VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
As a Puerto Rican, I'm pretty proud of the nomination. I looked her up on wikipedia and I'm cool with most of her views too. Hopefully her nomination goes through.
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PoliGAF Thread of PRESIDENT OBAMA Checkin' Off His List
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PantherLotus
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LovingSteam said:
LovingSteam? More like LosingSteam.
ClovingWestbrook
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mamacint said:
Ahh so that wasn't political but Hillary's advisors defending Palin were? gottcha.
Instigator
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VanMardigan said:
Now vote to become 51st state!
ClovingWestbrook
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PantherLotus said:
Good one
LovingSteam said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
Are you really sure you want to start this argument?
Learn2read
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what in the fuck are you talking about? i think i've decided to get into a political argument with my cat beside me, results so far are promising.LovingSteam said:
ClovingWestbrook
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Jonm1010 said:
Ahh gottcha, so again, you can pick and choose but I cannot. You post one individual's statement and that goes a long way, I post one individual who happened to be a government official and that doesn't matter because it was only one person.
ClovingWestbrook
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I have no problem admitting that the republican party has had a history of racism and sexism, I however will not limit it to them but say both parties have had that history. Yet it seems that many of you will only throw that accusation against the repubs. Fact is there are individuals in both parties who have and continue to show racist and sexist views. Neither party is immune. Some of you are trying to show that one is worse than the other, I am simply trying to show that they both have the same evils.
No difference between a concerted Republican electoral strategy and a Dixiecrat who railed against both a national Democratic and, in this case, Republican President's policy?
The Democratic national party lost the South because of its civil rights platform. The GOP accepted the region with open arms and implemented a political and electoral strategy to hold onto their vote. Even from the mid-late 40s on there is a HUGE difference between the two.
The Democratic national party lost the South because of its civil rights platform. The GOP accepted the region with open arms and implemented a political and electoral strategy to hold onto their vote. Even from the mid-late 40s on there is a HUGE difference between the two.
Jason's Ultimatum
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LovingSteam said:
Wait. You can't be serious. :lol
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Really, you shouldn't try and prove that Democrats have been more racist/sexist/homophobic than Republicans, because most of us live in the real world - where that clearly hasnt been the case.
Of course both parties will have spokespersons that are one or all three of the above every now and then, but Republicans have become the 'hate' party many many times over the last several decades.
Of course both parties will have spokespersons that are one or all three of the above every now and then, but Republicans have become the 'hate' party many many times over the last several decades.
Price Dalton
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LovingSteam said:
Dude, the Southern Strategy wasn't "one individual's statement"; it was the modus operandi of the GOP as they sought southern votes. C'mon. How about you actually read the link provided?
Lee Atwater was THE face of republican strategy from the late 70s into the early 90s. A governor in 1960 who recanted his statement (which at the time is condemnable) is hardly comparable to a 40 year movement that began with the civil rights reform where republicans decided to embrace racism and make it a platform that they still havent shed even today.LovingSteam said:
Come on man, if your not even familiar with the Southern Strategy you have no ground to even stand on when comparing racism throughout the two parties.
mckmas8808
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thefro said:
Rush didn't say those exact words did he?
Learn2read
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If Lovingsteam comes back with "bububu Lincoln freed the slaves and he was a Republican!" someones getting a cockpunch.
Stoney Mason
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Jason's Ultimatum said:
C'mon. That book is clearly racist. Like the other great racist fictional screed of our time Huck Finn.
Deus Ex Machina
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VanMardigan said:
She's glowing
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
LovingSteam said:
And you are unabashedly and unequivocally wrong.
ClovingWestbrook
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dave is ok said:
Never have I tried to show that Democrats have been more racist as that would be foolish. I am simply trying to show that both parties have and continue to have moments of racist/sexist issues. Also that both parties have been guilty of the same issues.
PhoenixDark
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mamacint said:
Thomas Jefferson was a democrat and he had slaves, Lincoln was a republican and freed them. You can't hide from the racist roots of your party mamacint
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
PantherLotus said:
Does this mean that the gays lose with this decision?
Not to bring this argument back up, but do you actually believe the lipstick on a pig reference was sexist, though? It's not an uncommon phase and, according to this news blurb, has been brandied by a host of politicians in a variety of contexts. That 'likeable enough' comment was pretty snarky, but not sexist.APF said:
Jason's Ultimatum
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Stoney Mason said:
That'd be like a politician writing a fictional book about a sadistic killer. Would that make the politician a sadistic killer? :lol
I can't tell if Lovingsteam is a joke character or not. :lol :lol
Stoney Mason
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scorcho said:
We had a silly argument back around when it happened. I never understood his position then other than the fact that GAF itself was indeed very sexist and somewhat hypocritical over the course of the primaries. Which is a proper point to make but had nothing to do with that comment.
Stoney Mason
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Jason's Ultimatum said:
By trying to make a point he has over-stepped his point completely. Both parties are of course rooted in certain racist or prejudicial roots that still influence them to this day. It's a silly argument however to try to stake out faux equivalency on the issue however.
I remember that some posters called Clinton a bitch (for one) during the debates, but they were summarily ridiculed for that, which led to a stupider argument of how 'bitch' or 'cunt' can't possibly be a sexist term.Stoney Mason said:
But the whole 'lipstick on a pig' brouhaha was and is stupid.
scorcho said:
It all goes back to the republican strategy of make your weakness your strength, make their strength a weakness , point out your flaws in the opponent so they ignore your flaws and focus on theirs. They did it with Kerry and his war hero status, they did it with Clinton and they tried to do it with Obama and the democrats by making the campaign of unity and hope be perceived as the party and campaign of sexism and division.
Jason's Ultimatum
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scorcho said:
I got banned for saying something about Hillary during the early primaries.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Instigator said:
I actually wouldn't mind that, but I've never voted in PR and I think the majority of people there are content with the status quo. Although that might change with the way things are falling apart over there.
Stoney Mason
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scorcho said:
It's a bit more complex than that. During the very heated portion of the primary it got really nasty. Especially after Obama would lose the occasional big early race. So called liberals on the board were being very sexist and offensive imo. Even a certain mod would engage in the activity. After a certain point, it was decreed that calling Hillary a bitch was a bannable offense but only after it had already been going on for many months with the tacit approval of the mob mentality.
Ignis Fatuus
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As a preface, I strongly disagree with her ruling in the firefighter case in particular, and "affirmative action" in all its forms in general. As a liberal I would be open to the idea of socio-economic-based affirmative action, but any policy based solely on the color of skin is repugnant and evil as far as I'm concerned: and that applies in all directions.
However, realistically, no democrat would have nominated a justice opposed to affirmative action. Therefore one is as good as another, I suppose, and she's a fine choice politically-speaking.
However, realistically, no democrat would have nominated a justice opposed to affirmative action. Therefore one is as good as another, I suppose, and she's a fine choice politically-speaking.
Actually I was pretty clear in saying it was dumb and hit very "close to home" but likely not an intentional slam. In fact, I was extremely specific about my "position" on that event, so it's likely you're making the common tact of ascribing someone else's arguments to me for dubious personal reasons.Stoney Mason said:
Stoney Mason
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APF said:
No. I didn't understand your point then and I still don't. I'm pretty clear on my position.
Stoney Mason
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APF said:
Just illogical hypocritical english.
Stoney Mason
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I know you are but what I am!APF said:
Stoney Mason
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Make me! I call infinity rebuttal!APF said:
PhoenixDark
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Jason's Ultimatum said:
In Clinton's case, sure
Ignis Fatuus
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Let's be realistic, Sotomayor did make at least one ruling which was manifestly racist if not in motivation, then in practice.Zero Hero said:
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