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[GhaleonEB]

CNN is trying really hard to kill the opinion that they are too liberal, aren't they?

They've been working hard at that.

http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_08_10_archive.html#8825168044972060308

Building upon its winning coverage of the U.S. presidential campaign and other political contests, CNN has added five more top political reporters and commentators to its deep bench of political contributors and analysts. Each of these respected observers of politics will provide analysis and commentary as CNN continues its political coverage.

The contributors, who will appear across CNN’s numerous platforms in the coming days, include:

· David Brody, senior national correspondent for the Christian Broadcasting Network. A veteran journalist of more than 20 years, Brody writes the political blog, “The Brody File.”

· Alex Castellanos, a Republican strategist and former campaign consultant for Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign. Castellanos is a partner in National Media Inc., a political and corporate consulting firm.

· Dana Milbank, a Washington Post staff writer and author of the thrice-weekly “Washington Sketch” column. A veteran of political coverage, he has also worked for The New Republic and The Wall Street Journal, and his latest book is Homo Politicus: The Strange and Scary Tribes That Run Our Government.

· Hilary Rosen, a Democratic strategist and currently the political director and Washington editor-at-large for HuffingtonPost.com. In a previous role, she was chairman and CEO of the Recording Industry Association of America.

· Tara Wall, deputy editorial page editor and columnist for The Washington Times. Previously, she served as director of the office of public affairs at the Administration for Children and Families, a division of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, and as director of outreach communications for the Republican National Committee.

 

[reilo]

They've been working hard at that.

http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_08_10_archive.html#8825168044972060308

BUT RACHEL MADDOW HAS HER OWN FUCKING SHOW ON MSNBC. The liberals are taking the fuck over.

 

[polyh3dron]

Oh God... the only Dem they add was the FORMER FUCKING CEO OF THE RIAA?

FUCK.

Goodbye, CNN.

 

[GhaleonEB]

BUT RACHEL MADDOW HAS HER OWN FUCKING SHOW ON MSNBC. The liberals are taking the fuck over.

And also, the gays. The gays are taking over.

 

[The Chosen One]

Didn't McCain do poorly in the debates though? I remember Huckabee stealing the spotlight early on.

Yep, McCain was also uneven.

He also has a bad habit of being disrespectful in the debates to opponents he doesn't like (ie. Romney). He comes off a lot less likable.

I don't think the presidential debates will be a cakewalk for either candidate. But if the McCain campaign keeps lowering expectations of Obama, that will work to Obama's advantage. That was my original point.

 

[polyh3dron]

Oh, CNN, the subtle absurdity: "Senator Ted Stevens has been denied to have his trial held in Alaska. Democrats hope to nail the one bad seed in the republican party."

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[Lemonz]

He kind of was involved in that politics in the late 90's though... When he got all his opponets names thrown off the ballots that was fucking cut-throat. Genius, but cut-throat.

What CNN didn't mentioned was that one of his opponents, who was the incumbent, told Obama to run for her seat because she was running for congress, but after she lost, she came back and told Obama "Ah, nevermind, I'm keeping my seat."


Edit: Obama event.

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream1

 

[ViperVisor]

It only took 2 minutes for Glenny Beck to call Obama a socialist today. He also called McCain a "Conservative Socialist."

It's just a step up from him calling Obama a Marxist.

 

[grandjedi6]

Looks like Obama's Saturday Springfield event will be open to the public:

Please join Barack Obama at an event in Springfield, IL, where he'll talk about his vision for bringing America together and creating the kind of change we can believe in.


Barack Obama in Springfield, IL

Old State Capitol
1 Old State Capitol Plaza
Springfield, IL

Saturday, August 23rd
Gates open: 12:00 p.m.

Now if only he would actually tell us the one thing we care about: the VP pick.

 

[Krowley]

Oh God... the only Dem they add was the FORMER FUCKING CEO OF THE RIAA?

FUCK.

Goodbye, CNN.

CNN badly needed some balancing. There is more than enough one sided reporting on Msnbc and Fox.

Also, I find it surprising that anybody in here thinks that Obama, with his knee-jerk doveish tendencies would make a better president than McCain in a new cold war. In an environment like that, I want a Hawk. McCain is plenty moderate enough on domestic issues and would play ball with a democratic congress, regardless of what he says in a campaign.

The area were presidents have real power is foreign policy, and I'm personally very uncomfortable with the idea of a total rookie running our country while the world is in such an uproar.

 

[speculawyer]

Video: McCain's Ten Gigantic Mansions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek3jAkx9m10&eurl=http://gobnf.org/bnf/player.html

Why on Earth would anyone need ten gigantic mansions or even want them? Has he even used all ten of them before? Is there no limit to the man's greed? I like how he pretends to "understand" how Americans are hurting over the mortgage crisis.

The thing that will haunt him is the fact that he told that Warrens pastor guy that you have to make $5 million a year to be considered rich. WTF?!?! Most Americans would dream to make $5 million in their lifetime!

 

[RubxQub]

Tubbs died.

 

[BigBoss]

CNN badly needed some balancing. There is more than enough one sided reporting on Msnbc and Fox.

Also, I find it surprising that anybody in here thinks that Obama, with his knee-jerk doveish tendencies would make a better president than McCain in a new cold war. In an environment like that, I want a Hawk. McCain is plenty moderate enough on domestic issues and would play ball with a democratic congress, regardless of what he says in a campaign.

The area were presidents have real power is foreign policy, and I'm personally very uncomfortable with the idea of a total rookie running our country while the world is in such an uproar.

Because everything has gone so well the last 8 years with a hawk...what we need is another hawk who will apply the same horrendous policies and to further bankrupt this country.

 

[Lv99 Slacker]

Tubbs died.

Damn. That sucks.

 

[librasox]

CNN badly needed some balancing. There is more than enough one sided reporting on Msnbc and Fox.

Also, I find it surprising that anybody in here thinks that Obama, with his knee-jerk doveish tendencies would make a better president than McCain in a new cold war. In an environment like that, I want a Hawk. McCain is plenty moderate enough on domestic issues and would play ball with a democratic congress, regardless of what he says in a campaign.

The area were presidents have real power is foreign policy, and I'm personally very uncomfortable with the idea of a total rookie running our country while the world is in such an uproar.

So you'd rather have us at war with Russia and Iran? K, hope you enjoy the draft (which, by the way, McCain just said he's open to) :lol

 

[Tamanon]

CNN badly needed some balancing. There is more than enough one sided reporting on Msnbc and Fox.

Also, I find it surprising that anybody in here thinks that Obama, with his knee-jerk doveish tendencies would make a better president than McCain in a new cold war. In an environment like that, I want a Hawk. McCain is plenty moderate enough on domestic issues and would play ball with a democratic congress, regardless of what he says in a campaign.

The area were presidents have real power is foreign policy, and I'm personally very uncomfortable with the idea of a total rookie running our country while the world is in such an uproar.

Reagan wasn't a hawk.

 

[Guileless]

In a country where John Edwards STILL gets made fun of for his $400 hair cuts, I find it remarkable how people can overlook McCain's multiple million dollar homes and the fact that he divorced his crippled wife for a rich heiress.

Sen. McCain didn't make 'Two Americas' the centerpiece of his campaign. Everyone would like to marry a hot rich heiress. Being scolded by a guy with a house larger than a big box store pisses tons of people off. Human nature is not remarkable.

 

[SouthernDragon]

CNN badly needed some balancing. There is more than enough one sided reporting on Msnbc and Fox.

Also, I find it surprising that anybody in here thinks that Obama, with his knee-jerk doveish tendencies would make a better president than McCain in a new cold war. In an environment like that, I want a Hawk. McCain is plenty moderate enough on domestic issues and would play ball with a democratic congress, regardless of what he says in a campaign.

The area were presidents have real power is foreign policy, and I'm personally very uncomfortable with the idea of a total rookie running our country while the world is in such an uproar.

How is MSNBC anything like Fox?

Secondly, how is Obama knee-jerk? If anything, he's been criticized for being too deliberative.

Thirdly, why would you want a hawk during a nuclear face-off? If anything, you need someone that's willing to communicate. Reagan and JFK were famous for their spoken contributions to the Cold War.

 

[Funky Papa]

CNN badly needed some balancing. There is more than enough one sided reporting on Msnbc and Fox.

Also, I find it surprising that anybody in here thinks that Obama, with his knee-jerk doveish tendencies would make a better president than McCain in a new cold war. In an environment like that, I want a Hawk. McCain is plenty moderate enough on domestic issues and would play ball with a democratic congress, regardless of what he says in a campaign.

The area were presidents have real power is foreign policy, and I'm personally very uncomfortable with the idea of a total rookie running our country while the world is in such an uproar.

Wait, so McCain is officially a hawk, and not some old man with a quirky sense of humour. Is that right? So relaxing.

 

[Clevinger]

CNN badly needed some balancing. There is more than enough one sided reporting on Msnbc and Fox.

I agree, but it's tilting the wrong way. They already had Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs.

Get rid of them and Blitzer's general stupidity and it'd be a half decent network.

 

[Krowley]

Because everything has gone so well the last 8 years with a hawk...what we need is another hawk who will apply the same horrendous policies and to further bankrupt this country.

Obama's foreign policy credentials aren't much more impressive than Bush's were when he came into office. Electing bush was a mistake, and electing Obama could be just as bad.

There seems to be a lot of speculation about Joe Biden or Sam Nunn, or even Hilary Clinton as Obama's running mate... If you could take any of those tickets and reverse it, with obama in the VP slot, I would vote democrat this year.

The presidency is not all that much about domestic issues to me, and blatant peace mongers make me nervous. There is a fine line between measured foreign policy and passivity. Obama has always struck me as someone who treads a little too close to that line.

How is MSNBC anything like Fox?

Secondly, how is Obama knee-jerk? If anything, he's been criticized for being too deliberative.

Thirdly, why would you want a hawk during a nuclear face-off? If anything, you need someone that's willing to communicate. Reagan and JFK were famous for their spoken contributions to the Cold War.

MSNBC is basicaly the Obama network now, in the same way that Fox is the bush/McCain network.

As to the Knee jerk comment, I meant that his first response in nearly every foreign policy situation is in a conciliatory/peaceful direction. He would prefer to be a peacetime president, but if he wins, he will inherit a war in progress, and a dangerous world.

On the third comment.. Reagan was extremely hawkish compared to Obama. I agree that McCain is a little to far in the other direction, but that is a preferable flaw in my opinion. Peace through strength.

 

[Hitokage]

Krowley: There's a chapter in The Audacity of Hope where Obama talks foreign policy. I suggest you read it.

 

[Tamanon]

Yeah, he's certainly no "peace-monger", hell, remember how much shit Hillary and McCain gave him for even suggesting strikes on Al Qaeda targets in Pakistan! Seems to be a more Bush41/Clinton foreign policy.

 

[SouthernDragon]

Obama's foreign policy credentials aren't much more impressive than Bush's were when he came into office. Electing bush was a mistake, and electing Obama could be just as bad.

The presidency is not all that much about domestic issues to me, and blatant peace mongers make me nervous. There is a fine line between measured foreign policy and passivity. Obama has always struck me as someone who treads a little too close to that line.

Except Obama has proven himself to be an intelligent man with the ability to listen to a wide range of opinions that he uses to synthesize his own.

At this time, we need someone that'll think things over twice instead of someone that'll rush face first into battle. Several foreign leaders of state have praised the man, I dunno what more you want in terms of credentials.

 

[maximum360]

Right Wing groups going after Hagel now: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/20/right-wing-vets-group-ass_n_120167.html

David Bellavia, founder of Bush suck-up outfit Vets For Freedom, says he "will never attack a Vietnam veteran," but then proceeds to say this about Senator Chuck Hagel:

BELLAVIA: But Sen. Hagel -- we can disagree on a lot of issues -- but Sen. Hagel has never been shot at in Iraq, he's never seen what an IED looks like or been detonated on. This is an individual that could embed himself instead of doing a two-day congressional delegation. Go out there, walk with the troops, see what's going on on the ground.


Ma'am, I've served over a year and our organization is just stock-full of Purple Heart and Valor Award winners. We've seen the worst of this fight. There's no propaganda here, ma'am. We love America. We want to win the war that our Congress sent us to fight. You don't send Americans -- men and women -- to lose a war, to end a stalemate. You send them to win in a war, and that's what we're trying to do. And you know what? We're closer today than we ever have been.

Shorter Bellavia: The problem with Hagel is that he does not love America, and would prefer we lose wars.

Somehow, I think that constitutes an attack on a Vietnam veteran!

Bellavia went on to add, "Now, again, with Sen. Hagel -- my problem with Sen. Hagel is, again, his experienced is based on what? The Mekong Delta. It's based on Vietnam, a totally different fight, a totally different enemy, and by the way, it was 30 years ago. That doesn't cheapen his service. That doesn't cheapen his expertise. But when it comes down to Iraq, I will take that specialist who's 20 years old from Decorah, Iowa, who served three tours in combat, over anything any member of the House or Senate has to say."

Unless I missed something, the current GOP contender for President is not a specialist from Decorah, Iowa but a man whose "experience is based on" the Mekong Delta. Flying above it, anyway. Sometimes violently colliding with it. In fact, one of the only differences between the service records of Hagel and McCain is that McCain was tortured in a POW camp. Of course, if you listen to the Bush White House, McCain wasn't tortured, either.

I don't agree with some of Chuck Hagel's stances but it just goes to show you that some (or many) of these Righ Wing goons are just scum.

 

[ViperVisor]

Matthew's is loving this new poll that has 11% that is the bubble that includes almost all of the demographic buzz words.

And even more shitty discussion with shit master Joe Watkins spinning a pro choice VP for McCain is good.

 

[Clevinger]

Yeah, he's certainly no "peace-monger", hell, remember how much shit Hillary and McCain gave him for even suggesting strikes on Al Qaeda targets in Pakistan! Seems to be a more Bush41/Clinton foreign policy.

Yeah, even McCain, who'd "follow Al Qaeda to the gates of hell", is scared to go into the megahell that is Pakistan.

 

[maximum360]

I agree, but it's tilting the wrong way. They already had Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs.

Get rid of them and Blitzer's general stupidity and it'd be a half decent network.

Agreed and agreed.

 

[soul creator]

Yeah, he's certainly no "peace-monger", hell, remember how much shit Hillary and McCain gave him for even suggesting strikes on Al Qaeda targets in Pakistan! Seems to be a more Bush41/Clinton foreign policy.

It always amuses me to see how the right thinks Obama is some sort of loony liberal pacifist, when *actual* liberal pacifists think Obama is way too hawkish (for example, the AIPAC speech after Obama clinched the nomination)

 

[Byakuya769]

CNN badly needed some balancing. There is more than enough one sided reporting on Msnbc and Fox.

Also, I find it surprising that anybody in here thinks that Obama, with his knee-jerk doveish tendencies would make a better president than McCain in a new cold war. In an environment like that, I want a Hawk. McCain is plenty moderate enough on domestic issues and would play ball with a democratic congress, regardless of what he says in a campaign.

The area were presidents have real power is foreign policy, and I'm personally very uncomfortable with the idea of a total rookie running our country while the world is in such an uproar.

Yea Hawks kick ass!!!!

 

[maximum360]

Matthew's is loving this new poll that has 11% that is the bubble that includes almost all of the demographic buzz words.

And even more shitty discussion with shit master Joe Watkins spinning a pro choice VP for McCain is good.

I can stand at least to listen to Smerconish at times because he shows that he can go outside of talking points but Watkins is a tried and true talking points republican. I'm still amazed that he can distort Obama's record with a straight face and call himself a pastor. Also, it seems today is Obama bash fest on all the networks. They're grinning with glee that the race is neck and neck (by their calculations).

CNN going right wing is a sad state of affairs. Lou Dobbs seems to be a chronic complainer and xenophobic but I don't believe he's an idiot. Can't say the same for Glenn Beck though. Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh must have been birthed from the same womb (or anal aperture).

 

[siamesedreamer]

Looks like the Ayers relationship is much, much deeper than Obama has led us to believe...WOW.

 

[reilo]

Obama's foreign policy credentials aren't much more impressive than Bush's were when he came into office. Electing bush was a mistake, and electing Obama could be just as bad.

Ugh, Obama's FP views are in line with Clinton and Gore. Bush's problem wasn't that he lacked FP, his problem was that he viewed the world in such an absurd light that he brought this nation to its knees.

If Obama's FP is so horrible, then why the hell is every foreign leader lining up behind him? Hell, even Iraqi's PM.

 

[Tamanon]

Looks like the Ayers relationship is much, much deeper than Obama has led us to believe...WOW.

What makes you think so? He's always been open that they served on a non-profit board together.

 

[siamesedreamer]

He's always been open that they served on a non-profit board together.

You sure about that? I haven't kept up with that story much, so I guess he may have.

 

[Byakuya769]

You sure about that? I haven't kept up with that story much, so I guess he may have.

If you haven't kept up with the story why would you post that article (which was a waste of my reading time, btw)?

 

[Tamanon]

You sure about that? I haven't kept up with that story much, so I guess he may have.

Yeah, they knew each other at the college, served on one or two non-profits together and lived in the same neighborhood. Pretty much anyone in Chicago will have some sort of connection to him, he's pretty big now in the political scene there.

 

[GhaleonEB]

What makes you think so? He's always been open that they served on a non-profit board together.

I'm convinced SD doesn't actually read the articles he posts.

Read his post, and then this, and ask - how did he arrive at that conclusion?

The University of Illinois on Tuesday refused to release records relating to Barack Obama's service to a nonprofit group linked to former 1960s radical activist William Ayers.

The university's Chicago campus said the donor of the records that document the work of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge has not yet turned over ownership rights to the material.

The university is "aggressively pursuing" an agreement with the donor, and as soon as an agreement is finalized, the collection will be made accessible to the public, the university said in a one-paragraph statement.

There was no indication when an agreement will be worked out. The university did not identify the donor who it said was concerned that the release not invade personal privacy.

The Obama campaign said the senator does not have control over these records or the ability to release them, adding that it has made many documents related to Obama's life available to the public and that "we are pleased the university is pursuing an agreement that would make these records publicly available."

On Monday, the National Review magazine posted an online article saying that the institution had initially declared that the records were open to inspection, but that the university subsequently reversed its position.

 

[reilo]

If you haven't kept up with the story why would you post that article (which was a waste of my reading time, btw)?

You're new around these parts, aren't ya?

I'm convinced SD doesn't actually read the articles he posts.

Read his post, and then this, and ask - how did he arrive at that conclusion?

Ghaleon makes my point for me.

 

[siamesedreamer]

OK, I had only heard he met with him at his house and that they never shared information or something to that effect.

Carry on...

 

[siamesedreamer]

Read his post, and then this, and ask - how did he arrive at that conclusion?

I wasn't referring to the records. Try to keep up.

 

[Tamanon]

"to lead her flock"

WATCH OUT CHUCK TODD! Incoming PUMA outrage!

 

[PhoenixDark]

I just think that the visuals are going to be too much. No, Obama is not a great debater, but I truly think he has the opportunity to make McCain look old and out of touch to much of the country.

I doubt his age will have anything to do with the outcome of the debates or perception. McCain has done a good job of painting Obama as out of touch, it'll be interesting to see how Obama fights back at the debates; his current "I'm ashamed of you" stump rhetoric isn't working.

 

[NLB2]

Yeah, they knew each other at the college, served on one or two non-profits together and lived in the same neighborhood. Pretty much anyone in Chicago will have some sort of connection to him, he's pretty big now in the political scene there.

All he'd have to do is say
"Bill Ayers is a terrorist who is not in jail only because of legal loopholes. His actions as a founding member of the Weather Underground are disgraceful. He should be released from his position with the University of Illinois-Chicago - a state funded university."

But he doesn't, so the Ayers controversy persists as it should.

 

[reilo]

All he'd have to do is say
"Bill Ayers is a terrorist who is not in jail only because of legal loopholes. His actions as a founding member of the Weather Underground are disgraceful. He should be released from his position with the University of Illinois-Chicago - a state funded university."

But he doesn't, so the Ayers controversy persists as it should.

Is Obama supposed to denounce and reject every person that he shakes hands with that had a shady history?

 

[Tamanon]

I doubt his age will have anything to do with the outcome of the debates or perception. McCain has done a good job of painting Obama as out of touch, it'll be interesting to see how Obama fights back at the debates; his current "I'm ashamed of you" stump rhetoric isn't working.

In the past few town halls, he's tempered it with more anger and emotion, basically making it like "The American people deserve better than your crap". We'll see what the message is coming out of the convention.

NLB2: The Ayers controversy is dead. The only ones pursuing it still is Hannity and Rush.

 

[Bulla564]

On the third comment.. Reagan was extremely hawkish compared to Obama. I agree that McCain is a little to far in the other direction, but that is a preferable flaw in my opinion. Peace through strength.

The McCain-Bush version of "strength" has reignighted a second cold war, and has sparked terrorism and anti-American sentiment accross the world. God forbid we have a wise leader with the good judgement to both defend America in the face of an imminent threat, and uses diplomacy before WASTING American lives.

There is a reason why military donations favor Obama... what... 6 to 1?

Of course, I don't expect the average simple-minded American to understand this. I blame MTV.

 

[NLB2]

Is Obama supposed to denounce and reject every person that he shakes hands with that had a shady history?

Yes.

It wouldn't be an issue if he didn't shake so many shady hands. Or attend their churches regularly, or have them as his mentor while growing up, etc.

 

[reilo]

Yes.

It wouldn't be an issue if he didn't shake so many shady hands. Or attend their churches regularly, or have them as his mentor while growing up, etc.

Oh, okay. So you are also advocating for McCain and Bush to denounce and reject every person they have come in contact with, too?

 

[ViperVisor]

Yes.

It wouldn't be an issue if he didn't shake so many shady hands. Or attend their churches regularly, or have them as his mentor while growing up, etc.