simulations.



Lots of interesting stuff today, but that's the bottom line - Obama's in better shape than before the veeps or conventions. McCain has reason to worry.

"Obama's Lehman Leap"

I love it.

 

[MoxManiac]

I'm off to masturbate to those pie charts.

 

[besada]

Do you guys think that by giving the rich tax cuts, they will invest their capital into businesses that create jobs?

In China.

 

[tanod]

I just want PoliGaf's opinion on this subject:

Do you guys think that by giving the rich tax cuts, they will invest their capital into businesses that create jobs? Is there any proof of this? My opinion is no. It's the government investment that helps create jobs.

There was a chart with job creation results by President a couple pages ago. Democrats whooped Republicans in job creation.

 

[Hitokage]

Do you guys think that by giving the rich tax cuts, they will invest their capital into businesses that create jobs? Is there any proof of this? My opinion is no. It's the government investment that helps create jobs.

Businesses DO invest in stuff, but it's the basic research and infrastructural investments that reap the biggest and most lasting rewards even if they aren't immediately profitable. Profit-driven investment tends to have diminishing returns.

 

[JayDubya]

I just want PoliGaf's opinion on this subject:

Do you guys think that by giving the rich tax cuts, they will invest their capital into businesses that create jobs? Is there any proof of this? My opinion is no. It's the government investment that helps create jobs.

You know what the consensus will be without asking it.

The obvious problem with using the Reagan admin et. al. as examples of Friedman's brand of economics is this, and it's fairly simple: they're not a very good example, because they spend like hell and they advocate spending like hell, and when they could be vetoing the really expensive shit, they don't.

 

[Hitokage]

I'm off to masturbate to those pie charts.

Here, let me help...

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

In China.

I've read that too. I'm just curious because of the economic crisis and the GOP saying that tax cuts would create jobs just baffles my mind and I would like to see some kind of proof of this.

 

[Blackhead]

I just want PoliGaf's opinion on this subject:

Do you guys think that by giving the rich tax cuts, they will invest their capital into businesses that create jobs? Is there any proof of this? My opinion is no. It's the government investment that helps create jobs.

They speculate.

 

[NullPointer]

Yeah, we can inflate our way out of debt. Who cares about million dollar loans if the average fast-food worker makes that in an hour?

Its OK. Thanks to McCain I've got myself a sweet new $50/hour lettuce picking job.

I don't think I can manage working the entire season though.

 

[GoutPatrol]

I'm off to masturbate to those pie charts.

You mean you already haven't? This is like the third time for me.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

There was a chart with job creation results by President a couple pages ago. Democrats whooped Republicans in job creation.

Thanks for the responses, guys. I had my opinion on the subject. Just wanted to hear more.

 

[Hop]

"Obama's Lehman Leap"

I love it.

And the Rudy Giuliani Memorial Electoral Hall of Shame. (Though it's a bit of a mouthful.)

 

[Mandark]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=health+care+spending+per+capita&btnG=Google+Search Take your pick.

The rule of thumb is that the United States spends about twice as much as the average developed nation with a single payer system.

I've got this great plan, see, that'll reduce that by 200%.

You mean to zero? If so then I wasn't clear.

I'm talking about total spending, private and public added together. Very generally speaking, unregulated private health insurance systems tend to inflate costs.

You can argue that government spending on healthcare is immoral, a violation of property rights, breaks the Constitution in exile, etc. But you can't say it's inefficient.

 

[Ventrue]

Here, let me help...

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

:lol

Perfect.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Go Blu!

Spoiler

Wrong thread. Hi Van!

 

[Manmademan]

Go Blu!

Spoiler

Wrong thread. Hi Van!

Oh God :lol :lol :lol

for a minute I was having flashbacks to a certain other thread

 

[Killthee]

Go Blu!

Spoiler

Wrong thread. Hi Van!

:lol

 

[Macam]

I just want PoliGaf's opinion on this subject:

Do you guys think that by giving the rich tax cuts, they will invest their capital into businesses that create jobs? Is there any proof of this? My opinion is no. It's the government investment that helps create jobs.

The premise is just ridiculous to begin with. It's loaded with false assumptions (besada's "In China"comment points to just one offhand) and tends to overemphasize job growth strictly in a quantitative, rather than a qualitative, manner.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

The premise is just ridiculous to begin with. It's loaded with false assumptions (besada's "In China"comment points to just one offhand) and tends to overemphasize job growth strictly in a quantitative, rather than a qualitative, manner.

Well, I believe in "trickle-up" economics.

But anyway, hearing Sarah Palin say that tax increases will kill jobs is just laughable. Marginal tax rates during the 50s were over 90% and that didn't stop a strong economy.

 

[REV 09]

These are both about a week old, but very good, short reads.

Sarah Palin's Worldview
Dissects Palin's interview with Gibson.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/opinion/13sat1.html?ref=opinion

A Big Regulator for the Little Investor
I just saw Jim Cramer reference this article by William Gruver when a call-in asked about how the current market condition relates to the Glass-Steagal Act and the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/opinion/13gruver.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=william%20r%20gruver&st=cse&oref=slogin

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

Has this "Obama ad" been posted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KY4KlJ8_fQ

Terrible, yet slightly amusing.

 

[demon]

Has this "Obama ad" been posted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KY4KlJ8_fQ

Terrible, yet slightly amusing.

that's not real.



right?

 

[GhaleonEB]

that's not real.



right?

Um, no.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Well, I believe in "trickle-up" economics.

Pft.. so, I put in a hard day's work in the coal mines so that I can buy food and shelter for wife and kids, and you want my hard-earned money given to some poor person who's going to spend it on who-knows-what?

 

[Fragamemnon]

it's a viral video, not from any campaign

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

that's not real.



right?

I'll make a deal. Give me a free Flow-Bee haircut and I'll tell you.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Pft.. so, I put in a hard day's work in the coal mines so that I can buy food and shelter for wife and kids, and you want my hard-earned money given to some poor person who's going to spend it on who-knows-what?

Pfft. Giving huge tax cuts starting from the bottom will allow more consumption, thus creating more demand and those businesses hiring more people to create more goods.

That's called logic.

 

[speculawyer]

I hereby claim victory in the abortion debate, as no one has refuted my statement.

Victory tastes so fucking sweet.

I think you won the UHC debate not the abortion debate.

 

[artredis1980]

LOL is anyone watching Lou Dobbs?


The Obama supporters was asked: 'Why dont we hear specifics? I want specifics on Obama's Plan'

Obama Supporter said : 'His plan has been told to the american people, you can go to his website and check out his 6 point plan'

Host asked: 'but I dont see any specifics, what are the specifics'

Obama supporter said : 'Ok you want specifics, point number 1 (and he goes on point number 1 for 30-45 seconds), then he starts on point 2 and then the HOST cut him off and said Ok we have to go for a break, Thank you for your time


LOL

 

[GhaleonEB]

LOL is anyone watching Lou Dobbs?


The Obama supporters was asked: 'Why dont we hear specifics? I want specifics on Obama's Plan'

Obama Supporter said : 'His plan has been told to the american people, you can go to his website and check out his 6 point plan'

Host asked: 'but I dont see any specifics, what are the specifics'

Obama supporter said : 'Ok you want specifics, point number 1 (and he goes on point number 1 for 30-45 seconds), then he starts on point 2 and then the HOST cut him off and said Ok we have to go for a break, Thank you for your time


LOL

That's the news media in a nutshell. They don't provide a venue for anything other than sound bites.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Just a few minutes ago, I saw a brief segment on Lou Dobbs that basically highlighted all my problems with CNN.

First, they ask Obama's senior economics advisor about why Obama isn't being specific about his economic plan. The advisor says Obama's been very specific. Then she says that just today Obama said he "woudln't comment on specifics." The advisor notes that the comment was referring to the gov't bailout, and the specifics haven't been released to be commented on. Then she reiterates the attack that Obama isn't being specific at all, and asks him to go into detail on Obama's plan. Midway through part two of Obama's six point plan, she cuts him off and says there's no time left.

Both candidates have to put up with this garbage. What a piece of shit network. I guess it's easier and more profitable to recycle the same 10 minutes of news 24 hours a day instead of asking new questions or getting new information.

edit: ah shit, you guys beat me to it. I was watching it during the cool down phase of my jog, and I didn't bother refreshing this page when I came back. Ah well. At least some of us agree that the media's total trash.

 

[Souldriver]

LOL is anyone watching Lou Dobbs?


The Obama supporters was asked: 'Why dont we hear specifics? I want specifics on Obama's Plan'

Obama Supporter said : 'His plan has been told to the american people, you can go to his website and check out his 6 point plan'

Host asked: 'but I dont see any specifics, what are the specifics'

Obama supporter said : 'Ok you want specifics, point number 1 (and he goes on point number 1 for 30-45 seconds), then he starts on point 2 and then the HOST cut him off and said Ok we have to go for a break, Thank you for your time


LOL

:lol
Unbelievable.

 

[Cloudy]

A scary quote I just read..

The US Dollar is now the world's first currency backed by home mortgages!

 

[thekad]

LOL is anyone watching Lou Dobbs?


The Obama supporters was asked: 'Why dont we hear specifics? I want specifics on Obama's Plan'

Obama Supporter said : 'His plan has been told to the american people, you can go to his website and check out his 6 point plan'

Host asked: 'but I dont see any specifics, what are the specifics'

Obama supporter said : 'Ok you want specifics, point number 1 (and he goes on point number 1 for 30-45 seconds), then he starts on point 2 and then the HOST cut him off and said Ok we have to go for a break, Thank you for your time


LOL

I've been saying that the "empty suit" narrative will never go away. Thanks Hillary!

 

[Steve Youngblood]

A scary quote I just read..

Why is that scary? Mortgages are a fairly safe investment. If they go bad, you still have the house to fall back on.