Anticitizen One
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If Obama winning the election in 2008 was "A New Hope" then today most certainly begins Volume 2 "The Empire Strikes Back"
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PoliGAF Thread of PRESIDENT OBAMA Checkin' Off His List
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This.rSpooky said:
PhoenixDark
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Diablos said:The bill is dead. I can't see it passing. Senator Webb just said there will be no vote until Brown is seated. Blue dogs are admitting that they are going to distance themselves from the bill. I cannot see the votes being there in the House anymore, either; there's a big midterm election coming up and it's time to prepare for campaign mode.
Health care reform died on 1/19/2010.
Not to be a pessimist, but Obama's first term is a complete failure up to now. When your biggest accomplishments thus far are basically bailing out AIG and keeping the troops at war, that's just bad news. Obama needs to show that he can pass legislation beyond the stimulus.
I don't know how he can overcome this, though. In the 1990's when Clinton had to move to the center, Gingrich was willing to work with him. It's completely different today. The GOP strategy is basically: the second Obama begins to compromise, the GOP further distances themselves. Hence being the reason why a co-op was very popular to conservatives... until Obama embraced it, too.
Agreed for the most part. On one hand though, I gotta think Obama finally has a reason to try to get shit done: if hc goes down in flames he probably won't be re-elected. But where do we go from here? The "plan b" of getting it done before Brown is seated will not work. The house probably won't accept the senate bill unless Pelosi pulls off a miracle. Republicans are fully energized, and regular people are wondering why Obama hasn't done anything but give their money to bank.
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Anticitizen One said:
No, that happens this November.
thebigtony
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I'm also a life long Boston resident and a conservative. I am not part of the representation of Republicans by conservative media (glen beck, bill o'reilly), and I am not part of some hive mind that gaf often groups republicans in. I am an independent thinker.
Martha Coakley is an incredibly smart women and one of the best Attorney Generals this state has ever seen. However I did support Scott Brown because (in all appearances) much like me, he does not subscribe to that same the said hive mind so many republicans conform to. He is an extremely intelligent and independent thinking person. I don't think he will sit in the back row.
During the election he was not supported by the Republican National Committee all that much until the end of the campaign. They simply didn't believe he could win. Democrats out number republicans in this state 3 to 1. He won on his own accord and because the people of this state believe that he will be a good representation of our views in Washington. This is not the absolute end of Healthcare reform, or any of Obama's agenda. I think it is the start of a new representation for republicans and I am happy about that.
Martha Coakley is an incredibly smart women and one of the best Attorney Generals this state has ever seen. However I did support Scott Brown because (in all appearances) much like me, he does not subscribe to that same the said hive mind so many republicans conform to. He is an extremely intelligent and independent thinking person. I don't think he will sit in the back row.
During the election he was not supported by the Republican National Committee all that much until the end of the campaign. They simply didn't believe he could win. Democrats out number republicans in this state 3 to 1. He won on his own accord and because the people of this state believe that he will be a good representation of our views in Washington. This is not the absolute end of Healthcare reform, or any of Obama's agenda. I think it is the start of a new representation for republicans and I am happy about that.
Father_Brain
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There used to be an unspoken assumption in American politics that knee-jerk obstructionism was a bad thing, and that the minority party had to negotiate in good faith with the majority. Then, around 1993, Gingrich and Dole gambled that it might make good politics after all. And disastrously for the country, they were proven right.
The Gang of 14 doesn't look like such a smart move anymore.
The Gang of 14 doesn't look like such a smart move anymore.
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Tonight is amazing.
I've also never lost so many friends on Facebook in one hour before....
I've also never lost so many friends on Facebook in one hour before....
WickedAngel
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thebigtony said:
...so I take it that you haven't followed Brown much, have you?
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Fuck. FUCK.
That's it, guys. America had a good run, but I guess that we can't have nice things. Oh well, I guess that we can keep making movies about how messed up everything is. At least there's that.
That's it, guys. America had a good run, but I guess that we can't have nice things. Oh well, I guess that we can keep making movies about how messed up everything is. At least there's that.
PhoenixDark
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thebigtony said:
You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor. TAKE HIM AWAY!
thebigtony
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Are commenting on his voting record? Or the fact that i said that this doesn't mean the end of healthcare reform. I do not support the current bill, neither does he. He wants to rework it which is important for it to be successful.WickedAngel said:
I don't follow the policy ins and outs as much as some of you, but I have to ask. When Obama was elected and even after (since the Franken thing went so long) there was no guarantee that the Dems would have 60 in the Senate anyway (and if you have to count Lieberman, I'm not sure one should even say they had 60 ever to begin with). So what was the plan for HCR in that environment? It seems we're just back to that now, but I suppose the bills would look different now if it had been that environment from the get go?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s8sXdL3IIoPhoenixDark said:
NullPointer
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The only silver lining I see is that the game has changed enough that "comfortable" seats are no longer considered comfortable. This is how it should be, and not only opens the door for the idiot tea baggers to exert more pressure, but for everybody else as well.
Schattenjäger
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well at the time..obama was talking about bipartisanship and transparency... we all see how that was BSteiresias said:
ALeperMessiah
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The republican party really is dead.
GrotesqueBeauty
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I remember Axelrod on Meet the Press talking about how they weren't drawing any lines in the sand on HCR, and how well taking that stance works for them. This was followed by courting or trying to mollifying every snake in the grass that came along with obvious intentions of scuttling reform (and all the while while the WH wagged a finger at progressives for being too rigid- for actually caring about good legislation instead of "whatever"). So what have we learned?
Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything.
Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything.
Joking, of course. The Democrats and the Obama Administration haven't learned shit. 
Prove me wrong, Senate!
Prove me wrong, Senate!teiresias said:
Your right on that. The Democrats never really had 60 votes so the despair among some here is kinda silly. Things will still get done once the initial shock of this goes away a bit. The administration is actually back at the number of seats it started with if not more once you include Franken and Specter.
Sirpopopop
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eznark said:
And Republican sites are a place for hilarity.
People shouting with glee for a return to the GWB years.
NullPointer
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Zero Hero said:
Evolution takes time.
Byakuya769
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Anticitizen One said:
hahahahaha. Can't hate on this.
ALeperMessiah
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Zero Hero said:
You act like Congress doing nothing is a bad thing.
charlequin
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Y2Kev said:
If you start voting Republican I will drive down there and shove your fucking PS3 down your throat with my cock
Right now polls say favoring health care reform as it currently exists is the wrong side to be on. America supports doing nothing in this instance. Painting the right as obstructionist isn't a win for the left.teiresias said:
Like I said, they need to freaking accomplish something. Don't ask don't tell is potentially a good spot to go from here. It's an issue important to a lot of Obama's energize base, young people, and the right looks pretty stupid when opposing it. It would be a small win but right now Obama could use anything.
Thank God for tabbed browsers
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timetokill said:
It was in large part. Racism is the spark of the tea party movement, which ultimately caused unified Republican opposition to the Democratic majority and Coakley's defeat. The health care bill is essentially a Republican bill and yet not a single Republican would touch it because of that popular fascist movement.
ToxicAdam said:
That's probably part of it as well. Studies show voters are more likely to refuse to vote for women even than blacks.
PantherLotus
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Get banned you piece of shit.
ChoklitReign
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If this is evident that America desperately needs a moderate third party I don't know what is.
WickedAngel
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thebigtony said:
He wants to "rework" (AKA, "gut") it. It has been compromised significantly already (Enough so that the HoR has been reluctant to commit). Anything more means nothing gets done.
eznark said:
It's interesting how you believe that polls are only meaningful when they support your opinion. I wonder how you felt during the vast majority of 2009 when HCR was supported by the majority.
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