BenjaminBirdie
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artredis1980 said:
Jesus. He was president for eight years, dude. He's not Debbie Wasserman Schultz. He can talk about what he wants.
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Jesus. He was president for eight years, dude. He's not Debbie Wasserman Schultz. He can talk about what he wants.
Gary Whitta
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PhoenixDark
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artredis1980 said:
The First Dude Abides
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Incognito said:
what are the numbers after they find out he is also black?
what about the numbers after they find out he isnt actually black, but arab?
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
artredis1980 said:
seriously. stop.
AndresON777
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Zeliard said:
No man, see below
quadriplegicjon said:
theviolenthero
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WE JUST DODGED A HUGE BULLET LAST NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I recorded Larry King Live to see the Ahmadinejad interview and watching it right now Larry asked him: "Which candidate, McCain or Obama would you rather have in the White House?"
Ahmadinejad's answer: "Let the voters decide."
If he would've said Obama that would've been the top story & re-played in commercials.
Also, anyone else find it weird that someone like Ahmadinejad who's been made out to be a person who want's to destroy America can freely come to this country and speak?
Seems odd to me....
I recorded Larry King Live to see the Ahmadinejad interview and watching it right now Larry asked him: "Which candidate, McCain or Obama would you rather have in the White House?"
Ahmadinejad's answer: "Let the voters decide."
If he would've said Obama that would've been the top story & re-played in commercials.
Also, anyone else find it weird that someone like Ahmadinejad who's been made out to be a person who want's to destroy America can freely come to this country and speak?
Seems odd to me....
PhoenixDark
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Incognito said:
I dropped off the money exactly as per... look, man, I've got certain information, all right? Certain things have come to light. And, you know, has it ever occurred to you, that, instead of, uh, you know, running around, uh, uh, blaming me, you know, given the nature of all this new shit, you know, I-I-I-I... this could be a-a-a-a lot more, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, complex, I mean, it's not just, it might not be just such a simple... uh, you know?
Gary Whitta
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No. That's what makes America great.theviolenthero said:
The Lamonster
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Anybody see Iran's prez on Larry King last night? He was making a lot of sense until they started talking about Isreal and Jews...:lol
CharlieDigital
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theviolenthero said:
I tend to think that the image of Iran as a war-mongering rogue state is more a creation of the Bush administration than anything else. They're definitely not "good guys", but they're no where nearly as evil as the Bush administration would have you believe with the whole "Axis of Evil" bullshit.
PhoenixDark
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Shumer's $150bil "down payment" plan is gaining support
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13838.html
Quick question: is Paulson's plan as is - ie 700bil, no oversight, etc - going to be voted on (and if it fails then the democrats offer up an alternative plan)? Or is it going to be watered down, possibly with Shumer's proposal, then voted on?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13838.html
Quick question: is Paulson's plan as is - ie 700bil, no oversight, etc - going to be voted on (and if it fails then the democrats offer up an alternative plan)? Or is it going to be watered down, possibly with Shumer's proposal, then voted on?
Xisiqomelir
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WaltJay said:
He was governor of Arkansas. If he can't use "cracker", no one can.
CharlieDigital
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REV 09 said:
LAWLZ
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Incognito said:
God. It's as if the vast nothingness of eternal space resides comfortably in that skull. And even then I don't hate her. I feel sorry for her now at this point, to be honest.
Holy shit it's true! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Fucking SHILL. If this isn't massive political maneuvering, then what the fuck? Eat shit McCain.
If he's not ready to debate on day one, how can he be ready to be president on day one?
Fucking SHILL. If this isn't massive political maneuvering, then what the fuck? Eat shit McCain.
If he's not ready to debate on day one, how can he be ready to be president on day one?
Gary Whitta
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Yeah it's on MSNBC now, he's asking to postpone the debate.
Xisiqomelir
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REV 09 said:
Is there a way for Bams to swing it so they just axe FP entirely? That would be good.
CharlieDigital
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Xisiqomelir said:
I think you guys don't get it. Read the full context of the quote. It's not "cracka" cracker; read it again.
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13489
The American Empire:
Too Big to Fail?
Who gets bailed out and who doesn't
by Justin Raimondo
In reading about the federal bailout of all those financial wheeler-dealer outfits that are supposedly "too big to fail," the layman may be forgiven for failing to comprehend the intricacies of the arcane financial instruments currently backfiring on their whiz-kid inventors. Such exotic creatures as "credit default swaps" may elude the understanding of the hoi polloi, but one thing the man in the street does know: he'll never be "too big to fail," of that he can be sure.
He's just not the Bear-Stearns type, and Congress would never shell out a penny before he loses his savings and his home, which due to the propaganda of Panglossian economics, whereby houses stopped being homes and became investments amount to pretty much the same thing. The paper-pushers of Wall Street made untold trillions out of a policy that was doomed to fail [.pdf] in advance, and whose critics have long predicted would end in precisely the manner our tale of economic woe is unfolding.
The policy of bank credit expansion, which enriches the already wealthy at the expense of the rest of us, has a fatal allure. It induces an initial euphoria, the false promise of permanent prosperity. This Panglossian view is the perfect economic system for an emerging empire, especially one with such inflated pretensions as ours. It is the economics of hubris the same grandiosity that let us imagine we could implant "democracy" in the arid soil of Iraq and make the desert bloom.
After the fall of the Soviet Union, the U.S. bestrode the earth like a colossus, America's stock was rising, and the pride that goeth before a fall imbued our leaders with the illusion that they couldn't fail. The American empire, they thought, is too big to fail. It's the end of history and the rest will just be a mopping-up operation, that will be well worth the costs.
The failed policies that led to our current economic predicament the whole system of central banking and fiat currency are precisely those policies that benefited those who are now demanding to be bailed out. They may have bankrupted the country, but you can be damned sure they aren't going down with the rest of us, no sirree!
This outrageous rip-off is mirrored in the foreign policy realm, where the very same crowd that dragged us waist-deep into the Middle Eastern quicksand are lecturing us from every podium. The neocons who brought us the Iraq war are directing John McCain's campaign, hanging on to power for dear life, shamelessly touting their alleged "success" even as the $3 trillion bill comes in and the people ask "For what?' These are the real dead-enders, the ones who believe that George W. Bush never implemented his self-proclaimed "global democratic revolution," but they will.
The same foreign lobbyists who pushed for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein by U.S. force of arms have now turned their sights on Iran. The same newspaper columnists and professional know-it-alls who imagined that we would have a quick victory in Iraq that it would be a "cakewalk," as one of the more arrogant neocons once put it are still dominating the official discourse with their calls to action on this front and that. Bill Kristol, the little Lenin of the neocons, who made the Iraq war his vocation, was awarded a coveted pulpit on the op-ed page of the New York Times. Other people are demoted for advocating failed policies, but members in good standing of the War Party are promoted. They, too, are too big to fail.
When the bill comes due, American taxpayers and grieving parents and loved ones of the fallen will have to pay, while the authors of our suicidal foreign policy get off scot-free.
The war profiteers aren't just the arms manufacturers, the Halliburtons, and the "private" international security firms who do the empire's dirty work. Key to the War Party are the intellectuals who gain prestige and real power over policymaking and public opinion on the strength of their reputations as paladins of interventionism. In some cases, these two types are embodied in the same people, Richard Perle being the exemplar.
In any event, what's becoming increasingly clear is that the bailout brothers are all members of the same clan: think of them as a Mafia family, with a strict hierarchy of authority and command, albeit an informal one. At the top is the Don, finance capital, which controls the engine and sits at the dashboard pressing buttons according to a pattern: first inflation, then deflation, boom then bust, peace and then war again. But the bailout boys always parachute to safety before disaster envelopes the rest of us. Which is why failure only emboldens them.
Our rulers really do believe their empire is too big to fail, but of all the would-be lords of creation, our own ruling elite may have the shortest reign and the hardest fall. The engine that runs the machinery of imperialism is breaking down at key junctures, and the whole structure is teetering and creaking ominously, as if to presage the coming implosion.
For the truth of the matter is that the very bigness of the American Imperium, the sheer scope of its rulers' ambition, is precisely what is fated to bring about its downfall, and a very messy and painful descent it will surely be. As I relate in Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement, during Rose Wilder Lane's eye-opening trip to the Soviet Union in the 1920s she met a Russian peasant who predicted, with perfect accuracy, the fate of the commissars some 70 years later:
"'It's too big,' he said. 'Too big. At the top, it is too small. It will not work. In Moscow, there are only men, and man is not God. A man has only a man's head, and one hundred heads together do not make one great head. No. Only God can know Russia.'"
The problem is that some men think they are gods. In the end, however, we will all pay the price for their hubris the guilty as well as the innocent as the American empire meets the fate of its Soviet predecessor, and for the same reason.
~ Justin Raimondo
The American Empire:
Too Big to Fail?
Who gets bailed out and who doesn't
by Justin Raimondo
In reading about the federal bailout of all those financial wheeler-dealer outfits that are supposedly "too big to fail," the layman may be forgiven for failing to comprehend the intricacies of the arcane financial instruments currently backfiring on their whiz-kid inventors. Such exotic creatures as "credit default swaps" may elude the understanding of the hoi polloi, but one thing the man in the street does know: he'll never be "too big to fail," of that he can be sure.
He's just not the Bear-Stearns type, and Congress would never shell out a penny before he loses his savings and his home, which due to the propaganda of Panglossian economics, whereby houses stopped being homes and became investments amount to pretty much the same thing. The paper-pushers of Wall Street made untold trillions out of a policy that was doomed to fail [.pdf] in advance, and whose critics have long predicted would end in precisely the manner our tale of economic woe is unfolding.
The policy of bank credit expansion, which enriches the already wealthy at the expense of the rest of us, has a fatal allure. It induces an initial euphoria, the false promise of permanent prosperity. This Panglossian view is the perfect economic system for an emerging empire, especially one with such inflated pretensions as ours. It is the economics of hubris the same grandiosity that let us imagine we could implant "democracy" in the arid soil of Iraq and make the desert bloom.
After the fall of the Soviet Union, the U.S. bestrode the earth like a colossus, America's stock was rising, and the pride that goeth before a fall imbued our leaders with the illusion that they couldn't fail. The American empire, they thought, is too big to fail. It's the end of history and the rest will just be a mopping-up operation, that will be well worth the costs.
The failed policies that led to our current economic predicament the whole system of central banking and fiat currency are precisely those policies that benefited those who are now demanding to be bailed out. They may have bankrupted the country, but you can be damned sure they aren't going down with the rest of us, no sirree!
This outrageous rip-off is mirrored in the foreign policy realm, where the very same crowd that dragged us waist-deep into the Middle Eastern quicksand are lecturing us from every podium. The neocons who brought us the Iraq war are directing John McCain's campaign, hanging on to power for dear life, shamelessly touting their alleged "success" even as the $3 trillion bill comes in and the people ask "For what?' These are the real dead-enders, the ones who believe that George W. Bush never implemented his self-proclaimed "global democratic revolution," but they will.
The same foreign lobbyists who pushed for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein by U.S. force of arms have now turned their sights on Iran. The same newspaper columnists and professional know-it-alls who imagined that we would have a quick victory in Iraq that it would be a "cakewalk," as one of the more arrogant neocons once put it are still dominating the official discourse with their calls to action on this front and that. Bill Kristol, the little Lenin of the neocons, who made the Iraq war his vocation, was awarded a coveted pulpit on the op-ed page of the New York Times. Other people are demoted for advocating failed policies, but members in good standing of the War Party are promoted. They, too, are too big to fail.
When the bill comes due, American taxpayers and grieving parents and loved ones of the fallen will have to pay, while the authors of our suicidal foreign policy get off scot-free.
The war profiteers aren't just the arms manufacturers, the Halliburtons, and the "private" international security firms who do the empire's dirty work. Key to the War Party are the intellectuals who gain prestige and real power over policymaking and public opinion on the strength of their reputations as paladins of interventionism. In some cases, these two types are embodied in the same people, Richard Perle being the exemplar.
In any event, what's becoming increasingly clear is that the bailout brothers are all members of the same clan: think of them as a Mafia family, with a strict hierarchy of authority and command, albeit an informal one. At the top is the Don, finance capital, which controls the engine and sits at the dashboard pressing buttons according to a pattern: first inflation, then deflation, boom then bust, peace and then war again. But the bailout boys always parachute to safety before disaster envelopes the rest of us. Which is why failure only emboldens them.
Our rulers really do believe their empire is too big to fail, but of all the would-be lords of creation, our own ruling elite may have the shortest reign and the hardest fall. The engine that runs the machinery of imperialism is breaking down at key junctures, and the whole structure is teetering and creaking ominously, as if to presage the coming implosion.
For the truth of the matter is that the very bigness of the American Imperium, the sheer scope of its rulers' ambition, is precisely what is fated to bring about its downfall, and a very messy and painful descent it will surely be. As I relate in Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement, during Rose Wilder Lane's eye-opening trip to the Soviet Union in the 1920s she met a Russian peasant who predicted, with perfect accuracy, the fate of the commissars some 70 years later:
"'It's too big,' he said. 'Too big. At the top, it is too small. It will not work. In Moscow, there are only men, and man is not God. A man has only a man's head, and one hundred heads together do not make one great head. No. Only God can know Russia.'"
The problem is that some men think they are gods. In the end, however, we will all pay the price for their hubris the guilty as well as the innocent as the American empire meets the fate of its Soviet predecessor, and for the same reason.
~ Justin Raimondo
Learn2read
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:lol :lolREV 09 said:
PhoenixDark
Banned
King of empty gestures and band-aid solutions :lol
His de-regulating ass is part of the reason we're in this mess, so what better way to save face than make yourself invulnerable from attacks while working to "fix the problem as an American first, politician second"
His de-regulating ass is part of the reason we're in this mess, so what better way to save face than make yourself invulnerable from attacks while working to "fix the problem as an American first, politician second"
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Wow.
I really don't think this is going to work like he wants it to. Although I said the same thing about Palin.
I really don't think this is going to work like he wants it to. Although I said the same thing about Palin.
Gary Whitta
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This is a chess move but not a particularly dumb one.
RubxQub
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This move is total bullshit. It infuriates me because it puts Barack in an indefensible position.
Still have the debate: "The Senator from Illinois is putting politics before country."
Don't have the debate: "Senator McCain was putting country first, something the Senator for Illinois should have done. Clearly his own personal vendetta to attain the highest office in America comes before the country's deepest crisis."
Still have the debate: "The Senator from Illinois is putting politics before country."
Don't have the debate: "Senator McCain was putting country first, something the Senator for Illinois should have done. Clearly his own personal vendetta to attain the highest office in America comes before the country's deepest crisis."
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