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PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP)

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RubxQub

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None of the candidates aside from Sebelius look good on the ticket...physically.

All these people that get brought up look dumb... and yes...this is important!

You can't have some shrivelly old man on the ticket with Obama...I don't care what he's done.
 

Cheebs

Member
Door2Dawn said:
There will be an Obama/Edwards ticket,I stake my life on it.
0% of Edwards. It's going to a white male, but not Edwards.

I know GAF has a lot of Selebius kool-aid drinkers but it wont be her, not a chance.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Cheebs said:
0% of Edwards. It's going to a white male, but not Edwards.

I know GAF has a lot of Selebius kool-aid drinkers but it wont be her, not a chance.

Cheebs, the konex of poligaf. Selebius it is then.
 
Cheebs said:
0% of Edwards. It's going to a white male, but not Edwards.

I know GAF has a lot of Selebius kool-aid drinkers but it wont be her, not a chance.
My fav choice would be Richardson. I've heard he's not on the short list. Why is that?
 
Mercury Fred said:
He's a despicable homophobe who shouldn't be on any Democratic ticket.
Published: December 6, 1992

Senator Sam Nunn removed two aides a decade ago for being gay...

Mr. Nunn, the Georgia Democrat who is chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, has confirmed that he asked the two aides to leave because of their homosexuality. He says he had no choice because his office deals in sensitive security matters and the two men, because of their homosexuality, were considered security risks by the Central Intelligence Agency and the Defense Department...

Mr. Baldwin said that when a security check was imminent, he met with the Senator about his homosexuality in December 1981.

"He said it would be best if I left," Mr. Baldwin recalled in an interview Friday. "The C.I.A. told him that if you were gay, you were a security risk, no ifs, ands or buts. He said he didn't agree with that but that it caused him a problem."
'Despicable homophobe?' REALLY?
 

Cheebs

Member
StoOgE said:
Cheebs, the konex of poligaf. Selebius it is then.
PoliGAF is like the only place that obsesses over Selebius. Just reading PoliGAF makes her seem like the front runner when most articles about VP tend to say her chances aren't very high. Hell I'd wager a perma-ban (Amir0x hates them in here so its not like it would be allowed though lol) on it, Selebius has a incredibly small chance.

The Lamonster said:
My fav choice would be Richardson. I've heard he's not on the short list. Why is that?
Sexism problems, hillary people hate him, hispanic-black ticket may be too much change for america...etc
 

Cheebs

Member
Thunder Monkey said:
:lol

I'd actually say if it's going to be any woman on the ticket, it will be Sebelius

I'd give her a 30% chance of landing on the ticket.
I agree, if its any woman it'd be her. But it aint going to be a woman.
 
slidewinder said:
'Despicable homophobe?' REALLY?

See the link I posted above. His rationale there is highly suspect, in light of the fact that both of the fired aides were openly gay, as well as his subsequent fearmongering on gays in the military.
 
Cheebs said:
I agree, if its any woman it'd be her. But it aint going to be a woman.
That's why I put her at a 30% chance.

I'd love to see her on the ticket, and see Kansas turn blue for her own presidential run, but I seriously doubt it.
 

Cheebs

Member
The Lamonster said:
So who do you think it will be?

Top three choices Obama is considering: GO!
Obviously I have no idea who his top 3 are, no one does. But personally I'd pick from these:

Joe Biden
Tim Kaine
Jim Webb
James Jones
Wes Clark
Anthony Zinni
Sam Nunn (if he can survive vetting which seems slim based on articles posted here)
Evan Bayh (If he can put Indiana in the Obama colum)

I'd also put Strickland but he said no.
 
Father_Brain said:
See the link I posted above. His rationale there is highly suspect, in light of the fact that both of the fired aides were openly gay, as well as his subsequent fearmongering on gays in the military.
Exactly. Nunn is about the only possible VP pick that would make me sit this election out. And I imagine there are a lot of other gay people that would do the same. I'm willing to overlook Obama's Donnie McClurkin ex-gay gaffe, but this would just be too much. No way in hell would I ever vote for McCain, but I couldn't with a clear conscience vote for a ticket with Nunn.
 
Cheebs said:
Obviously I have no idea who his top 3 are, no one does. But personally I'd pick from these:

Joe Biden
Tim Kaine
Jim Webb
James Jones
Wes Clark
Anthony Zinni
Sam Nunn (if he can survive vetting which seems slim based on articles posted here)
Evan Bayh (If he can put Indiana in the Obama colum)

I'd also put Strickland but he said no.
wait a minute....thats top 8!
 
Cheebs said:
Obviously I have no idea who his top 3 are, no one does. But personally I'd pick from these:

Joe Biden
Tim Kaine
Jim Webb
James Jones
Wes Clark
Anthony Zinni
Sam Nunn (if he can survive vetting which seems slim based on articles posted here)
Evan Bayh (If he can put Indiana in the Obama colum)

I'd also put Strickland but he said no.
I also really like Biden. Arguments against Biden reference his saucy mouth, but that's one of the reasons I like him! Tim Kaine is cool too, and a Gov would be a smart choice.

Dahellisdat said:
wait a minute....thats top 8!
Obama's top friends on MySpace!
 

Cheebs

Member
Biden is my #1 pick. I'd be over-joyed if it was him. I wont get my hopes up but oh I would love it...

And I agree, Bidens saucy mouth is part of his charm.
 
Father_Brain said:
See the link I posted above. His rationale there is highly suspect, in light of the fact that both of the fired aides were openly gay, as well as his subsequent fearmongering on gays in the military.
Yeah, my bad. Knowing nothing about the guy, the NYT article struck me as more a matter of a politician 'getting along' with some entrenched, bullshit standards, twenty-six+ years ago, but there's obviously more to it than that.
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
Door2Dawn said:
Did Joe Biden vote for the war?
he voted for the authorization just like Clinton did,

and the more i think of it the less i believe he should pick Biden since he is quintessential Washington and would only make legitimate claims that Obama is somehow at a foreign policy deficit to McCain.
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
why does Obama 'need' someone with FP 'experience'?

McCain's 'experience' wants to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.
 

SupahBlah

Banned
The Lamonster said:
What is this game all about? Link is blocked at work and can't find a Wiki page...

Basically its a turn based strategy game about getting elected.

You have to raise money and utilise resources like doing a commercial, going on the Coldcut Repertoire :)lol) or deploying units to a state that can help you or hurt another candidate (smear tactics ftw)

GameSpy has a preview.

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/the-political-machine-2008/848621p1.html

I just think people posting on PoliGaf would enjoy it.
 

Cheebs

Member
Door2Dawn said:
No thanks then. We need a VP with foreign policy who was against the war from the start imo.
There are very foreign policy buffs who were against the war from the getgo sadly.
 

Door2Dawn

Banned
scorcho said:
why does Obama 'need' someone with FP 'experience'?

McCain's 'experience' wants to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.
*Shrug*

Everyone is saying that Obama's weakness is FP,so I guess it wouldn't hurt to find someone with good FP experience.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Deus Ex Machina said:

Barack Obama's Speech on Father's Day


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj1hCDjwG6M

He spoke the truth, with kindness and empathy...and the whole service was lovely.

This is a speech everyone should hear - if they could listen long enough.
Man Barack is like a livng legend when he gives speeches like this. And he kept it real.

He did what Bill Cosby was suppose to say. Seriously I can now see that Obama is the black leader that black people and America has been waiting for.
 
Cheebs said:
0% of Edwards. It's going to a white male, but not Edwards.

I know GAF has a lot of Selebius kool-aid drinkers but it wont be her, not a chance.

I agree. Sebelius will not be on the ticket. Hillary probably has a better chance than Sebelius at this point.

White male it is.
 

Cheebs

Member
Stop freaking out now:

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Cheebs

Member
Former Clinton Loyalist Patti Solis Doyle has officially been hired by the Obama campaign as their Chief of Staff for potential VP candidates. Solis Doyale managed hillarys 00 and 06 senate campaigns and was the manager of hillarys president campaign from feb 07 through jan 08.

Cue the talking heads on CNN to speculate it means he'll pick Hillary because this....NOW!


pattisolisobama.jpg
 
Cheebs said:
Former Clinton Loyalist Patti Solis Doyle has officially been hired by the Obama campaign as their Chief of Staff for potential VP candidates. Solis Doyale managed hillarys 00 and 06 senate campaigns and was the manager of hillarys president campaign from feb 07 through jan 08.

Cue the talking heads on CNN to speculate it means he'll pick Hillary because this....NOW!


pattisolisobama.jpg

She was also FIRED by Clinton post super tues,
 

Cheebs

Member
I know. I am just saying CNN finds excuses to claim Hillary will be VP at any chance and a former clintonista working on the VP side of things will make Wolf Blitzer have an erection.
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
wow. that's a stunningly stupid move for Obama. she was head of a sinking campaign that only corrected itself in her absence and somehow still has cache in Washington?
 
Cheebs said:
I know. I am just saying CNN finds excuses to claim Hillary will be VP at any chance and a former clintonista working on the VP side of things will make Wolf Blitzer have an erection.
:lol

yup. CNN <3 Clinton
 

Tamanon

Banned
scorcho said:
wow. that's a stunningly stupid move for Obama. she was head of a sinking campaign that only corrected itself in her absence and somehow still has cache in Washington?

Dude, she's chief of staff for the Veep. She's only there for her image:p

And she was not head of the Clinton campaign. She may have been the manager, but do you think she had more cachet then Mark Penn?:p
 
scorcho said:
he voted for the authorization just like Clinton did,

and the more i think of it the less i believe he should pick Biden since he is quintessential Washington and would only make legitimate claims that Obama is somehow at a foreign policy deficit to McCain.

I don't understand why anybody would support Biden on the ticket. He's a hack owned by the credit card industry. His vote for the draconian bankruptcy law insured I'd think twice about voting for any ticket he is on.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Cheebs said:
PoliGAF is like the only place that obsesses over Selebius. Just reading PoliGAF makes her seem like the front runner when most articles about VP tend to say her chances aren't very high. Hell I'd wager a perma-ban (Amir0x hates them in here so its not like it would be allowed though lol) on it, Selebius has a incredibly small chance.
Everyone else is beating off to Clinton being on the ticket.
 

Eric P

Member
Naomi Klein on Obama's Chicago Boys

http://www.thenation.com/


Obama’s Chicago Boys
by Naomi Klein, June 13, 2008

Barack Obama waited just three days after Hillary Clinton pulled out of the race to declare, on CNBC, “Look. I am a pro-growth, free-market guy. I love the market.”

Demonstrating that this is no mere spring fling, he has appointed 37-year-old Jason Furman to head his economic policy team. Furman is one of Wal-Mart’s most prominent defenders, anointing the company a “progressive success story.” On the campaign trail, Obama blasted Clinton for sitting on the Wal-Mart board and pledged, “I won’t shop there.” For Furman, however, it’s Wal-Mart’s critics who are the real threat: the “efforts to get Wal-Mart to raise its wages and benefits” are creating “collateral damage” that is “way too enormous and damaging to working people and the economy more broadly for me to sit by idly and sing ‘Kum-Ba-Ya’ in the interests of progressive harmony.”

Obama’s love of markets and his desire for “change” are not inherently incompatible. “The market has gotten out of balance,” he says, and it most certainly has. Many trace this profound imbalance back to the ideas of Milton Friedman, who launched a counter-revolution against the New Deal from his perch at the University of Chicago economics department. And here there are more problems, because Obama—who taught law at the University of Chicago for a decade—is thoroughly embedded in the mindset known as the Chicago School.

He chose as his chief economic adviser Austan Goolsbee, a University of Chicago economist on the left side of a spectrum that stops at the center-right. Goolsbee, unlike his more Friedmanite colleagues, sees inequality as a problem. His primary solution, however, is more education—a line you can also get from Alan Greenspan. In their hometown, Goolsbee has been eager to link Obama to the Chicago School. “If you look at his platform, at his advisers, at his temperament, the guy’s got a healthy respect for markets,” he told Chicago magazine. “It’s in the ethos of the , which is something different from saying he is laissez-faire.”

Another of Obama’s Chicago fans is 39-year-old billionaire Kenneth Griffin, CEO of the hedge fund Citadel Investment Group. Griffin, who gave the maximum allowable donation to Obama, is something of a poster boy for an unbalanced economy. He got married at Versailles and had the after-party at Marie Antoinette’s vacation spot (Cirque du Soleil performed)—and he is one of the staunchest opponents of closing the hedge fund tax loophole. While Obama talks about toughening trade rules with China, Griffin has been bending the few barriers that do exist. Despite sanctions prohibiting the sale of police equipment to China, Citadel has been pouring money into controversial China-based security companies that are putting the local population under unprecedented levels of surveillance.

Now is the time to worry about Obama’s Chicago Boys and their commitment to fending off serious attempts at regulation. It was in the two and a half months between winning the 1992 election and being sworn into office that Bill Clinton did a U-turn on the economy. He had campaigned promising to revise NAFTA, adding labor and environmental provisions and to invest in social programs. But two weeks before his inauguration, he met with then Goldman Sachs chief Robert Rubin, who convinced him of the urgency of embracing austerity and more liberalization. Rubin told PBS, “President Clinton actually made the decision before he stepped into the Oval Office, during the transition, on what was a dramatic change in economic policy.”

Furman, a leading disciple of Rubin, was chosen to head the Brookings Institution’s Hamilton Project, the think tank Rubin helped found to argue for reforming, rather than abandoning, the free trade agenda. Add to that Goolsbee’s February meeting with Canadian consulate officials, who left with the distinct impression that they had been instructed not to take Obama’s anti-NAFTA campaigning seriously, and there is every reason for concern about a replay of 1993.

The irony is that there is absolutely no reason for this backsliding. The movement launched by Friedman, introduced by Ronald Reagan and entrenched under Clinton, faces a profound legitimacy crisis around the world. Nowhere is this more evident than at the University of Chicago itself. In mid-May, when university president Robert Zimmer announced the creation of a $200 million Milton Friedman Institute, an economic research center devoted to continuing and augmenting the Friedman legacy, a controversy erupted. More than 100 faculty members signed a letter of protest. “The effects of the neoliberal global order that has been put in place in recent decades, strongly buttressed by the Chicago School of Economics, have by no means been unequivocally positive,” the letter states. “Many would argue that they have been negative for much of the world’s population.”

When Friedman died in 2006, such bold critiques of his legacy were largely absent. The adoring memorials spoke only of grand achievement, with one of the more prominent appreciations appearing in the New York Times—written by Austan Goolsbee. Yet now, just two years later, Friedman’s name is seen as a liability even at his own alma mater. So why has Obama chosen this moment, when all illusions of a consensus have dropped away, to go Chicago retro?

The news is not all bad. Furman claims he will be drawing on the expertise of two Keynesian economists: Jared Bernstein of the Economic Policy Institute and James Galbraith, son of Friedman’s nemesis John Kenneth Galbraith. Our “current economic crisis,” Obama recently said, did not come from nowhere. It is “the logical conclusion of a tired and misguided philosophy that has dominated Washington for far too long.”

True enough. But before Obama can purge Washington of the scourge of Friedmanism, he has some ideological housecleaning of his own to do.
 

Cheebs

Member
thekad said:
Cheebs, why don't you think Sebelius will be Obama's VP?
She add's nothing to the ticket other than being a female. And I dont think Obama will risk pissing off clinton fans who are slowly warming up to him by picking what they'd see as a "token female". And I dont think Obama wants to take a chance with both him and the VP being firsts, too much risk. His biggest problem in the election is fear of Obama, that he is a scary unknown. He needs something that calms that, Selebius does nothing for that.
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
read that article a few days ago. impossibly, it somehow makes those calling Obama a socialist look even stupider.
 
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