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[ToxicAdam]

It was in large part. Racism is the spark of the tea party movement, which ultimately caused unified Republican opposition to the Democratic majority and Coakley's defeat. The health care bill is essentially a Republican bill and yet not a single Republican would touch it because of that popular fascist movement.

If you don't run an aggressive campaign, you lose. That's what happened here.

Brown painted himself as an independent, ran way from being a Republican and the tea party movement. He ran the better campaign and voters responded.

 

[Byakuya769]

I'd really like to know what districts that went heavily for Obama were voting for in November? Was young/ethnic turnout so low that the Republican candidate opposed to a large chunk of the President's agenda could win 64% in some, or are people running to the polls to vote for fucking personalities and haven't a dog damn clue as to what any candidate stands for?

 

[Sirpopopop]

I have to agree with eznark.

Unfortunately Obama is no friend to the GLBT movement.

 

[Trakdown]

They need to make the Republicans actually filibuster so that there is complete video evidence of who's actually causing the "do nothingness".

No, they need to nuke the filibuster and actually accomplish shit. There is video evidence of this stuff, but good luck getting the electorate to give a shit.

 

[PantherLotus]

If this is evident that America desperately needs a moderate third party I don't know what is.

I wonder how far apart our parties would really be if we took out all corporate and private donations?

 

[jamesinclair]

The margin with over 90% reporting is just over 115,000 in Brown's favor. College students were supposed to close that gap?

There are 150,000 college students in the Boston area.


They do not vote.

Let me frame it like this: The district where BU and Northeastern (and 12 smaller colleges) reside, home to around 50,000 students is run by a councilman who got elected on what is essentially an anti student platform.

IE: he catered to the tiny minority of old folks who live there, and he won, because only the tiny minority of old folks voted.

 

[eznark]

If you don't run an aggressive campaign, you lose. That's what happened here.

Brown painted himself as an independent, ran way from being a Republican and the tea party movement. He ran the better campaign and voters responded.

I saw that, asshole

It's interesting how you believe that polls are only meaningful when they support your opinion. I wonder how you felt during the vast majority of 2009 when HCR was supported by the majority.

And here I thought "right now" made clear I was speaking of the present, as in the latest polls released. When people favored reform obviously it was smarter to support it. It's not rocket science.

 

[Schattenjäger]

Get banned you piece of shit.

stay classy!

 

[Rentahamster]

Unfortunately Obama is no friend to the GLBT movement.

So when he said that marriage is between a man and a woman, did everyone think he was just saying that to get elected or something?

 

[besada]

I saw that, asshole

It's past TA's bedtime. At least he didn't call you a cunt.

 

[thebigtony]

IE: he catered to the tiny minority of old folks who live there, and he won, because only the tiny minority of old folks voted.

Wrong. Im in college and most of my friends are in college. They all voted for him.

 

[ElectricThunder]

I wonder how far apart our parties would really be if we took out all corporate and private donations?

Sadly Panther, you already know the gestalt of the answer to such an enchanting fantasy.

The next several months will be an active time heading into the 2010 elections...in theory this should serve as a catalyst of sort on a number of sides.

 

[Y2Kev]

So when he said that marriage is between a man and a woman, did everyone think he was just saying that to get elected or something?

I actually think a lot of people did. lol. I'm tremendously disappointed in Obama from this angle. Disgusting.

 

[Vilix]

If this is evident that America desperately needs a moderate third party I don't know what is.

Actually, doing away with both parties would be the best IMO. Voting along the lines of your constituents, and not along some party line makes better sense.

 

[eznark]

WOLF BLITZER: Three statewide elections in three states Obama won, where Obama campaigned for the Democrat. All three won by Republicans. What message does this send?

zing

 

[teiresias]

Is it too early to start the Official Democratic Presidential Primary thread?

 

[thebigtony]

He wants to "rework" (AKA, "gut") it. It has been compromised significantly already (Enough so that the HoR has been reluctant to commit). Anything more means nothing gets done.

The current bill simply will not work. It does not address the true problems with healthcare. Why cap the amount Doctors get payed by the insurance agencies but not the amount malpractice lawyers get paid in a lawsuit. It's could be a reason why the premiums are so high. And if you say otherwise you are misinformed.

 

[thefit]

zing

Its Wolf being his usual clueless self. We'll just have to leave at that.

It would do you good to kill your tv now. Its done wonders for my health.

 

[Rentahamster]

I actually think a lot of people did. lol. I'm tremendously disappointed in Obama from this angle. Disgusting.

Kinda like no one believed he would actually prolong the Afghanistan conflict and send two more combat brigades in.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreign_policy/side_by_side_comparison/index.php

ololol

 

[Byakuya769]

Presidential Primaries.. some of you guys slay me. We all remember all the challengers that went against President Clinton.

If any democrat is dumb enough to try and challenge him, they will be effectively guaranteeing a Republican President for 8 years. Some of you "wah I'm going home" babies would probably like that though. Guess it would make you feel like your vote.. or non vote was heard.

Jack asses.

 

[Particle Physicist]

I'm also a life long Boston resident and a conservative. I am not part of the representation of Republicans by conservative media (glen beck, bill o'reilly), and I am not part of some hive mind that gaf often groups republicans in. I am an independent thinker.

Martha Coakley is an incredibly smart women and one of the best Attorney Generals this state has ever seen. However I did support Scott Brown because (in all appearances) much like me, he does not subscribe to that same the said hive mind so many republicans conform to. He is an extremely intelligent and independent thinking person. I don't think he will sit in the back row.

During the election he was not supported by the Republican National Committee all that much until the end of the campaign. They simply didn't believe he could win. Democrats out number republicans in this state 3 to 1. He won on his own accord and because the people of this state believe that he will be a good representation of our views in Washington. This is not the absolute end of Healthcare reform, or any of Obama's agenda. I think it is the start of a new representation for republicans and I am happy about that.

I think you are a little delusional if you think Brown won't just fall in line with the rest of the republicans.

 

[empty vessel]

The current bill simply will not work. It does not address the true problems with healthcare. Why cap the amount Doctors get payed by the insurance agencies but not the amount malpractice lawyers get paid in a lawsuit. That's a huge reason why the premiums are so high. And if you say otherwise you are misinformed.

I say otherwise. Capping what lawyers can get paid is an indirect way to limit injured people's access to courts, which is the intent. This should be obvious and it's not in your interest as a potential injured person to support policies that work to your detriment. This also should be obvious.

 

[jamesinclair]

Wrong. Im in college and most of my friends are in college. They all voted for him.

Your anecdotal story sure is convincing!

Why dont you take a look at turnout by precinct and then come back and talk, k?

Also, if you read what I wrote again, youll note I was talking about Mike Ross.

 

[ToxicAdam]

It's going to be hilarious to see how quickly talk radio folks hitch their wagon to Scott Brown. He's the best news the Republicans have had in years. They are so eager to rid themselves of Sarah Palin as the new face of the party.

 

[thekad]

I can't believe the Republicans are going to actually succeed in blocking everything and anything from being passed for an entire 3 years. America fuck yeah!

 

[Mercury Fred]

Is this the event that will finally cause Obama and Reid to grow some balls?

Nah. I doubt it.

PS thx Obama for speaking up while right wing shitbags at the Prop 8 trial hide behind your statements about marriage equality as the defense for their bigotry.

 

[Byakuya769]

The current bill simply will not work. It does not address the true problems with healthcare. Why cap the amount Doctors get payed by the insurance agencies but not the amount malpractice lawyers get paid in a lawsuit. That's a huge reason why the premiums are so high. And if you say otherwise you are misinformed.

Yea, because states with aggressive tort reform have led the way with their extremely low premiums. You are uninformed.

 

[thefit]

Brown had no official stance on some issue and couldn't make up his mind about the once he had any kind of knowledge on and you think he's not going to follow the herd?.
:lol oh my if everyone else in Massachusetts is a delusional as this the you deserve him.:lol

 

[besada]

Why cap the amount Doctors get payed by the insurance agencies but not the amount malpractice lawyers get paid in a lawsuit. That's a huge reason why the premiums are so high. And if you say otherwise you are misinformed.

Actually, to say that means you clearly don't know what you're talking about, unless you'd care to explain how the two largest states in the union already have caps in place and yet their rates continued to rise at or above the rate of the rest of the nation.

Health care has plenty of problems, but the idea that evil malpractice lawyers are responsible for the rise in health care not only ignores the facts on the ground, it puts lie to your claim of being a "thinking independent" conservative, since it's the brain dead conservative line that you guys have been parroting since before caps went in place in both Texas and California.

Both states tried that method, and in both cases it was a resounding failure. Have anymore Republican talking points you'd like to regurgitate while pretending to be the thinking man's conservative?

 

[drakesfortune]

Bart, now THIS is a crazy man. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Sorry who wants to go tea bagging?

Sorry again.

Who wants to be tea bagged?

Oops.

Sorry.

I guess what I've been saying isn't so crazy. People, even in Massacomunistichussets don't like the health care bill. Wait, people want the public option? Uh, no, they don't. Not even in Mass!

Who's crazy now. Even I, on my craziest of days two weeks ago, would not have predicted in my wildest dreams that Republicans would win in Massachusetts. NEVER!

Course correction, if sanity is a thing, coming in 3...2...1...God I hope so anyway.

 

[Puck]

So, as an ignorant Australian, what does obama losing his seat or whatever actually mean?

 

[thekad]

I think you are a little delusional if you think Brown won't just fall in line with the rest of the republicans.

Don't bother.

 

[thebigtony]

I think you are a little delusional if you think Brown won't just fall in line with the rest of the republicans.

Call me delusional but one can hope can't they. I trust him to do the right thing. And as i said Washington republicans did not give him any support in this campaign (besides Mccain). He doesn't really have any obligations to fall in line.

 

[DrForester]

Foxnews should have gone whole nine yards and done "epic win"

 

[140.85]

It was in large part. Racism is the spark of the tea party movement, which ultimately caused unified Republican opposition to the Democratic majority and Coakley's defeat. The health care bill is essentially a Republican bill and yet not a single Republican would touch it because of that popular fascist movement.

If you actually believe any of this, PM me. I got some bridges for sale you might be interested in. What's your budget?

 

[Quadrangulum]

The scary thing is that this election certifies the teabagging movement as a legitimate political force.

 

[ShOcKwAvE]

Anyone else kinda relieved the election is over? For some strange reason, I'm really looking forward to the next two weeks...just to see how much this actually affects HCR.

 

[GashPrex]

It's really not that hard. The majority of the nation doesn't want the healthcare bill. Nobody in the democratic party seems to listen to that. Scott Brown represented an opportunity to prevent the bill from happening. Also, it would be political suicide to force the HCR vote before Brown is seated.

Additionally, in general, the american people don't like supermajority's. Our system isn't really designed for that - its designed to be slow and plodding, full of compromise and debates. I know that frustrates many people.

 

[thekad]

It's really not that hard. The majority of the nation doesn't want the healthcare bill. Nobody in the democratic party seems to listen to that. Scott Brown represented an opportunity to prevent the bill from happening.

Additionally, in general, the american people don't like supermajority's. Our system isn't really designed for that - its designed to be slow and plodding, full of compromise and debates. I know that frustrates many people.

The Republicans aren't interested in compromise or debate. I can't believe that after an entire year, you (and apparently bigtony) haven't realized that.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

Call me delusional but one can hope can't they. I trust him to do the right thing. And as i said Washington republicans did not give him any support in this campaign (besides Mccain). He doesn't really have any obligations to fall in line.

Do you see any of the other Senate Republicans doing the right thing?

 

[ToxicAdam]

The scary thing is that this election certifies the teabagging movement as a legitimate political force.

Does it? He tried to distance himself from them as much as possible during the campaign.

 

[140.85]

The scary thing is that this election certifies the teabagging movement as a legitimate political force.

It's an oral sex movement?

 

[PhoenixDark]

So, as an ignorant Australian, what does obama losing his seat or whatever actually mean?

Basically a special election was held today to fill the seat of a senator who passed away last year. Democrats needed to win in order to keep 60 (out of 100) seats in the senate, which is the required amount to end a filibuster. Well the democrat wound up losing the seat, despite it being in a very liberal/democrat area of the country...so now democrats have 59 seats in the senate and probably won't be able to pass a health care bill (since republicans will just filibuster). smh

 

[thefit]

The scary thing is that this election certifies the teabagging movement as a legitimate political force.

Up to a point. The GOP is going to be in a rush to take over that brand to capitalize on it and the angry old geezers that started the movement are going to realize (and have already realized in some cases) that having had the GOP funding all those cutesy parties will amount to a handful of magic beans for them.

 

[thebigtony]

This was not a result of the tea bag movement, he appealed to independent voters and won them over. I'm in Massachusetts and I followed the campaign avidly. Don't call me ignorant or ill informed. He ran on the idea that the seat wouldn't be a for republicans, it would be a seat for the people of Massachusetts. But then again i am conservative so I'm in bliss anyway.

 

[Sirpopopop]

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[JimtotheHum]

If Obama winning the election in 2008 was "A New Hope" then today most certainly begins Volume 2 "The Empire Strikes Back"

Well said. That's why I come to this thread, politics discussed in terms I can understand.

 

[Sirpopopop]

It's really not that hard. The majority of the nation doesn't want the healthcare bill. Nobody in the democratic party seems to listen to that. Scott Brown represented an opportunity to prevent the bill from happening. Also, it would be political suicide to force the HCR vote before Brown is seated.

Additionally, in general, the american people don't like supermajority's. Our system isn't really designed for that - its designed to be slow and plodding, full of compromise and debates. I know that frustrates many people.

See: thekad's post.

I feel it's important to make two posts just to hammer the point home.

Edit: Actually I mistakenly double posted.

 

[WickedAngel]

Call me delusional but one can hope can't they. I trust him to do the right thing. And as i said Washington republicans did not give him any support in this campaign (besides Mccain). He doesn't really have any obligations to fall in line.

You're delusional. You're also wrong about tort reform. See below;

Actually, to say that means you clearly don't know what you're talking about, unless you'd care to explain how the two largest states in the union already have caps in place and yet their rates continued to rise at or above the rate of the rest of the nation.

Health care has plenty of problems, but the idea that evil malpractice lawyers are responsible for the rise in health care not only ignores the facts on the ground, it puts lie to your claim of being a "thinking independent" conservative, since it's the brain dead conservative line that you guys have been parroting since before caps went in place in both Texas and California.

Both states tried that method, and in both cases it was a resounding failure. Have anymore Republican talking points you'd like to regurgitate while pretending to be the thinking man's conservative?

 

[140.85]

It's really not that hard. The majority of the nation doesn't want the healthcare bill. Nobody in the democratic party seems to listen to that. Scott Brown represented an opportunity to prevent the bill from happening. Also, it would be political suicide to force the HCR vote before Brown is seated.

Additionally, in general, the american people don't like supermajority's. Our system isn't really designed for that - its designed to be slow and plodding, full of compromise and debates. I know that frustrates many people.

Well said.