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LovingSteam said:
Nobody is denying that whites have intimidated blacks and have gotten away with it. However that doesn't excuse these individuals from doing the same thing.

Fine

I have no idea why you're trying your hardest to find the smallest examples of democratic wrong doing. The GOP has turned voter suppression and intimidation into a business and you want to dwell on a couple Black Panthers - who weren't even at the polls with the specific intention of suppressing anyone of their right to vote; like I said they were there to ensure blacks were allowed to vote, and in the process I'm sure they did intimidate white voters.
 
PantherLotus said:
Classic LosingSteam. Nobody is excusing their behavior, or they shouldn't be. But you were suggesting that they got away "scott free" and that there was a nationwide conspiracy to scare white people. That's just silly.

Wait, I suggested there was a nationwide conspiracy to scare white people? Classic PantherLotus. When did I say this, please show. Someone brought up the Fox case so I being facetious said what I did. So again, PLEASE show me where I said this was a nationwide conspiracy.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Fine

I have no idea why you're trying your hardest to find the smallest examples of democratic wrong doing. The GOP has turned voter suppression and intimidation into a business and you want to dwell on a couple Black Panthers - who weren't even at the polls with the specific intention of suppressing anyone of their right to vote; like I said they were there to ensure blacks were allowed to vote, and in the process I'm sure they did intimidate white voters.

I am not trying my hardest to find the smallest examples of democratic wrong doing anymore than some are trying to find the smallest example of republican or conservative wrong doing. To them its news that should be broadcast and to me this is news that should be noted. I never once said "Heh, look what the Dem's did". I was saying how its ridiculous that the GOVT let them go.
 
LovingSteam said:
I am not trying my hardest to find the smallest examples of democratic wrong doing anymore than some are trying to find the smallest example of republican or conservative wrong doing. To them its news that should be broadcast and to me this is news that should be noted. I never once said "Heh, look what the Dem's did". I was saying how its ridiculous that the GOVT let them go.

Give me a break, just a couple pages ago you were posting Jesse Jackson comments, attempting to prove....whatever the hell you were trying to prove.

Right now members of your party are launching racist, under-the-belt attacks at a future SC member. Most of them are not "leaders" of the GOP, but they represent a mindset that many folks within the republican base have. I'm not saying the base is racist, but this entire "how come a minority can be proud of their race but I can't without being called racist" analogy bullshit is very prominent on the right. And guess what, people like Rush are fanning that flame right now. It's outrageous.

But carry on with your reporting on dem injustice
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
^ I'll say it. THE BASE IS RACIST. It ain't hard, and it ain't wrong. Years and years of examples and ridiculously mind-numbing arguments from Limbaugh and his apparent power within the party prove this.

LovingSteam said:
I am not trying my hardest to find the smallest examples of democratic wrong doing anymore than some are trying to find the smallest example of republican or conservative wrong doing. To them its news that should be broadcast and to me this is news that should be noted. I never once said "Heh, look what the Dem's did". I was saying how its ridiculous that the GOVT let them go.

Why is it ridiculous that the GOVT "let them go?"
 
PhoenixDark said:
Give me a break, just a couple pages ago you were posting Jesse Jackson comments, attempting to prove....whatever the hell you were trying to prove.

Right now members of your party are launching racist, under-the-belt attacks at a future SC member. Most of them are not "leaders" of the GOP, but they represent a mindset that many folks within the republican base have. I'm not saying the base is racist, but this entire "how come a minority can be proud of their race but I can't without being called racist" analogy bullshit is very prominent on the right. And guess what, people like Rush are fanning that flame right now. It's outrageous.

But carry on with your reporting on dem injustice

It's interesting because you continue to label what I posted as a democratic injustice. I never said it was dem/repub because it is neither. It is a group of individuals acting stupid and the justice department letting them off the hook. I reported it because it took place during the election and if I started a brand new thread about it people would have said to have just post it here. But hey, you can read things in to what I am posting if you choose.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
LovingSteam said:
I am not trying my hardest to find the smallest examples of democratic wrong doing anymore than some are trying to find the smallest example of republican or conservative wrong doing. To them its news that should be broadcast and to me this is news that should be noted. I never once said "Heh, look what the Dem's did". I was saying how its ridiculous that the GOVT let them go.


I really am curious to know how many people every 4 years get in federal trouble for voting imtimidation.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
LovingSteam said:
Perhaps they were violating the 1965 Voting Rights Act, you know, the type of thing that the govt is suppose to stop and reprimand people for doing?

Can it be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? Did they have an even slightly plausible explanation? Is there absolutely ZERO REASON that you can think of why this case would be dropped, like zero evidence of them actually intimidating anybody?

I don't mind if you crazies want to get worked up over imagined injustice, but jesus, man. Have some evidence. That video doesn't show a prosecutable crime. Dumb? Yes. Criminal? Not proven.

Beyond that, the suit wasn't about those two weirdos, (I'm assuming nobody actually pressed charges on them), it was about a NATIONWIDE CONSPIRACY TO INTIMIDATE WHITE VOTERS!!! OMG!! Which obviously wasn't the case.
 
PantherLotus said:
Can it be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? Did they have an even slightly plausible explanation? Is there absolutely ZERO REASON that you can think of why this case would be dropped, like zero evidence of them actually intimidating anybody?

I don't mind if you crazies want to get worked up over imagined injustice, but jesus, man. Have some evidence. That video doesn't show a prosecutable crime. Dumb? Yes. Criminal? Not proven.

Beyond that, the suit wasn't about those two weirdos, (I'm assuming nobody actually pressed charges on them), it was about a NATIONWIDE CONSPIRACY TO INTIMIDATE WHITE VOTERS!!! OMG!! Which obviously wasn't the case.

You crazies? Dude, its not even worth discussing anything with you. I don't even know why I keep thinking that its possible without it getting ridiculous. We get it, you are a democrat and a huge fan of Barak. No problem, I get it. However its pretty pathetic that you have these feelings towards republicans. You truly portray someone who is more concerned about party than anything else. I have no problem calling out the Repubs or conservatives. I also am not going to go off on someone for being a democrat. So whatever, continue throwing any darts you want (including the expected "There goes Loving feeling attacked"). Believe me, if I truly went to bed at night worried about this I would send myself to the insane asylum. I have quite a few friends who are die hard dems and I truly enjoy discussing politics with them because it doesn't turn personal. You? Useless.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
Haven't seen it, but wouldn't mind a description of the scene in question.

LovingSteam said:
You crazies? Dude, its not even worth discussing anything with you. I don't even know why I keep thinking that its possible without it getting ridiculous. We get it, you are a democrat and a huge fan of Barak. No problem, I get it. However its pretty pathetic that you have these feelings towards republicans. You truly portray someone who is more concerned about party than anything else. I have no problem calling out the Repubs or conservatives. I also am not going to go off on someone for being a democrat. So whatever, continue throwing any darts you want (including the expected "There goes Loving feeling attacked"). Believe me, if I truly went to bed at night worried about this I would send myself to the insane asylum. I have quite a few friends who are die hard dems and I truly enjoy discussing politics with them because it doesn't turn personal. You? Useless.

What does this have to with why those guys should be charged?
 
PantherLotus said:
Can it be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? Did they have an even slightly plausible explanation? Is there absolutely ZERO REASON that you can think of why this case would be dropped, like zero evidence of them actually intimidating anybody?

I don't mind if you crazies want to get worked up over imagined injustice, but jesus, man. Have some evidence. That video doesn't show a prosecutable crime. Dumb? Yes. Criminal? Not proven.

Beyond that, the suit wasn't about those two weirdos, (I'm assuming nobody actually pressed charges on them), it was about a NATIONWIDE CONSPIRACY TO INTIMIDATE WHITE VOTERS!!! OMG!! Which obviously wasn't the case.

To make matters worse, this is another example of an issue conservatives couldn't have cared less about 4-8 years ago. Voter intimidation and actual SUPPRESSION in Florida? Who cares. Polls being closed early in Ohio? Big deal. A couple black panthers scaring a handful of white voters? Holy shit!


On racism, I certainly don't think most of the base is racist, but there is a concentrated group that is (southern states for instance). The 2008 democratic primary proved there are racists in both parties.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
^Does that mean I made it on your ignore list or that you've agreed to stop wasting our time with your useless conspiracies?

PhoenixDark said:
To make matters worse, this is another example of an issue conservatives couldn't have cared less about 4-8 years ago. Voter intimidation and actual SUPPRESSION in Florida? Who cares. Polls being closed early in Ohio? Big deal. A couple black panthers scaring a handful of white voters? Holy shit!

Excellent points. Moreover, the lolling from the right over those things was disgusting.

On racism, I certainly don't think most of the base is racist, but there is a concentrated group that is (southern states for instance). The 2008 democratic primary proved there are racists in both parties.

That's fair. I consider the party to be shrunken enough that one could say confidently that the "base" IS that concentrated group of crazies that mostly live in former Confederate states.
 

JayDubya

Banned
Door2Dawn said:
And Jay should feel terrible for recommending it.

I rather like all of Aronofsky's work, but okay.

I'm just noting that Panther seems to see a systemic pattern of racism everywhere and likes to point it out at seemingly every opportunity. There's a line by Max's professor that's appropriate for this sort of behavior.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
Obama Approval Compares Favorably to Prior Presidents

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...and tied with Carter.
 
PantherLotus said:
^Does that mean I made it on your ignore list or that you've agreed to stop wasting our time with your useless conspiracies?

I don't put anyone on my ignore list. Rather I just have agreed to no longer discuss issues with you.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
^ That's disappointing that you can't handle discussions where people challenge your assumptions. I hope you dont' expect the same from me, because I intend on calling out every single one of your silly posts.

JayDubya said:
I rather like all of Aronofsky's work, but okay.

I'm just noting that Panther seems to see a systemic pattern of racism everywhere and likes to point it out at seemingly every opportunity. There's a line by Max's professor that's appropriate for this sort of behavior.

Let's hear your theory.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
PantherLotus said:
^ That's disappointing that you can't handle discussions where people challenge your assumptions. I hope you dont' expect the same from me, because I intend on calling out every single one of your silly posts.
But let's be fair here. He's said essentially that he's agreed to disagree on this. He's not putting you on ignore, he's not going to continue to argue when your views are irreconcilable. You disagree with him on almost everything, but on this point he's at least taking a civil way out of the argument and agreeing not to clog up the thread when the discussion won't go anywhere. Some other posters could learn some lessons there. :p
 

Trurl

Banned
syllogism said:
Pi is a good movie
Agreed. If nothing else it's an interesting movie. Definitely my favorite of the three Aronofsky films I have seen (Pi, Requiem for a Dream, The Fountain).

I know that this is a derail, I just don't want people to be discouraged from checking out an entertaining movie. :lol
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
@Ghal: That's fair too. But he's also agreeing to ignore valid points, as if ignoring them maintains his assumed dominance on the issue.

JayDubya said:
The crux? If you want to perceive some phenomenon in nature, you will. You'll see it everywhere.
I don't deny that I've been conditioned, over years and years of observing racist behavior, politicians, rhetoric, and actions of the same group of people, that I tend to perceive this phenomenon on a regular basis.
 

APF

Member
GOP Insiders Reluctant To Block Sotomayor

While conservative talk show hosts and some GOP politicians sound ready to man the barricades to stop Judge Sonia Sotomayor from joining the SCOTUS, Republican participants in the latest National Journal Insiders Poll don't think it would be politically smart to try to stop her. Of the 89 Republican Insiders who responded to this week's survey, 64% said it would not be politically smart for Republicans to try to block her confirmation, while 24% said it would be. Another 12% said the answer to that question depends on what additional information comes out about her in the confirmation process.

Not surprisingly, an overwhelming 89% of the 92 Democratic Insiders who responded to the poll said it would not be politically smart for Republicans to try to block her.

The Republican Insiders who were against trying to block Sotomayor listed several reasons for not doing so, including:

-- such a move would alienate Hispanic voters from whom the GOP cannot afford to loose any more support;

-- it could also antagonize many women, another group to which the party needs to build more bridges;

-- she can't be that liberal if she was first appointed to the bench by President George H. W. Bush;

-- and her life story as the daughter of a single mom who goes on get an Ivy League education and a seat on the Federal judiciary would be compelling to many Americans.

And as a backdrop for many of these comments was a general belief that Republicans in the Senate couldn't find the 41 votes necessary to filibuster her nomination. So why pick a fight you can't win? As one Republican Insider put it, "Don't rain on big Latino parades, especially when the outcome is already certain."

Among the 24% of GOP Insiders who thought it would be politically smart for the party to try to block Sotomayor's confirmation the reasons given were:

-- it would appeal and energize the GOP base which is still in a bit of a funk;

-- the only way for the out-of-power Republican Party to build support is by creating distinctions and "drawing lines" with the Democrats;

-- and Sotomayor's a liberal.

There is also a sense among some Republican Insiders that it's payback time for the Democrats who put Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito through the Senate confirmation wringer back in 2005 when they were appointed by President George W. Bush. No doubt, Democrats played hardball, especially with Alito. But at the end of the day the Democrats in the Senate who had 45 members of their caucus at the time compared to the 40 the Republicans count today weren't able to block either Bush nominee. And the reviews after those confirmation fights were over were generally unflattering for the Democrats.

Fuller report: http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/ip_20090530_1272.php

Responses from small sample of bloggers: http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/po_20090527_5056.php
 
PantherLotus said:
@Ghal: That's fair too. But he's also agreeing to ignore valid points, as if ignoring them maintains his assumed dominance on the issue.

I am not agreeing to ignore valid points but rather posters who there is simply no way that him and I can have a civil discussion. You are the only poster here who I have decided to not get into it with any longer. Many others I disagree with here but enjoy discussing with them because I can learn from their wisdom/information or because I like the banter. As I have said before, I could care less if I am right or wrong. For me its about learning from others here info I hadn't other wise been aware of. Yet there is no point in me doing that with individuals who him and I just cannot discuss without it getting personal.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
I'm pretty sure she'll sail through after a couple kep Repub. Judiciary Commitee members ask their requisite 'are you a crazy liberal that loves gays and minorites more than the law" questions.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
LovingSteam said:
I am not agreeing to ignore valid points but rather posters who there is simply no way that him and I can have a civil discussion. You are the only poster here who I have decided to not get into it with any longer. Many others I disagree with here but enjoy discussing with them because I can learn from their wisdom/information or because I like the banter.

As I have said before, I could care less if I am right or wrong. For me its about learning from others here info I hadn't other wise been aware of. Yet there is no point in me doing that with individuals who him and I just cannot discuss without it getting personal.

Whatever you want to call it to make yourself feel better, I guess. It looks to me more that you're running from somebody that doesn't fall for your rhetorical silliness.
 
PantherLotus said:
Whatever you want to call it to make yourself feel better, I guess. It looks to me more that you're running from somebody that doesn't fall for your rhetorical silliness.

If you prefer to think of it as running ok. I am simply choosing to cease discussions with someone in which both of us continue just saying the exact same things and accusing each other of the exact same things. Nothing gets accomplished except to see who can one up the other. Its a waste of both of our time. Not to mention it wastes other people time for reading it.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
^ you sure are picking a funny way of ignoring my posts and not engaging in further banter.

APF said:
I think if you're a genuine racist you won't be happy with either mainstream party.

Let me be clear: I dont think every conservative is a racist, but I do think conservative philosophy is typically based on a "us vs. them" mentality. I do think that if one is racist, they are overwhelmingly more likely to be a Republican.

I do think that the current "base" of the party is racist. But not to dispense with the insults, I also think they're stupid, Bible-thumping bigots that are xenophobic, homophobic, and highly uneducated.
 

Pimpwerx

Member
Stoney Mason said:
Tancredo is awesome because he goes beyond the usual border war Republican mentality and actually delves into a culture war mentality about diluting our essential "American-ness" by letting in all these foreigners.


I love whenever he gets face time because it's like an instant face of intolerance for any issue.
Tancredo is such a jackass. I'm a black man, and I find what he said completely disgusting. In the process of calling one woman a racist, he goes ahead and insults an entire race. And La Raza being racist? WTF? Why do douchebags like that even get on tv? PEACE.
 

mAcOdIn

Member
Psh, as far as voting goes the Democrats are definitely just as bad.

They're never going to fund get out the vote initiatives in heavily Republican areas, they're usually the ones not wanting absentee ballots counted, it really just doesn't matter.

Only difference is Republican measures against voters is generally among racial and social lines and Democratic measures are usually more against, what would the word be, Conservatives?

I think the Democrats look better because it's easier and more accepted to just not help as opposed to actually obstruct which the Republicans tend to do more.

If either had their way the other side wouldn't be allowed to vote. Neither party is for the people just for holding on to the power they have and expanding it. I think even Obama is proof of that as well as many posters here when they discuss political capital, momentum and shit like that. There may be something politicians want to do but it's not worth risking their oh so precious power, makes them(politicians) all damn useless in my book.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
PantherLotus said:
Haven't seen it, but wouldn't mind a description of the scene in question.



What does this have to with why those guys should be charged?


Panther I do like the things you post, but you have to calm down when talking to Lovingsteam. The guy may piss some of us off, but you have to try to just be calm and patient with him.

You kinda prove REP's point when they say that they don't want to post in this thread.
 

APF

Member
PantherLotus said:
Do you believe that or are you going for the lolz?
As usual, a little of both. But I would say that philosophically, someone inclined towards individualism would have less of a call for racial solidarity than someone inclined towards collectivism.
 
APF said:
I think what you're describing are "Americans."

Unfortunately both sides have their folks who deem the other individuals in this light. For some of the ultra conservatives the dems are seeing as socialists who want to run over America and Christians (which is preposterous). I use to have the mindset that dem's want to do away with the Church and its rights (yes, ridiculous I know). That was when I first became a believer in Jesus and attended a very conservative church. However, there are thousands if not millions of Christians who understand that the Republicans have truly damaged the church in many ways after the last two decades.

My father in law is a pastor who doesn't believe in gay marriage, retired military after 25 years. However, he will never turn a gay person from his church, will not try to change them. My wife's best friend is gay and is accepted and loved by my in laws. However for many the fact that my father in law is against gay marriage would cast him in the light of those who are against gay marriage and gay people in general. Both sides have their rocks to throw at the other side. Its unfortunate.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
mckmas8808 said:
Panther I do like the things you post, but you have to calm down when talking to Lovingsteam. The guy may piss some of us off, but you have to try to just be calm and patient with him.

You kinda prove REP's point when they say that they don't want to post in this thread.

Let's be clear. This has nothing to do with me and you know it.

I'm hardly the strongest logician and can be proven wrong when I have flawed arguments (as JayDub could correctly point out). Because one regular republican poster isn't able to do so doesn't mean I am not calm nor patient.

If "REPs" don't want to post in this thread, it isn't because of me. It's because they either have nothing to contribute or they don't know why they remain a Republican. It has nothing to do with hostility. JayDub is an excellent example.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
PantherLotus said:
Let's be clear. This has nothing to do with me and you know it.

I'm hardly the strongest logician and can be proven wrong when I have flawed arguments (as JayDub could correctly point out). Because one regular republican poster isn't able to do so doesn't mean I am not calm nor patient.

If "REPs" don't want to post in this thread, it isn't because of me. It's because they either have nothing to contribute or they don't know why they remain a Republican. It has nothing to do with hostility. JayDub is an excellent example.


No JayDub is an alien. He's not normal. Most normal REPs will just stop posting. And that's not what we need.
 

JayDubya

Banned
PantherLotus said:
If "REPs" don't want to post in this thread, it isn't because of me. It's because they either have nothing to contribute or they don't know why they remain a Republican. It has nothing to do with hostility. JayDub is an excellent example.

Your post confuses me, because it seems to be praising, and then one can only infer since I did not remain a Republican, then I must have nothing to contribute.

Some would argue that to be the case, I suppose. :p

mckmas8808 said:
No JayDub is an alien. He's not normal.

Would that we had signatures. :lol
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
JayDubya said:
Your post confuses me, because it seems to be praising, and then one can only infer since I did not remain a Republican, then I must have nothing to contribute.

Some would argue that to be the case, I suppose. :p



Would that we had signatures. :lol

See! You're able to point out my logical inconsistency! ;)

Seriously though, I meant that you're a fine example of somebody that sits on the generally-other side of the fence and can take an exchange of logical criticism just fine.
 
APF said:
GOP Insiders Reluctant To Block Sotomayor
Yeah, this is a dead issue. I'm tired of hearing about it other than the laugh factor of 'The Latino KKK' and other such nonsense. There are more interesting stories such as Pakistan, GM, North Korea, etc. . . . but the news wastes too much time on this judge that will get confirmed.
 
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