And I thought SD was bad...NLB2 said:Yes.
It wouldn't be an issue if he didn't shake so many shady hands. Or attend their churches regularly, or have them as his mentor while growing up, etc.
And I thought SD was bad...NLB2 said:Yes.
It wouldn't be an issue if he didn't shake so many shady hands. Or attend their churches regularly, or have them as his mentor while growing up, etc.
Uh . . . I don't mean to downplay the difficult Iraq war . . . but we lost some 50K soldiers in Vietnam and the other side was funded by a super-power.David Bellavia, founder of Bush suck-up outfit Vets For Freedom, says he "will never attack a Vietnam veteran," but then proceeds to say this about Senator Chuck Hagel:
BELLAVIA: But Sen. Hagel -- we can disagree on a lot of issues -- but Sen. Hagel has never been shot at in Iraq, he's never seen what an IED looks like or been detonated on. This is an individual that could embed himself instead of doing a two-day congressional delegation. Go out there, walk with the troops, see what's going on on the ground.
We sent them over their to depose Saddam from power and secure those (phantom) WMDs. That war was over like 4 years ago. It has been a different war since then. A weird mess of a war battling AQ, Saddam loyalists, Iraqi Nationalists, and Shiia militia. We never sent them to win that fight. And in fact, by his standards we just surrendered since those Nazi-appeasers in the whitehouse agreed to a pull-out deal.Ma'am, I've served over a year and our organization is just stock-full of Purple Heart and Valor Award winners. We've seen the worst of this fight. There's no propaganda here, ma'am. We love America. We want to win the war that our Congress sent us to fight. You don't send Americans -- men and women -- to lose a war, to end a stalemate. You send them to win in a war, and that's what we're trying to do. And you know what? We're closer today than we ever have been.
Shorter Bellavia: The problem with Hagel is that he does not love America, and would prefer we lose wars.
Bellavia went on to add, "Now, again, with Sen. Hagel -- my problem with Sen. Hagel is, again, his experienced is based on what? The Mekong Delta. It's based on Vietnam, a totally different fight, a totally different enemy, and by the way, it was 30 years ago. That doesn't cheapen his service. That doesn't cheapen his expertise. But when it comes down to Iraq, I will take that specialist who's 20 years old from Decorah, Iowa, who served three tours in combat, over anything any member of the House or Senate has to say."
Why didn't you go for the Trifecta and say he is a Muslim too?NLB2 said:Yes.
It wouldn't be an issue if he didn't shake so many shady hands. Or attend their churches regularly, or have them as his mentor while growing up, etc.
siamesedreamer said:Looks like the Ayers relationship is much, much deeper than Obama has led us to believe...WOW.
ViperVisor said:It only took 2 minutes for Glenny Beck to call Obama a socialist today. He also called McCain a "Conservative Socialist."
It's just a step up from him calling Obama a Marxist.
v1cious said:ok would someone tell me what's so horrible about socialism? yeah cause free healthcare would be such a disaster. it's all propaganda. these rich conservative fucks are just trying hard not to part with any more of their money. like they can't afford it.
v1cious said:ok would someone tell me what's so horrible about socialism?
yeah cause free healthcare would be such a disaster.
JayDubya said:It's fundamentally evil?
Oh it's magically free? Awesome. I also want lunch to be free while we're at it. Always.
v1cious said:so the rich pay more taxes. isn't the result worth it?
still fighting the unrealistic fight. Keep it up!JayDubya said:Even were I to value the ends, the means are deplorable. Taxation should be flat.
Oh please. Socialism is as great an idea and as terrible a reality as Libertarianism.JayDubya said:It's fundamentally evil?
the disgruntled gamer said:Oh please. Socialism is as great an idea and as terrible a reality as Libertarianism.
Things are starting to look worse, yes.Askia47 said:The polls for Obama look worse every week! Republican upset?! I hope not.
the disgruntled gamer said:Oh please. Socialism is as great an idea and as terrible a reality as Libertarianism.
yep, just about.JayDubya said:Totally. Collective enslavement and paternalism is definitely in the same league with the notion of leaving people the fuck alone and trusting them to make their own decisions.
Huh? Is this on the news or are you just being paranoidLemonz said:oh yipee, Jeremiah wright coming up...
Socialism means different things in different places. Canada and the UK have policies many Americans would describe as "socialist" in nature, but really... how bad are they? I don't think your life would be awful if you lived in one of those two places.ToyMachine228 said:Yeah. One of those "it sounds good" but it just doesn't work in reality type deals. I think they both could work on a tiny, tiny scale, but generally not as a whole.
like a city in the ocean?ToyMachine228 said:I think they both could work on a tiny, tiny scale, but generally not as a whole.
Pretty much. Even with your slant on it, they still both don't work.JayDubya said:Totally. Collective enslavement and paternalism is definitely in the same league with the notion of leaving people the fuck alone and trusting them to make their own decisions.
the disgruntled gamer said:Pretty much. Even with your slant on it, they still both don't work.
You do realize that there was a time when people were left alone and just sort of wandered around, right? And do you know what happened next? They made governments so they could make progress and actually get shit done effectively.
Meh.GhaleonEB said:
fivethirtyeight has McCain winning in most of their simulations now.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
It might make more sense to wait until the weekend. That way his announcement and McCain's won't be too far apart.Dax01 said:Announce your VP now, Obama.
Tyrone Slothrop said:most of those libertarian-type republicans renege on their rhetoric once they get into office. like the secretary of the treasury. what does he do? bail out the mortgage companies.
Believe me, you said exactly what I would expect you to say. I didn't expect you to let that one pass.JayDubya said:In any event, some guy makes some blanket, "what's wrong with socialism? evil rich people need to be taxed more hurr!" so what do you think I'm gonna say?
Back to the regularly scheduled program?
Diablos said:Socialism means different things in different places. Canada and the UK have policies many Americans would describe as "socialist" in nature, but really... how bad are they? I don't think your life would be awful if you lived in one of those two places.
like a city in the ocean?
JayDubya said:I think the key word there is Republican.
Clevinger said:Oh, hey, an instant message transcript leaked between Sebelius, Biden, Kaine, and Byah:
http://assets.236.com/images/photo2/5009/original/original.jpg
:lol :lol :lol
Tamanon said:Well duh, he's talking about ones that make it into office
Askia47 said:The polls for Obama look worse every week! Republican upset?! I hope not.
Tell that to the millions of Americans who call Canadians and various Europeans Socialst scumbags for having all kinds of special government-run programs for people. As if it is so awful that people can seek more help from the government.ToyMachine228 said:Socialism as a comprehensive form of government is what I am referring to in general. There are elements of socialism in just about every country's form of democracy. Public school in the United States for example. But that doesn't mean it's socialist, or we're socialist, it's just a "social" element.
Diablos said:If he announces now, it'll be perceived as old news by the MSM since McCain will likely be announcing on Monday.
Yo!Diablos said:Tell that to the millions of Americans who call Canadians and various Europeans Socialst scumbags...
Diablos said:Tell that to the millions of Americans who call Canadians and various Europeans Socialst scumbags for having all kinds of special government-run programs for people. As if it is so awful that people can seek more help from the government.
ToyMachine228 said:That's what I said in my original post on this topic. Most Americans associate the word socialism with certain things, not what it actually is by definition.
GhaleonEB said:
fivethirtyeight has McCain winning in most of their simulations now.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
:lolTyrone Slothrop said:too early, too early, too early.
no worries. well. worry a little, maybe.
PhoenixDark said:Early on McCain was the one randomly throwing different punches, hoping for something to stick.
Sad thing is, it's not anything relating to policy that stuck. It was about character, and it's a hypocritical lie, no less.PhoenixDark said:Who would have thought that McCain would be out-schooling Obama's campaign this early. Early on McCain was the one randomly throwing different punches, hoping for something to stick. Now it's Obama, but he seems too dazed to even attempt to defend himself.