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PoliGAF Thread of Republican's Turn at Conventions (Palin VP - READ OP)
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It does not, but the numbers today will be in line with yesterdays. Besides you can't simply look at a tracking poll to gauge the possibly effect of the final night. It's not just about convincing undecideds, but also about making current, but weak, supporters more comfortable with their pick.v1cious said:
BenjaminBirdie
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PhoenixDark said:
We've been talking here Chateau My House that the only way they might have thought this made sense is if they realized that this built in Scandal would give them:
a) The News Cycle Takeover
b) The Impetus For Her To Pull Herself Off The Ticket
c) The Veep McCain Wanted In The First Place
However, I don't think they realize, if this is the plan, how disastrous that would be for his campaign.
"He can't even pick his Vice President without flip flopping. Is this the judgement of someone fit to lead?"
"I'm Barack Obama, and I approve this message."
Easily the worst move in modern American politics, even if that isn't the plan. Hands down.
The Librarian
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What are you talking about? He's 8 points ahead.v1cious said:
WTF
this... can't include yesterday, right? it's just not possible
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v1cious said:
WTF
this... can't include yesterday, right? it's just not possible
yesterday had the whole VP thing dominating the airways. i called it earlier. the media was pushing that instead of the speech.
BenjaminBirdie
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Odrion said:
Damn I thought it would be a direct attack ad on Palin. That seemed pretty fine to me. "Look, you can see whatever you want, pick whoever you want. Your real running mate is the last Eight Years."
Not that shitty. Certainly not a fuck up.
Tyrone Slothrop
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Zeliard said:
i dunno... the Palin choice plus the RNC is going to give mccain a very significant bump. they're alot more energized now
BenjaminBirdie
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Tyrone Slothrop said:
I don't see how a whole day's news cycle of LOLWUT is going to help him immensely. As has been said several times, the base he's energizing is smaller than the base the Democrats just did.
BenjaminBirdie said:
Once the RNC finishes we will see, things were close before the DNC, then the bounce from his speech came. By next weekend I think we will know a lot more about where this was a interestingly smart pick or a god awful horrid pick.
I don't think it's as terrible as the media would lead you to believe, there's no good news if she is a normal person, how boring.
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The caveat about this pick is not only Palin's experience, it's also a test of McCain's judgment.Mumei said:
Palin as his pick has gone against everything McCain has attacked Obama on, and CAMPAIGNED on these past few months: McCain touts his experience as enough for the presidency, but doesn't think enough of the Vice-presidency to pick someone who could be seen as equally competent? Are these not the same things that McCain has blasted Obama on for months? McCain has talked about experience in foreign policy and war specifically, yet his candidate is disproportionately clueless about such matters. McCain (and the media) have attacked Joe Biden and said that he contradicts the change that Obama is pushing, then picks a candidate which invalidates his platform of experience? This is all forgetting that McCain had Lieberman all but picked as late as Sunday, which says that Palin's pick was a woman cash grab to shoot him into the presidency, when McCain infamously said of Obama:
"My opponent would rather lose a war and win a campaign".
Sarah Palin may be a sharp cookie, but she was a dumb decision and she (and McCain) are going to be absolutely demolished for it.
bob_arctor
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Odrion said:
I think it's fine actually. By not directly addressing Palin they in fact underscore how little is known of her and how she doesn't change McCain's bottom line at all anyway. No need to sling her through the mud yet as she was just named and nobody likes sour grapes.
BenjaminBirdie
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Branduil said:
Oh, no doubt the GOP had just as much to do with this colossal failure. He was backed into a corner directly because the party is in such shambles. However, he could have said, "Hey, fuck you guys. I'm running against a guy who couldn't be more of an antithesis to everything core conservatives believe in. You want him in office? Fine, douchebags. Stay home. I'm going to pick someone that will get me the inroads to independents and maybe put some states in play and, you know, win this fucker." Instead he said "Guys! Guys! Wait up! Here! Check it out! No one's talking about Obama's speech anymore and I picked someone who's totally conservative!" And meanwhile behind him you've got a group of people about twice the size of the group he's currently facing with their jaws on the floor.
He made the wrong choice and appealed to the wrong group when it comes to ultimate deciding factors in this election. He isn't running against a lethargic democratic candidate OR party. This is not 2004. He has failed and it will cost him the election. As has been said all month. He had a slim margin to win it but he had to fire on all cylinders until November.
Instead, he just unloaded his gun and picked up a book to read.
PhoenixDark
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quadriplegicjon said:
That poll concluded on teh 28th, and was released on the 29th (yesterday). It doesn't include any effects the Obama speech had. Amir0x said a new one is coming out later today
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PhoenixDark said:
ah. well. i still dont expect a huge jump if any.
DeaconKnowledge
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Odrion said:
Let's be honest: asserting her as a threat would have been the dumb decision. Ignoring her completely makes her look like a non-issue to the election, and i'm sure that's how the Dems will paint her for months.
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DeaconKnowledge
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On another point entirely, I think the Palin pick will backfire even for the means it was intended: women voters.
I think most women are going to shy away from Palin because of her lack of experience; they don't want the first woman in office to be a complete disaster. Hillary made more sense as she was a seasoned politician who's already handled power. Palin's a virtual unknown who has barely any credentials in Washington.
I think most women are going to shy away from Palin because of her lack of experience; they don't want the first woman in office to be a complete disaster. Hillary made more sense as she was a seasoned politician who's already handled power. Palin's a virtual unknown who has barely any credentials in Washington.
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Obama picked someone that would make him a better president
McCain picked someone that would make him a better candidate
McCain picked someone that would make him a better candidate
TheKingsCrown
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The Palin pick effect won't be felt in polls for a while, and it will affect multiple polls, including Obama's experience etc. Its all down from here unless Obama screws up horribly.
Mumei said:
Heh.
Women are more skeptical of Palin than men.
A lot of women are pissed off at the Palin choice because they rightfully consider it very sexist and condescending (the reasoning behind her pick being at least partly that she's a woman and would thus appeal automatically to other women). Even some ladies on the right are annoyed. Not Bay Buchanan, though, of course.
BenjaminBirdie
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Mumei said:
Heh.
Women are more skeptical of Palin than men.
Man. Just keeps getting better.
Also, had to LOL at this First Read comment:
adamsappel
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I really was worried about McCain choosing a female candidate. Someone like Christie Todd Whitman would have really drawn in the disaffected Hillary-only-voters. She was also a maverick. Probably pro-choice, but I can't believe this is such a deal-breaker for Republicans. Roe v. Wade might get overturned, but abortion itself is never going to be banned nationally. How does the VP even affect that agenda, if the President feels the opposite?
Palin's laughter on the radio sounded like a shocked/nervous giggle to me. Yeah, she should have called them out, but I assume Alaska doesn't have much of a radio market and she didn't want to burn bridges. I've laughed at plenty of things in poor taste that I should have called people out on.
The "what does the VP even do?" comment was the standard response prior to Cheney. I won't hold that against her, either. As has been pointed out here, except for Cheney, the duties are go to state and international funerals, break ties in the Senate and wait for the President to die.
The video of Karl Rove dismissing Tim Kaine as a lightweight, inexperienced choice (which I don't disagree with) is a gold mine. Has he made one of those hypocritical about-faces to praise her to the heavens? Nothing wrong with talking up the positive side of her (unsullied by DC, pro-life, pro-NRA, popular with constituents, corruption-buster), but to use proximity to the Bering Straight and PTA duties as examples of political experience is laughable. ObamaGAF readily acknowledges the fact that Biden needs to shut his big, fat mouth lest he trip up their chances, and yet RepubliGAF refuses to even question Palin's credentials. Talk about a cult mindset.
Palin's laughter on the radio sounded like a shocked/nervous giggle to me. Yeah, she should have called them out, but I assume Alaska doesn't have much of a radio market and she didn't want to burn bridges. I've laughed at plenty of things in poor taste that I should have called people out on.
The "what does the VP even do?" comment was the standard response prior to Cheney. I won't hold that against her, either. As has been pointed out here, except for Cheney, the duties are go to state and international funerals, break ties in the Senate and wait for the President to die.
The video of Karl Rove dismissing Tim Kaine as a lightweight, inexperienced choice (which I don't disagree with) is a gold mine. Has he made one of those hypocritical about-faces to praise her to the heavens? Nothing wrong with talking up the positive side of her (unsullied by DC, pro-life, pro-NRA, popular with constituents, corruption-buster), but to use proximity to the Bering Straight and PTA duties as examples of political experience is laughable. ObamaGAF readily acknowledges the fact that Biden needs to shut his big, fat mouth lest he trip up their chances, and yet RepubliGAF refuses to even question Palin's credentials. Talk about a cult mindset.
bob_arctor
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Agent Icebeezy said:
On the latter, I suppose she's the Holly Homemaker to his Old Man Yells At Cloud. Even then, I still don't see how this makes him a better candidate.
Deus Ex Machina
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where did that come from?Mumei said:
Heh.
Women are more skeptical of Palin than men.
Mermandala
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Branduil said:
Uncle Tom's Uterus?
Isn't it about time for the most recent Gallups? WHERE ARE MY GALLUPS, POLIGAF?
Also, I think we should start a petition to get amirox taken out of charge of poligaf. The threads are massive, bloated whale carcasses and he over moderates. WAH WAH WAH, SOMEONE SAID A BAD WORD OR CALLED ME A NAME. This is POLITICS, you wankers.
Also, I think we should start a petition to get amirox taken out of charge of poligaf. The threads are massive, bloated whale carcasses and he over moderates. WAH WAH WAH, SOMEONE SAID A BAD WORD OR CALLED ME A NAME. This is POLITICS, you wankers.
Tyrone Slothrop
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numble said:
i saw it at fivethirtyeight
adamsappel said:
Dissing Tim Kaine has apparently become the main tactic on the right now to respond to the Palin lambasting ("But Kaine has only been governor for less than 3 years"). Nevermind that he wasn't even picked as VP, and that he runs Virginia, a considerably more important and critical state than Alaska in many ways. When you have nothing else to go on, attack the guy that's not on the ticket.
Crayon Shinchan
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Branduil said:
Wait. Did you just equate slavery with pro-choice?
BenjaminBirdie
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bob_arctor said:
:lol
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I think Obama locked up a big chunk of fence sitters. I don't think that 49 is going to move too much. Maybe drop a bit after the RNC, but not by much.
Crayon Shinchan
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Branduil said:
wait. did you just equate slaves to fetuses?
slaves aren't humans! They've barely developed!
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