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Hootie

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What's the deal with Minnesota (and Wisconsin, to a lesser extent)? I always thought them to be fairly safe Obama states, yet the past few weeks polls in both states have been too close for comfort.
 
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Ether_Snake

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Geez guys use a dictionary:

fascism: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

socialism: a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
 
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Clevinger

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Fatalah said:
We never see McCain's full family walking around like Palin's. I don't like that he's hiding the fact that he's actually got a diverse family.

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Uh, do you realize why he does? Because last time some piece of shit (Rove/Bush) used them in a smear.

Never mind the fact that he's now buddying up with the same guys who did that, but if I were that girl I sure as shit wouldn't want to be in the public spotlight.
 
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scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
I've always understood fascism to be an elevation of the State above all else, including any and all personal/individual freedom. It's composition is militaristic, dictated by central planning and virulent nationalism, but it's not like the parts individually define the whole.
 
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HylianTom

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Hootie said:
What's the deal with Minnesota (and Wisconsin, to a lesser extent)? I always thought them to be fairly safe Obama states, yet the past few weeks polls in both states have been too close for comfort.
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They tease the Republicans every four years, and every four years they go blue. I'm not too concerned about 'em.
 
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Blackhead

Redarse
scorcho said:
I've always understood fascism to be an elevation of the State above all else, including any and all personal/individual freedom. It's composition is militaristic, dictated by central planning and virulent nationalism, but it's not like the parts individually define the whole.
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And that doesn't sound like the Bush administration to you?
 
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speculawyer

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Maxwell House said:
http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2008...ten-palins.html

Good lord, this woman is fucking psychotic. Good job picking her McCain.
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The really scary thing is that one of the reasons she is so popular with so many people is precisely due to those religious fundamentalist views.

I really don't give a crap what anyone thinks in their own personal religious view. It's not like I have a clue as to how this universe got here. However, I just wish people would keep their personal religious views away from politics where pragmatic, practical, logic, science, and reason are needed to solve problems. Please, no more 'faith based' policies . . . they do not work.
 
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speculawyer

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Hootie said:
What's the deal with Minnesota (and Wisconsin, to a lesser extent)? I always thought them to be fairly safe Obama states, yet the past few weeks polls in both states have been too close for comfort.
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I'm pretty confident that Minnesota will remain blue. They haven't voted GOP since Nixon and I believe they are the only state that can say that.

Granted, they have been turning a bit purple, I think the blue shade dominates.
 
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WickedAngel

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speculawyer said:
The really scary thing is that one of the reasons she is so popular with so many people is precisely due to those religious fundamentalist views.

I really don't give a crap what anyone thinks in their own personal religious view. It's not like I have a clue as to how this universe got here. However, I just wish people would keep their personal religious views away from politics where pragmatic, practical, logic, science, and reason are needed to solve problems. Please, no more 'faith based' policies . . . they do not work.
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Perhaps they work in mysterious ways.




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By mysterious ways, I mean they fail.
 
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Hellsing321

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HylianTom said:
They tease the Republicans every four years, and every four years they go blue. I'm not too concerned about 'em.
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Yeah, we just do it for the media attention. Election time is about the only time anybody gives a damn about us.
 
MaddenNFL64

MaddenNFL64

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Wisconson went red in '04. Obama's Wisconson team need to hand out cheese & sausage gift baskets. Oh, and act like Packers fans. That'll get 'em.

edit: oh they went blue. whatever. My plan still works.
 
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The Librarian

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Hootie said:
What's the deal with Minnesota (and Wisconsin, to a lesser extent)? I always thought them to be fairly safe Obama states, yet the past few weeks polls in both states have been too close for comfort.
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Change your avatar back.

Anyway, I've been hearing about this 700 billion dollar bailout that is being debated in Congress at the moment, and I have to ask: What is this 700 billion dollar bailout suppose to do? What are the advantages/disadvantages to it? I just heard on MSNBC that, if passed, it will affect Obama's tax cuts for the middle class if we get hardly any of it back; is that true?
 
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HylianTom

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MaddenNFL64 said:
Wisconson went red in '04. Obama's Wisconson team need to hand out cheese & sausage gift baskets. Oh, and act like Packers fans. That'll get 'em.
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Yes. And brag about how great it is to be there at "Lambert Field!" :lol
 
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Blackhead

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Branduil said:
What's the difference between fascism and socialism?

Lipstick.

I have no idea what that means.
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Branduil said:
Fascism is all about trains and making them run on time. In socialism the trains are all free but they're always late.
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:lol Didn't know you were occasionally amusing. You were the only person on my ignore list so it's good to take you off.
 
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Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Branduil said:
Fascism is all about trains and making them run on time. In socialism the trains are all free but they're always late.
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Capitalism is about trains running on cash as fuel.

Communism is about everyone pushing the train together.

Terrorism is about blowing the train up.
 
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Branduil

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Hitokage said:
Capitalism is about trains running on cash as fuel.

Communism is about everyone pushing the train together.

Terrorism is about blowing the train up.
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In democracy, everybody gets to drive the train.

In theocracy, the pope drives the train. Heretics are tied to the tracks and run over.

In feudalism, you can't ride on the train unless you own land and the king says you can.

In Soviet Russian, the train rides on you.
 
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Extollere

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Branduil said:
In democracy, everybody gets to drive the train.

In theocracy, the pope drives the train. Heretics are tied to the tracks and run over.

In feudalism, you can't ride on the train unless you own land and the king says you can.

In Soviet Russian, the train rides on you.
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so good :lol
 
The Chosen One

The Chosen One

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Not surprisingly Georgia's President gave very positive impressions about Palin to Brian Williams.

I guess that was the McCain campaign's original plan. Just have photos-only from the press corp then have a few leaders report back and say how wonderful Palin is.
 
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Hitokage

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In a representative democracy, people vote on who will ride the train instead of them.

In a parliamentary system, crew work hard all their lives to be able to run the engine but somebody else always gets the credit.
 
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Branduil

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In an Italian democracy, everybody yells a lot about how they should be allowed to ride the train for free but no one else should. Eventually they all get tired and sit down for a meal of pasta together.

In Mexican democracy, people would rather ride on the American trains.

In North Korean communism, the people ask "Trains? What are those?"
 
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Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
In Japanese government, people aren't interested in who runs the train because that's somebody else's problem and don't want to be told about the people run over some years ago either.
 
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mj1108

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speculawyer said:
The really scary thing is that one of the reasons she is so popular with so many people is precisely due to those religious fundamentalist views.

I really don't give a crap what anyone thinks in their own personal religious view. It's not like I have a clue as to how this universe got here. However, I just wish people would keep their personal religious views away from politics where pragmatic, practical, logic, science, and reason are needed to solve problems. Please, no more 'faith based' policies . . . they do not work.
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It seems like that's why so many Republicans are voting for the McCain/Palin ticket... it's all on faith, nothing on policy.

Then they wonder why everything is so screwed up.
 
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Artie

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MaddenNFL64 said:
Wisconson went red in '04. Obama's Wisconson team need to hand out cheese & sausage gift baskets. Oh, and act like Packers fans. That'll get 'em.

edit: oh they went blue. whatever. My plan still works.
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Uhhhh, no we didn't.

Also, I know you're being facetious but don't characterize all of Wisconsin like a bunch of hicks please :lol.


I would like an Aaron Rodgers jersey, however....Obama?
 
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Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
In Conservatism, people may wonder why the train isn't going anywhere but they sure as hell don't want to let Liberals get the train moving to Des Moines.
 
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ronito

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In libertopian democracy if the train need to move the market will have to move it. It also runs over several poor people every mile per matter of course.
 
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jamesinclair

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ChoklitReign said:
There's a new Obama ad attacking McCain on his energy record. He did one good thing that was listed as bad: he voted against ethanol farming, which any scientist will tell you is contributing to the extinction of the Amazon rain forest. Wake up, Obama!
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False.

Sugar doesnt grow in rainforest land, soy and cows do.
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Artie said:
Uhhhh, no we didn't.

Also, I know you're being facetious but don't characterize all of Wisconsin like a bunch of hicks please :lol.


I would like an Aaron Rodgers jersey, however....Obama?
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I want an Aaron Rodgers jersey too... but Im Texas.. no one even wants to buy my vote :(
 
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Branduil

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In Chinese communism, each family is only allowed to have one ticket. But they'll make an exception if you're an Olympian.

In American Liberalism, if you don't have a ticket, it's because of a conspiracy of circumstance, socio-economic status, and white oppression and we need to give you a hug.
 
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Branduil

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In Bill Clinton democracy, he did not have sexual relations on that train. But he did.

In Bush democracy, nobody knows where the train is.
 
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ronito

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In evangelical democracy everyone can ride the train, so long as they're white and christian.

In Utahan politics the train barely runs, but everyone thinks God is driving it and are greatful.

In California the train takes you to the choppah!
 
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Hootie

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Dax01 said:
Unacceptable.
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Just like your skills at Civilization Revolution amirite

Also, to make it look like I'm not wasting space:

FiveThirtyEight said:
Road to 270: Iowa
Today our Road to 270 series continues with the Hawkeye State, Iowa.

A FIELD OF DREAMS and a classic Midwest battleground, Iowa is not easily categorizable in our demographic data. It's also a state that tends to know presidential candidates very well due to its critical early caucus, though not always. Bill Clinton essentially skipped the state in 1992 because home-stater Tom Harkin (up for a shoo-in Senate re-election this year) was sure to win it. Perhaps because candidates tend to work the state so hard, or perhaps because Iowans take extra pride in their civic responsibilities, the state ranks high in voter turnout.

Other than its very high senior population, with nearly 20% over 65 years old, and its high share of manufacturing jobs, Iowa sits squarely in the median of most American states on most other categories we track. In religious categories, for example, it has a nearly median white evangelical vote, a median Catholic vote share, and a median Mormon/LDS share. Education, "American" ancestry, and the Likert score for liberal-conservative rating sits squarely in the median as well. Iowa is a classic battleground.

What McCain Has Going For Him

John McCain can be happy that Iowa, which gave its Democratic caucus vote in 2004 to John Kerry, went on to prefer George Bush by less than 1%. Bush won Iowa's seven electoral votes. However, McCain didn't fare well in the Iowa caucus, finishing a distant third behind Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney with 13% of the vote. His politically gutsy opposition to corn ethanol didn't win him many admirers in Iowa, and this is probably one reason McCain is struggling to stay in contention here for the general election. It's likely a huge factor in McCain's terrible per capita fundraising numbers here (3d worst).

On the other hand, it's likely the pick of Sarah Palin has helped McCain consolidate his Republican base here. Since Mike Huckabee's religious conservatism played well enough for him to beat Romney's massive money operation, we know that Iowa Republicans are, in their base, the type of voters who we've seen drawn to Palin's candidacy. Still, McCain has an uphill climb in Iowa.

What Obama Has Going For Him

Barack Obama has a huge head start in Iowa for the general election based on the long retail politics campaign he ran during the caucus season. Voters know him in the state. The grassroots volunteer organizations simply came over intact for the general election and were up and running full bore from the getgo. McCain has had to build his from scratch.

As has been widely discussed, this is one of those states where Obama may have a reverse Bradley effect going on, if such an effect still exists. Nate projects that 56.9% of undecideds in Iowa will break for Obama.

Recent polling of the state point to Iowa being the Democratic Party's safest pickup from 2004, as multiple polls show Barack Obama with double digit leads. Five Thirty Eight currently projects Obama outside the Penumbra Zone here, at 10.5%, though as a red state in 2004 it can't be taken for granted. We'll somehow be there tomorrow night and Thursday morning, and we'll check whether McCain is seriously contending the state, or has pulled his resources out.

What To Watch For

The first thing to watch for is if and when McCain essentially concedes the state. It seems at this point that he's more likely to pick off Minnesota than hold Iowa. Barack Obama is not taking Iowa for granted, as Kerry States + Iowa is usually the starting point for plotting out a winning Democratic map. If you see either candidate scheduling visits this late in the campaign, it indicates their internal polling is telling them the state may be in play. If not, it's a tell that both know which way the 7 EVs will blow.

Another thing to look for in Iowa is the House races. In the rising-tide-lifts-all-boats sense, if 2008 is another downballot wave year, look for the longshot 4th and 5th CDs. Iowa Dems pulled off one of their most stunning upsets at the House level in 2006 when Dave Loebsack picked off moderate Republican (and Denver convention speaker) incumbent Rep. Jim Leach. The governor's seat is next up in 2010.
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