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PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP)
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vas_a_morir said:
Yes - and what do all those people drive? That's right. Trucks and SUVs, almost exclusively. All those retarded SUV drivers are going to vote with their wallets this year - and if they blame Bush for gas prices - and they might - then prepare for an auto-driven landslide.
Finally, the IQ of red states will come home to roost.
polyh3dron
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With the GOP's FUD ads they're gonna be pushing, I have a feeling economics won't matter for a large amount of those voters. It'll be about how McCain was caught and tortured by the VC, and how this makes him fit to be our commander-in-chief, and how Obama never served in the military and therefore he's a pussy and wants to have secret meetings with our enemies to make plans to destroy America due to the fact that he is a secret Muslim.reilo said:
That map really doesn't make sense:reilo said:
Nevada is likely McCain?
Obama is more likely to win Colorado than New Mexico?
Michigan is leaning McCain, and LOlhio is leaning Obama?
Indiana is a tossup?
North Carolina is safer for McCain than South Carolina?
Georgia is a lock for McCain?
New Hampshire is a likely win for Obama?
All of these things make me question that map.
Frank the Great
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the disgruntled gamer said:
it's not THAT strange
-obama has a shot at nevada but it has been red for a very long time
-yes, obama is stronger in CO than NM, been like that for a while
-i don't get this one. indiana should be pretty red
-doesn't SC have a much higher black population?
-the poll doesn't taken babar into account
-NH voted kerry so why not
the only "wtf" i get from that map is indiana
worldrunover
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I still say paying attention to all this polling data is doing a disservice to President Kerry.
Learn2read
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Saw this around:
if mccain keeps on giving speeches in front of green backgrounds, Ive going to have to keep chroma-keying his pasty white ass into pornos
Hellsing321
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:lol Can't wait.Tamanon said:
grandjedi6
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No they aren't, and it is entirely too soon to be paying attention to such thingsCheebs said:
Incognito said:
:lol
The Crimson Kid
what are you waiting for
thekad said:
I've seen Hannity do a couple of months ago while I was flipping channels.
"No, just because his pastor believes something doesn't mean Obama believes it. But what if he does?"
However, I don't think that tactic will really do much. Unlike the Swift Boat of John Kerry, this isn't exactly a new revelation. It'll be old hat come November. Also, the people that would believe this crap weren't going to vote Obama in the first place.
Frank the Great
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Y2Kev said:Is this plausible?
that's more than plausible. this is what obama's electoral path to victory looks like. add in VA and OH and it would just be icing on the cake.
grandjedi6
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Gaborn said:
So you finally admit it, you are only voting for Barr because of the (libertarian) label in front of his name. Yet that doesn't really justify your implications that Obama's minor differences on social policies are critical yet Barr somehow does better then him on these issues.
Y2Kev said:Is this plausible?
Very much so
Y2Kev said:Is this plausible?
Mostly, I think it really depends on what Michigan does. I'm not as confident as most of you seem to be that Michigan is automatically going to "forgive" the democrats for their total mishandling of the Primary situation (and yes, I understand, the legislature broke the rules, the party shouldn't be blamed, etc. but I hear a lot of a more emotional response, especially from older voters about it). From the beginning I think people would've better accepted stripping them of half their delegates like the Republicans did, and I REALLY don't think they liked candidates taking themselves off the ballot.
Grandjedi - I'm voting for the party that best represents my values, yes. What I'm saying is that Obama does NOT represent my values and positions, and while Barr isn't there on a lot of issues the PARTY he is representing does. You may not like it but that's how I see things and I don't find it contradictory or some game of "gotcha" that's simply how I view things.
typhonsentra
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Wait, McCain's still contesting Washington/Oregon? :lol
worldrunover
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Y2Kev said:Is this plausible?
What would be better is if NH went red in that map, it would be 269-269 and UTTER CHAOS.
Cheebs said:
Well, the black population is mainly in Detroit, Ypsi, and a few other scattered areas, it's hardly "sizeable" outside of that. Obama IS a fellow midwesterner, but McCain's probably going to have Romney campaigning there for him (favorite son effect), McCain himself is well liked and admired generally here (though I've never understood quite why other than our love of "straight talking" honest people) and people aren't happy with the primary situation (many people have forgiven the Dems or moved on, but I've heard quite a few cries of "every vote should count"). Besides, Hamtramck and the bay city area are hotbeds of white supremacy that probably aren't happy that Obama's running either.
grandjedi6
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Gaborn said:
That is no better then people who blindly vote Democratic or Republican every election
I like how McCain views Maine, Connecticut and Washington as toss up states yet Virginia is solidly Republican. I know the campaign made that map soley to ease donor's concerns but had I been the one looking at it I probably would have ended up even more worriedtyphonsentra said:
grandjedi6 said:
But I'm not doing so blindly. I'm doing so with the full knowledge my candidate cannot win. What I'm calculating is that he will advance the ideology even though he doesn't necessarily buy into everything, especially if he has a major presence in a state or two (if for example Obama wins because Barr swings Georgia or some other state that would be a HUGE victory for Libertarians, even if Barr is not a typical Libertarian or libertarian).
And, by the way, as I already said, I don't blindly vote LP every election, I told you I wouldn't have if Ruwart was the LP nominee for example because I believe she would've been actively and totally detrimental to the party.
Frank the Great
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michigan seems close now, but most polls have a huge number of undecided voters. plus obama never campaigned there, mccain did.
as a traditionally blue state, it will only get more and more blue as they get to know obama...and a ginormous turnout in the cities should make any gains mccain makes everywhere else irrelevant.
as a traditionally blue state, it will only get more and more blue as they get to know obama...and a ginormous turnout in the cities should make any gains mccain makes everywhere else irrelevant.
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grandjedi6 said:
Yeah, Electoral-Vote will become more useful/accurate when we're further down the road, when there are actually three recent (week-old) polls from every state from the reliable pollsters. That kind of polling is too sparse now, which means any recent outlier can shift the map. This was Electoral-Vote's predicition of the 2004 race at the same point in the race... if only.
FiveThirtyEight's methodology (factoring in pollster accuracy and the age of a poll as well as adding its own regression analysis) seems more sound to me.
Frank the Great
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NewLib said:
huh?
colorado+new mexico will give obama victory regardless of the other three states you listed. i don't see where you're coming from.
Francois the Great said:
Actually, no it wont. Well it will, but it have to go to Congress if McCain wins New Hampshire, Nevada, and Ohio. And you guys thought 2000 was bad? Imagine a Democrat Congress deciding between a tie in favor of Obama. FUN!
Democrats have to win two of those 4 states. Republicans have to win 3 of the 4.
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Worse than the electoral college favoring the candidate that lost the popular vote and the whole recount scandal? No way in hell.NewLib said:
There are several other states Dems could pick up from the Repubs besides those you listed, while options are far more limited on the other side.
icarus-daedelus said:
Yes, especially if McCain wins the popular vote. But this is an non-issue until it happens.
Also and what states? Obama isn't winning Virgina or Florida. You can dream happy dreams but there is more of a chance that McCain wins Michigan (aka no chance in hell) than those two.
What other states is there to argue? Kansas?
Frank the Great
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NewLib said:
what are you basing this on?
VI is definitely in play for obama.
Im basing it off the fact that if he does win Virgina, then Virgina still doesnt matter.
Know why? If he wins Virgina, he will definiately win the four states Ive mentioned and probably pick off Kansas and Missouri as well.
Plus he probably have close to a 10 percent margin of victory. Thats how dramatically Democrat Virgina is going to have to switch.
Early Polling does not matter. Michigan and Virgina are not in play unless a landslide victory.
Know why? If he wins Virgina, he will definiately win the four states Ive mentioned and probably pick off Kansas and Missouri as well.
Plus he probably have close to a 10 percent margin of victory. Thats how dramatically Democrat Virgina is going to have to switch.
Early Polling does not matter. Michigan and Virgina are not in play unless a landslide victory.
DrForester
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grandjedi6 said:No they aren't, and it is entirely too soon to be paying attention to such things
:lol
You'd think McCain's own map would put Arizona in the solid republican category. At least for show.
Frank the Great
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NewLib said:
you said nothing in this post. why do you think VI is not in play?
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