TheClimaxan
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domokunrox said:
If I had a dollar for every dumb ass Obama e-mail forward my student loans would be paid off.
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PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP)
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If I had a dollar for every dumb ass Obama e-mail forward my student loans would be paid off.
The Librarian
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JayDubya said:
True, but I'm just saying it wouldn't hurt him by paying higher taxes as much at it would help the lower/middle class.
Door2Dawn said:
Same singer, different .gifs.
Vinzer Deling said:
You are already rewarded for your success by how much you make. Simply put though, someone has to pay, and you're simply more able to afford it; it's less opportunity cost for you, and 'less taxing' for you to pay more taxes.
If you disagree with the increase in taxes for the wealthy, then you can move to another country and try to find success where the taxes for the wealthy aren't as steep.
One of the most impressive bits of subversion by the wealthy, that 5-10% of the country have managed to convince 90-95% of the rest that it's in their best interest for them to pay more of their less, than it is for the wealthy to pay more of the more they have.
Of course, there's a limit to how much tax the rich can bear... but you'll find it to be suprisingly elastic, like the price of oil.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
domokunrox said:
John McCain actually fought for the Iraqi Army in the first Gulf War, personally overseeing the capture and torture of Americans, so I don't see why your wife would favour him over Obama, who just wants to change the national anthem.
Also, why is your wife a terrorist?
Deus Ex Machina
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Kristol: Bush might bomb Iran if he 'thinks Senator Obamas going to win
On Fox News Sunday this morning, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said that President Bush is more likely to attack Iran if he believes Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) is going to be elected.
Interview on Fox Link: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/22/kristol-bush-iran/
On Fox News Sunday this morning, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said that President Bush is more likely to attack Iran if he believes Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) is going to be elected.
Interview on Fox Link: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/22/kristol-bush-iran/
mckmas8808
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domokunrox said:
I have a hard time believing Obama said this.
The government.Vinzer Deling said:
Also: http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm?cnn=yes
TheClimaxan
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Deus Ex Machina said:
This would change my opinion that Bush "might" be the anti-christ, to Bush "is" the anti-christ.
Gaborn said:
If you could power a nation on just hopes and dreams, I'm sure the government would be happy to cut everyone's taxes to get more hopes and dreams to power the economy.
In the mean time though, utility theory is a good way of figuring out tax rates; you should be rewarded for working harder, but at the same time, the work you put in for your hundred thousandth dollar is less critical to your needs (or even utility), then the work that someone else has put in for their ten thousandth.
Otherwise what would you suggest? Getting everyone in the future to pay off your benefits now? Well, they've tried that for the last 8 years, and the world economies have lost a lot of confidence in America as a result.
Vinzer Deling
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Amir0x said:
So I'm not entitled to the fruits of MY labor?
mckmas8808 said:
According to Politifact he didn't, someone named John Semmens did.
Zaptruder - I suggest a massive scaledown in the size of government at every level, both domestically and overseas. Pull back and get rid of the national debt, shrink government as much as possible, cut taxes and cut spending. Let people opt out of social security (as well as raise the retirement age by ten years so its more in line with FDR's original vision of getting the money to enjoy the last few years of your life).
This is awesome.Deus Ex Machina said:
You see this beautiful Persian country?
Wouldn't it be a shame of someone just happen to bomb it?
Yeah, a great shame, I would hate to see it happen.
But my friend here W is crazy, you don't want make him angry.
Why would you piss him by voting for that secret Muslim?
Think about the Iranians
Vinzer Deling
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Door2Dawn said:
under threat of imprisonment.
Vinzer Deling said:
That's right, you're entitled to the fruits of your labor!
SHIT, wait, you're telling me the government is TAKING MONEY OUT OF YOUR CHECK EVEN NOW!?
How dare they think they can take money out of my checks, for all the hard work I've done!
Highlight the following for spiritual enlightenment:
you're absolutely entitled to the fruits of your labor. Receiving one less fruit out of your bountiful tree of endless juicy sweetness is not going to hurt your bitter soul one bit.
The Librarian
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Whoa. Holy shit.Deus Ex Machina said:
Has anyone ever heard of snopes?
That anthem quote is blatantly false and was originally posted on the site of "The Arizona Conservative."
Please email the person who sent that email a nasty worm. Label it "Barack and Michele Obama's flag stomping whitey rant at Hezbollah mosque" and they would be sure to open it.
That anthem quote is blatantly false and was originally posted on the site of "The Arizona Conservative."
Please email the person who sent that email a nasty worm. Label it "Barack and Michele Obama's flag stomping whitey rant at Hezbollah mosque" and they would be sure to open it.
Amir0x said:
His point though is it's perfectly "fair" (maybe not right, but fair) to take the same percentage of the "Fruits of his labor" as it were as people with less, so if you have, to continue the analogy 10 apples, and the government takes one, and if you have 100 the government takes ten, that's fair. But why be forced to give the government 15? or 20? or 40? You worked hard to produce that many, you worked hard, you worked overtime, and you get penalized for doing so? That's the part that isn't right.
domokunrox
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I just brought up the e-mail to inform you guys whats circulating out there.
Also, to make sure he didn't say that. I believe you guys, believe it or not. I just needed someone to confirm to me that its bullshit, because I had a hard time believing that he said that as well.
Also, to make sure he didn't say that. I believe you guys, believe it or not. I just needed someone to confirm to me that its bullshit, because I had a hard time believing that he said that as well.
mckmas8808
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Deus Ex Machina said:
This is sooo dumb that I think Bush might actually do it. But what's the advantage? Couldn't it back fire on the republicans? Wouldn't Bush know that, that would increase the price of oil around the world and gas in America?
Would he attack Iran so that Obama could be a clear winner?
Vinzer Deling said:
Except the wealthy are more likely to make their income from investments which is taxed at a lower rate and take advantage of tax loopholes. So their income tax rate has to be higher to give some sense of parity with people who cant take advantage of such things due to lack of income.
Warren Buffets income tax rate is much much higher than his assistant, yet he pays a lower % of his income in taxes than she does.
GrotesqueBeauty
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Probably because he didn't:mckmas8808 said:
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_say_the_national_anthem_conveys.html
Maybe the poster whose wife was angered by the quote should direct some of her ire at the sort of people who promote this bullshit.
WickedAngel
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mckmas8808 said:
The advantage is that he'll create so big of a mess that Obama can't possibly clean it up in 4 years. When the next election comes around, they'll be able to say that he didn't make nearly as much change as he said he was going to.
domokunrox
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mckmas8808 said:
Actually, that wouldn't surprise me. If Bush could find any reason to attack Iran, he'll do it. Attacking Israel is pretty much an instant war with anyone in the middle east. Rightfully so, though.
GrotesqueBeauty
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I love this blind faith in capitalism, as if income is truly distributed in proportion to who works hardest or is most deserving.Gaborn said:
:lol
mckmas8808
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WickedAngel said:
But couldn't he just ask for 4 more years to clean up Bush's mess? I mean Afghanistan, Iraq, then Iran? How and who expects Obama to fix all of that in 4 years?
GrotesqueBeauty said:
Well, it's hard to quantify "most deserving," by what standard after all? I think someone who volunteers hundreds of hours a year helping the blind, driving a book mobile, helping at a soup kitchen, etc is doing something incredibly important and deserves a big thanks, but they're obviously not getting paid for that. Still though, to get large sums of money like we're talking about and to earn it every year you're ultimately soaking them with a higher tax rate because that's the money they make from other people. Money doesn't come from nowhere, it comes generally from your interaction with other people, you're providing a more valuable good or a service because it is more popular.
Not exactly a difficult concept for most people.
Vinzer Deling
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look at all the college student socialist fucks talking about being poor. You fucks haven't worked a hard day's work in your entire lives. :lol
WickedAngel
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mckmas8808 said:
A lot of people are deluding themselves into thinking that change is going to come immediately after the election and they're in for a rude awakening. Most people don't understand that the kinds of changes that Obama is suggesting are going to take time. The deficit, the economy, health care, the energy problem, the inflation, Iraq...that's a lot to get done in four years and you can bet your ass that coming up short of any of that will result in "I TOLD YOU SO!" from the right, regardless of whether or not they're logically sound arguments to make.
Vinzer Deling said:
Tell us what you do and we'll see if it's comparable to picking cotton/tobacco and bailing hay in 95+ heat with 90+% humidity.
Vinzer Deling said:
whoa whoa whoa, I think you're about to take the rhetoric one step too far into insulting territory. We welcome opposing viewpoints, but if you're going to generalize all of us in one way or another - specifically to imply we're all somehow hippie socialists who have never done a days hard labor - you're gonna banned.
Only warning.
GrotesqueBeauty
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And you're the brilliantly pragmatic post graduate who got their humble start washing dishes inbetween 13 hour shifts in an unsafe coalmine, am I right?Vinzer Deling said:
This is such an easy game to play, let's do it again sometime!
Instigator
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gkrykewy said:
Only Vinzer Deling worked hard in college after all.
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scorcho said:
I always thought that they ended up in a spam folder
FitzOfRage
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Vinzer Deling said:
Honestly, I think there is a growing sense among even those that benefit most from the tax cuts that our system is broken right now.
Because you are being penalized already. There are millions of people on the brink of ruin. And forget the moral side of whether anyone should care, the fact is regardless, you pay for their collective misfortunes. It 's hitting the value of your home, and affects the strength of our currency (which contributes to inflation across the board).
A slight shift in the tax burden might mean a downgraded home theater system for you, and could make the difference in someone else getting evicted.
There is an upside for you if you can help prevent the lower class from being completely ground into dust. Again, forgetting the moral side, there's a lot more money to be made in that scenario, even if it's taxed at a higher rate.
So trying to put the country's economic policy more in line with what we had in the 90's (which is what Obama has proposed) certainly has a lot of appeal even among the wealthy.
mckmas8808
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Zaptruder said:
This is something that libertarins and some republicans have to remember. Those roads you drive on have to get paid by somebody.
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