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[typhonsentra]

I'm proud you guys put a stop to that smear bullshit. Sometimes people can be real hypocrites when it comes to politics but I'm glad the admins here recognized the problem right away.

 

[Juice]

My wife and her girlfriends, which were not going to vote in this election are now saying they will be voting McCain because of Palin's values.

How does it feel to be married to someone who doesn't get it?

 

[acksman]

How does it feel to be married to someone who doesn't get it?

I would rather her vote than not, and she gets it, with her belief system and not yours.

See, attacking like that does no good other than drive people off and not partake in the this great democratic system we have. If we drive everyone off and no one votes, we may lose more rights than you wish.

 

[Arde5643]

I would rather her vote than not, and she gets it, with her belief system and not yours.

See, attacking like that does no good other than drive people off and not partake in the this great democratic system we have. If we drive everyone off and no one votes, we may lose more rights than you wish.

THe biggest problem with democracy is that it lets anyone vote.

 

[reilo]

Thompson: "I don't know any male political in the party, [Palin] who could match her in fighting and getting rid of corruption in politics."

Whaaaat. Maybe not in the RNC :lol

 

[M3wThr33]

I would rather her vote than not, and she gets it, with her belief system and not yours.

See, attacking like that does no good other than drive people off and not partake in the this great democratic system we have. If we drive everyone off and no one votes, we may lose more rights than you wish.

How many kids do you have?
(I ask because I want to know if your wife agrees with her opinions on birth control, too. Or lack thereof)

 

[thekad]

I would rather her vote than not, and she gets it, with her belief system and not yours.

This isn't really a great position to take when you think about it, but okay.

 

[acksman]

THe biggest problem with democracy is that it lets anyone vote.

So, who would you like to emulate or what type of system would you like to emulate?

Communism?
Totalitarian?
Socialist?

Shall I continue? I don't get it, do you hate freedom?

 

[reilo]

Debbie Wasserman Schultz: "I know Hillary Clinton, and Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton."

Rick Sanchez: "Don't you think she was picked to shore up the evangelical vote?"

Debbie: "If McCain has to shore up the evangelical vote, then he is in worse shape than anyone thought."

Just now on CNN.

 

[acksman]

This isn't really a great position to take when you think about it, but okay.

I think about it quite a bit, what do you think is the correct answer if we only let certain people vote and how do we decide it?

 

[demon]

I would rather her vote than not, and she gets it, with her belief system and not yours.

See, attacking like that does no good other than drive people off and not partake in the this great democratic system we have. If we drive everyone off and no one votes, we may lose more rights than you wish.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
-Winston Churchill

 

[Price Dalton]

So, who would you like to emulate or what type of system would you like to emulate?

Communism?
Totalitarian?
Socialist?

Shall I continue? I don't get it, do you hate freedom?

Obviously. He probably also hates America.

 

[Fragamemnon]

Thompson: "I don't know any male political in the party, [Palin] who could match her in fighting and getting rid of corruption in politics."

Whaaaat. Maybe not in the RNC :lol

You know, the RNC should REALLY steer clear of making any part of this campaign about corruption. Keating Five would BURY McCain if corruption was something that was front and center, whereas Obama is pretty much sqeaky clean.

 

[Arde5643]

So, who would you like to emulate or what type of system would you like to emulate?

Communism?
Totalitarian?
Socialist?

Shall I continue? I don't get it, do you hate freedom?

Cue Bush talking points much?

In the GAF-sphere, if you see statements like mine, you can either think I'm serious or I'm being sarcastic. Take your pick.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

"So, who would you like to emulate or what type of system would you like to emulate?

Communism?
Totalitarian?
Socialist?

Shall I continue? I don't get it, do you hate freedom?"


? You were just whining yourself that she shouldn't vote...

 

[numble]

Hey acksman, just curious--what state do you live in?

 

[acksman]

How many kids do you have?

And that has to do with? (be careful here, we don't want to cross that line do we?)

 

[Arde5643]

I think about it quite a bit, what do you think is the correct answer if we only let certain people vote and how do we decide it?

That's the thing - it's the good thing as well as bad thing for democracy.

Fortunately, our democratic process isn't an absolute democracy, otherwise it'll be quite anarchic in nature.

 

[Fragamemnon]

THe biggest problem with democracy is that it lets anyone vote.

We should have a real throw down of a thread about this after the election is over. Democracy sucks balls, but really in order to maintain a proper modern society it's a necessary evil.

 

[Juice]

Hmm, thinking about improving the democracy, I'd probably start by introducing range voting with a run-off election that intermingled candidates from both parties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_voting


If there were any reasonable way to come up with a system to introduce a civics exam (a la Chinese meritocracy) as a prerequisite to voting (or offering a double or triple vote to those with particularly high aptitudes), we'd probably be better off in the short and long term.

 

[tyguy20204]

I would rather her vote than not, and she gets it, with her belief system and not yours.

See, attacking like that does no good other than drive people off and not partake in the this great democratic system we have. If we drive everyone off and no one votes, we may lose more rights than you wish.

I have no problem with her voting, and in fact, I think it's great that she's going to vote. However, she clearly doesn't "get it" if she's gone from not voting at all to voting simply because of the selection of this VP.

 

[reilo]

Hmm, thinking about improving the democracy, I'd probably start by introducing range voting with a run-off election that intermingled candidates from both parties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_voting


If there were any reasonable way to come up with a system to introduce a civics exam (a la Chinese meritocracy) as a prerequisite to voting (or offering a double or triple vote to those with particularly high aptitudes), we'd probably be better off in the short and long term.

Terrible ideas.

 

[Juice]

Terrible ideas.

Touché, I hadn't realized that before.

 

[Byakuya769]

Well, to a Christian individual who either drinks the Kool-Aid or actually reads the scriptures, it's easy to make the case that human life begins at (or in some cases, pre-) conception. If 'God knit you in your mother's womb', then to cancel that process out on your own at any time would and has been construed to be counter to God's will, selfish, sinful, etc. etc.

Though the argument could be made that being omnipotent and ever present God knows you because you existed. (past present future.. means little to a being who knows it all before it plays out). So he knew me when he created me in the womb, simply because I exist now.

However, perhaps those aborted fetuses are never known. Think the issue has be oversimplified, even theologically.

 

[thekad]

I think about it quite a bit, what do you think is the correct answer if we only let certain people vote and how do we decide it?

Racists, sexists, etc. kind of throw your "belief system, America fuck yeah!" argument out the window. But as Frag said, a necessary evil.

 

[PS2 KID]

So, who would you like to emulate or what type of system would you like to emulate?

Communism?
Totalitarian?
Socialist?

Shall I continue? I don't get it, do you hate freedom?

I'm for Skynet. If it manages to finish off the Human Species aka Dinosaurs 2.0 and replace it with logic based lifeforms who do not pollute the planet, or commit acts of violence such as murder, assault, rape etc. I think the world would be a better place.

Of course most of my species strongly oppose this view and personally, I can't blame them.

 

[Juice]

Though the argument could be made that being omnipotent and ever present God knows you because you existed. (past present future.. means little to a being who knows it all before it plays out). So he knew me when he created me in the womb, simply because I exist now.

However, perhaps those aborted fetuses are never known. Think the issue has be oversimplified, even theologically.

It's a valid line of reasoning, and I've tried it on Christians before, but it's never gotten the slightest bit of traction. The largest barrier to conceiving (har) the idea is that God didn't "knit you" in the womb for fun, he did it because he needs to because we're so complicated and there's no way a bunch of goop in a vagina would figure out how to form itself into baby parts on its own.

Therefore, if aborting a baby results in a fetus that looks like a bunch of baby parts, that means God did some knitting, and you done gone unknit it.

 

[Byakuya769]

It's a valid line of reasoning, and I've tried it on Christians before, but it's never gotten the slightest bit of traction. The largest barrier to conceiving (har) the idea is that God didn't "knit you" in the womb for fun, he did it because he needs to because we're so complicated and there's no way a bunch of goop in a vagina would figure out how to form itself into baby parts on its own.

Therefore, if aborting a baby results in a fetus that looks like a bunch of baby parts, that means God did some knitting, and you done gone unknit it.

Yea, I know the idea would fall flat on about 99%. Though I wonder how the reaction would be to the question of whether or not medicating birth defects is fooling with his machinations?

I'm pro-life btw, just don't think there's such a simple litmus test to the issue.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

they need to take moral views out of the issues for the presidential race.

let's elect the best man to run the country.

and then let the people vote for moral things like abortion and marijuana

i'm sick of people voting for the conservative guy for their views on gay marriage and abortion. wake up and smell the coffee. that's the least of our countries worries.

people are so afraid of change that produces friction with their belief system. history has shown what letting go of it does. we become less stupid for one.

 

[acksman]

So many replies, I knew I would strike some nerves.

I am not trying to start anything here, just trying to open the box and show that this is election has not been won by anyone yet.

Obviously. He probably also hates America.

Personal attacks? interesting, why would I not love America? Do you hate America?

Cue Bush talking points much?

In the GAF-sphere, if you see statements like mine, you can either think I'm serious or I'm being sarcastic. Take your pick.

No problem I did not say who I was voting for either did I? I visit a few boards and this is a great board and can get quite the gang mentality as most boards at times.

" ? You were just whining yourself that she shouldn't vote...

Nope reread what I typed, I am glad she is voting.

Hey acksman, just curious--what state do you live in?

Texas (Don't lump me into the stereotypical Texan though, I did not say who I was voting for)



I think I got to everyone there.

 

[adamsappel]

So you lied to your mother cause you want Obama to win? Ok, buddy.

He's not your buddy, pal.

 

[acksman]

We should have a real throw down of a thread about this after the election is over. Democracy sucks balls, but really in order to maintain a proper modern society it's a necessary evil.

I like this idea, although it scares me a bit that there seems to be quite a few wanting to abolish or change Democracy in this country.

 

[Fragamemnon]

I like this idea, although it scares me a bit that there seems to be quite a few wanting to abolish or change Democracy in this country.

Some of us can want it, but what can we really replace it with? Outside of letting Drinky Crow run the country there aren't really any other good options.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Terrible ideas.

What's wrong with the civics exam?

Fuck... just a test as simple as; What is the name of the democratic presidential and vice presidential, and the republican presidential and vice presidential candidates...

would get rid of a few uninformed votes.

A simple test that 15-30 minutes of reading up on both candidates policy positions would help you pass with flying colors would be about right.

 

[acksman]

I have no problem with her voting, and in fact, I think it's great that she's going to vote. However, she clearly doesn't "get it" if she's gone from not voting at all to voting simply because of the selection of this VP.

What I am hoping, is she will start getting involved and doing more study on the candidates, which I think she will.

 

[VanMardigan]

It's a valid line of reasoning, and I've tried it on Christians before, but it's never gotten the slightest bit of traction. The largest barrier to conceiving (har) the idea is that God didn't "knit you" in the womb for fun, he did it because he needs to because we're so complicated and there's no way a bunch of goop in a vagina would figure out how to form itself into baby parts on its own.

Therefore, if aborting a baby results in a fetus that looks like a bunch of baby parts, that means God did some knitting, and you done gone unknit it.

I personally believe life begins at conception, so you know where I stand on the abortion debate. The verse in Psalms that talks about God knowing us in the womb is pretty strong evidence for believers like myself. But, otherwise, were would we draw the line? Even Obama demurred when asked that question.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Some of us can want it, but what can we really replace it with? Outside of letting Drinky Crow run the country there aren't really any other good options.

Possibly start by having a professional politician school, where been a politician is a career path, like been a doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc?

 

[Arde5643]

Personal attacks? interesting, why would I not love America? Do you hate America?

I think that was referring to me since you mentioned how I hated freedom so much.


The hate America thing is so Bushie like though, which likely means you're being sarcastic.

 

[thekad]

It scares you that people want to change a democracy which appointed one of our most incompetent presidents? You part of that 29%, aren't you?

 

[Macam]

they need to take moral views out of the issues for the presidential race.

let's elect the best man to run the country.

and then let the people vote for moral things like abortion and marijuana

You're mixing up morals with wedge issues, not that anyone can fault you for that given how the topics are covered by most. Abortion may be a moral issue, and there are moral values embedded in some of the topics you mentioned, but by and large, they're just ridiculous topics used as part of the culture wars that many pundits and some strategists like to cultivate.

 

[SRG01]

Debbie Wasserman Schultz: "I know Hillary Clinton, and Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton."

Rick Sanchez: "Don't you think she was picked to shore up the evangelical vote?"

Debbie: "If McCain has to shore up the evangelical vote, then he is in worse shape than anyone thought."

Just now on CNN.

Actually, she has a very good point. I'm guessing the Obama-muslim smears were in part because of fear that he is a stronger Christian than most of the Republican candidates.

 

[VanMardigan]

He's not your buddy, pal.

Are you my buddy?

please?

 

[Macam]

I personally believe life begins at conception, so you know where I stand on the abortion debate. The verse in Psalms that talks about God knowing us in the womb is pretty strong evidence for believers like myself. But, otherwise, were would we draw the line? Even Obama demurred when asked that question.

Let's not get into the abortion debate for the millionth time here. That said, Obama's line about both parties wanting to reduce abortions from Thursday night's speech is a more appropriate starting point to touching the subject that immediately jumping to where people should start drawing the lines.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

I personally believe life begins at conception, so you know where I stand on the abortion debate. The verse in Psalms that talks about God knowing us in the womb is pretty strong evidence for believers like myself. But, otherwise, were would we draw the line? Even Obama demurred when asked that question.

Probably when whatever unique to the function of a living human begins... as opposed to a corpse, or a warm body?

Protip: It's something that happens in your brain.

 

[acksman]

It scares you that people want to change a democracy which appointed one of our most incompetent presidents? You part of that 29%, aren't you?

I am taking as people wanting to change democracy in total, throw it away, and replace it with ______.

 

[adamsappel]

Regarding that Pledge/Founding Fathers thing-earlier in this thread I mentioned that she was going to have a debate performance even worse than that of Admiral Stockdale in '92-I still stand behind that, because he just isn't a very smart person.

I don't often quote Dennis Miller, but:

"Now I know (Stockdale's name has) become a buzzword in this culture for doddering old man, but let's look at the record, folks. The guy was the first guy in and the last guy out of Vietnam, a war that many Americans, including our present President, did not want to dirty their hands with. The reason he had to turn his hearing aid on at that debate is because those fucking animals knocked his eardrums out when he wouldn't spill his guts. He teaches philosophy at Stanford University, he's a brilliant, sensitive, courageous man. And yet he committed the one unpardonable sin in our culture: he was bad on television."

 

[FightyF]

I personally believe life begins at conception, so you know where I stand on the abortion debate. The verse in Psalms that talks about God knowing us in the womb is pretty strong evidence for believers like myself. But, otherwise, were would we draw the line? Even Obama demurred when asked that question.

The abortion debate belongs to those deciding to do it. Not to politicians.

 

[Price Dalton]

I think that was referring to me since you mentioned how I hated freedom so much.


The hate America thing is so Bushie like though, which likely means you're being sarcastic.

Well, since you hate freedom so much, doesn't it follow that you also hate America?

I bet you have an up-to-date passport, too.

 

[pxleyes]

Are you my buddy?

please?

*vrrroooom* that's the sound of the joke going over your head.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

I am taking as people wanting to change democracy in total, throw it away, and replace it with ______.

Democracy can work... but it needs to be actively revamped in order to resist forces that seek to corrupt it (willingly or unwillingly).

Seek to optimize it; because in its unoptimized state, what do you get? what do you get? Incompetence in its leaders brought about by incompetence in its citizens.

In such a state, the value of a democracy is overblown.