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[diehard]

:lol Love it

 

[eznark]

It also might cause a bunch of weak incumbents to consider retirement. Also, winning in MA could cause the RNC to get bold and start contesting seats and races which they were ready to ignore/let go/write off.

The right was going to contest EVERYTHING that is even marginally close in 2010 regardless of what happened tonight, but an early wake up call like this might give the left a much needed warning shot. A serious reckoning might be coming this fall.

I expect a lot of up-for-election dems in both branch to start voting based on polling instead of leadership demands.

 

[Y2Kev]

I think CHANGE is in the air!

--Ted Kennedy

 

[Kolgar]

Fucking epic!

 

[charlequin]

Do you people enjoy overreacting by a huge, embarrassing margin?

Sorry, but no. There is no overreacting going on here: any hope for our stupid worthless country just got shat on by one giant fucking Masshole.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I don't even know what to think. It's always the status quo with this country. It takes decades and decades for any real change to take place ( civil rights for instance ) HCR had the bestshot it will have for years and because of a few people it won't happen. I'm just pissed off.

 

[thefit]

I could not be more upset right now.

The dems wasted a perfectly good supermajority. They fucked up so badly. They need to put health care behind them as soon as possible. What a stupid policy decision to go after first.

Super what? They never had any super majority lets get that straight or else the bill would have been passed a long time ago.

 

[timetokill]

Waterloo

 

[Averon]

Let me start off by reiterating that Coakley deserved to lose. Alright. Now presenting Aaron Strife's patented plan on how the Democrats can still win. And by win I mean "come out of this only missing one or two limbs" which is kind of sad but here goes:

- Pass healthcare reform by having the House vote on the senate bill verbatim. The truth is there's really not much progressives can gain by reconciling the two bills. Actually this leads to...

- Public option through reconciliation. But that might be better to do financial regulations through reconciliation. Actually, do that, because PEOPLE LIKE THAT.

- Focus 2010 message on deficit reduction. 2008 was carried by Obama's agenda, which I think people are sick of after the health care debacle.

- Try to keep house/senate losses to a minimum. By this I mean, retain a majority in the House, at least 55 seats in the senate. Suggested states for Democratic gains: MO, OH, NH

- Put out Reid as a sacrificial lamb, bring in Russ Feingold as majority leader.

Yeah, Reid is done. He won't win another term in November and after this HCR debacle, he doesn't deserve a leadership position. Feingold should be his replacement.

 

[Manmademan]

Super what? They never had any super majority lets get that straight or else the bill would have been passed a long time ago.

I tried explaining this a while back. fell on deaf ears. But this is besides the point. This election doesn't matter.

The fact that it was close at all sends anyone on the fence (lieberman) an excuse to go running for the hills and/or make outrageous demands to sideline any reconciled house/senate bill. so 60 votes wasn't going to happen even if coakley squeaked it out.

the only question is whether the white house will throw its weight at the house to pass the senate bill, force through a stripped down bill via reconciliation, or give up entirely until after the 2010 elections.

 

[VAIL]

Fucking embarrassment

 

[reilo]

You had a candidate that never defined herself vs a candidate who defined himself from his first campaign Ad.

If I give you the definition of a turd, would you still vote for it simply because you didn't know the definition of platitudinous?

 

[PhoenixDark]

And you jerks laughed at me. I'm telling you, hard nosed and politically savvy Clinton would have done serious damage this year (and by damage, I mean you guys would have been thrilled).

Anyway, in a two party system neither party will be dead long...and I'd worry about losing a majority in the senate too at this point. In 2000 and 2002 the left was dead for good, that barely lasted 4 years.

Agreed. I just don't see Hillary sitting on her ass while Baucus, Grassley, and Snowe ran the clock out. Or going on a limp wrist campaign tour in support of the bill.

Might as well chalk this up as the beginning of the end. Can't wait to hear what Obama has to say during his SOTU.

 

[charlequin]

What was all that BS about the northeast Republican being dead?

The northeast Republican is dead. It's just the douchesack teabag Republican that is far too alive.

 

[gkryhewy]

Fucking epic!

Posted from your Fox News bar party for totally cool people? :lol

 

[Hari Seldon]

Well hopefully he is actually a conservative... cut spending, balance the budget. That is all I want right now, a return to surplus and a strong economy. The dems pushing a costly healthcare plan when the economy is in shambles is their downfall. They should have led with extreme finance reforms, and they would still be rolling strong. There is not a political party anymore that is worth a damn, but at least this is good news in the short term. I want health care reform, but not when the country is massively in debt.

 

[Mooreberg]

I don't even know what to think. It's always the status quo with this country.

Coakley was regarded as the status quo by a lot of people here. She ran a horrible campaign and walked into a situation that ended up having more to do with national affairs than who would do more for the voters in the state.

 

[eznark]

Reflecting Wall Street's expectations for healthcare reform, investors drove health insurance and drug company shares higher, betting a Brown victory would at least slow Obama's healthcare plans.

Hospital companies, which may gain more insured customers under health reform, saw their shares slump.

"If Brown wins, it is our view that Obamacare will not pass Congress," Avik Roy, a healthcare analyst with Monnes Crespi Hardt, said in a research note.

I'm going to believe the folks voting with their dollar. Wall St. is never wrong....right?

275 point jump tomorrow, lets get back to 11,000!

 

[ToxicAdam]

I wouldn't read too much into this. This is 5 consecutive years of anti-incumbent elections. For whatever reason, Scott Brown was able to capture the "outsider" label and ran with it. That and his distinguished career were probably enough to destroy Coakley among white males.

The current congress has not done much to raise their HORRIBLE approval ratings, something has to give. So even if the Republicans win back the house in 2010, they could give it right back in 2012 if things still remain stagnant. I think it is too soon to label this an 'anti-democrat' movement, more like blind, seething voter rage.

 

[reilo]

Agreed. I just don't see Hillary sitting on her ass while Baucus, Grassley, and Snowe ran the clock out. Or going on a limp wrist campaign tour in support of the bill.

Might as well chalk this up as the beginning of the end. Can't wait to hear what Obama has to say during his SOTU.

You mean the same Hillary Clinton that was put in charge of healthcare reform fifteen years ago and couldn't manage to get it out of a single committee?

 

[polyh3dron]

Both Lieberman and Bayh have now said they are rethinking voting for heatlhcare reform in light of this vote.

Welcome to 2010: absolutely nothing will pass the Senate.

Lieberman?

FUCK. THAT. GUY.

 

[WickedAngel]

You mean the same Hillary Clinton that was put in charge of healthcare reform fifteen years ago and couldn't manage to get it out of a single committee?

She wasn't a President and the country wasn't ready for it. We were ready this time and they've still managed to blow it by bending over the table at every fucking turn.

Both Lieberman and Bayh have now said they are rethinking voting for heatlhcare reform in light of this vote.

Welcome to 2010: absolutely nothing will pass the Senate.

No point in casting a risky vote when it's going to fail anyways.

 

[Wes]

Let's hope he's the only guy with the surname Brown wining anything political this year.

 

[gcubed]

I'm going to believe the folks voting with their dollar. Wall St. is never wrong....right?

275 point jump tomorrow, lets get back to 11,000!

they attributed teh health care bump today to the MA elections, but i dont understand how the potential killing fo the biggest hand out to the insurance industry improved their stocks

 

[Sirpopopop]

Do you people enjoy overreacting by a huge, embarrassing margin?

Didn't you say people were overreacting when they said Brown was going to win?

 

[gkryhewy]

hat is all I want right now, a return to surplus and a strong economy.

Good luck with that.

 

[Kolgar]

Posted from your Fox News bar party for totally cool people? :lol

Heheh, no. It was kind of lame. The local radio personality wasn't really visible or accessible and there was only a smattering of applause when the returns started coming in.

I'm in a VERY liberal town.

 

[reilo]

She wasn't a President and the country wasn't ready for it. We were ready this time and they've still managed to blow it by bending over the table at every fucking turn.

But the sitting president at the time felt confident enough in her abilities to get it done. Worked wonders, didn't it?

 

[Amory]

This is pretty awesome. Good for the commonwealth

 

[x Power Pad Death Stomp x]

The best part of all of this.....

the only reason this election even happened is because the Dems in MA changed the law to have it. They wanted it, they got it.

As a conservative living in MA, I feel like when Ralphie beat up Scott Farcas in A Christmas Story.

 

[Suikoguy]

I wouldn't read too much into this. This is 6 consecutive years of anti-incumbent elections. For whatever reason, Scott Brown was able to capture the "outsider" label and ran with it. That and his distinguished career were probably enough to destroy Coakley among white males.

The current congress has not done much to raise their HORRIBLE approval ratings, something has to give. So even if the Republicans win back the house in 2010, they could give it right back in 2012 if things still remain stagnant. I think it is too soon to label this an 'anti-democrat' movement, more like blind, seething voter rage.

It's a weird day in the forum when ToxicAdam makes the most sense :lol

 

[turnbuckle]

if healthcare goes down in flames now i think i'm off politics for a while. life was so much better when i was ill informed

.

I'm done with politics. I'll keep myself informed on the issues and I'll keep voting, but I'm done following this shit. It does nothing but give me stress and frustration, no matter who is in office and in congress.

I've already cut back in this thread and do a lot more lurking than participating anymore, but everything feels so pointless. The only silver lining is that having a 59-41 majority will be less frustrating than a 60-40. At least, I'll no longer have to give a rat's ass about Liebermann or Snowe, since I already know anything worth a damn can't get passed even with one of their votes now.

 

[Mooreberg]

The best part of all of this.....

the only reason this election even happened is because the Dems in MA changed the law ot have it. They wanted it, they got it.

As a conservative living in MA, I feel like when Ralphie beat up Scott Farcas in A Christmas Story.

Yeah this was based on fears of what Romney would do when Kerry won in 2004.

There was an attractive woman outside of the polling area today that had a "we're going to brown town" sign.

 

[gkryhewy]

I'm in a VERY liberal town.

Really? Because you totally don't strike me as a reflexive contrarian or anything.

 

[The Librarian]

Didn't you say people were overreacting when they said Brown was going to win?

No?

 

[Averon]

Why the hell do Dems like to pick leaders that are from red or purple states? Dashcle from SD and Reid from NV. Both were either a from red state or red leaning state. Their leadership is neutered right off the bat because they're worried they may be perceived as "too liberal" in their state and worried about their own skin.

edit: I see Conservative GAF is coming out of the woodwork :lol

 

[Anticitizen One]

This is like joining the blue team in a Halo territories match and quickly realize your team isn't going to win the game because of too many idiots on your side.

 

[eznark]

they attributed teh health care bump today to the MA elections, but i dont understand how the potential killing fo the biggest hand out to the insurance industry improved their stocks

Equities LOVE gridlock.

 

[PhoenixDark]

You mean the same Hillary Clinton that was put in charge of healthcare reform fifteen years ago and couldn't manage to get it out of a single committee?

And that experience would surely help in 2008/9; plus, she wasn't president. Honestly, I think it would have passed by now.

This should have been in the bag. Instead they fumbled on the 1 yard line. The dems are fucking done.

 

[Pseudo_Sam]

The bill was fucking shit anyways, but christ. What a clusterfuck. That's a lot of wasted effort.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Thread title should be changed to, "PoliGAF Thread of PRESIDENT OBAMA's List getting fucked by Incompetent Democrats"

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

 

[Mooreberg]

This is like joining the blue team in a Halo territories match and quickly realize your team isn't going to win the game because of too many idiots on your side.

More like the other team is camping flag A and your team is throwing power drains off the man the cannon into the water near the mongoose with the concussion grenade spawn.

 

[RiskyChris]

Thank god there's no supermajority about which to feel hopeful anymore.

 

[gcubed]

The best part of all of this.....

the only reason this election even happened is because the Dems in MA changed the law to have it. They wanted it, they got it.

As a conservative living in MA, I feel like when Ralphie beat up Scott Farcas in A Christmas Story.

i dont really care about that though because its still the right thing to do, no matter who wins and what happens

 

[GaimeGuy]

Well hopefully he is actually a conservative... cut spending, balance the budget. That is all I want right now, a return to surplus and a strong economy. The dems pushing a costly healthcare plan when the economy is in shambles is their downfall. They should have led with extreme finance reforms, and they would still be rolling strong. There is not a political party anymore that is worth a damn, but at least this is good news in the short term. I want health care reform, but not when the country is massively in debt.

This is what I mean when I say conservatives are fucking idiots.

THE HEALTH CARE BILL REDUCES THE DEFICIT YOU DUMBASS.

 

[silverbullet1080]

Did I just miss something? All I see is outrage and horror as though someone just shot GAFs nutsack.

 

[PistolGrip]

they attributed teh health care bump today to the MA elections, but i dont understand how the potential killing fo the biggest hand out to the insurance industry improved their stocks

This just means Dems will have to bend over harder and give Insurance companies a bigger handout.

 

[Dooraven]

9:45 PM: Sen. Webb says no votes on Health Care in the senate until Brown is seated.

TPM

 

[The Librarian]

Thank god there's no supermajority about which to feel hopeful anymore.

There was never one to begin with. Having 58 seats, one reliable independent and one unreliable independent is not a supermajority.