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[Amir0x]

MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA: WHAT WILL HAPPEN?

- Date: May 31, 2008
- Expected Result: Some preliminary ruling on what happens to delegates from Michigan and Florida, who both broke the rules of the Democratic Primary process by moving their states primary dates forward.
- Why it's important: Because it's Hillary's only remaining possible avenue to the white house, even though the probability of it going her way and changing the result is 0.1%.
- ACTUAL Result: Florida = 105/67. Both Pledged and Supers cost half. Michigan = 69/59 Clinton/Obama delegate split. Also half vote. Harold Ickes says he was authorized by Clinton to take the Michigan ruling to the credentials committee. And Obama resigned from Trinity Church.

PUERTO RICO

- Date: June 1, 2008
- Expected Result: Hillary Clinton will win this large island U.S. territory by a significant margin. Finally, though, it's a place that ACTUALLY DOESN'T MATTER BY ANY METRIC in the general election.
- Why it's important: Because Ricky Martin endorsed Hillary Clinton, and that's the only vote that counts. Without the Ricky Martin vote, how can Obama expect to win in the general?
- ACTUAL Result: She won, big. 2-to-1.

MONTANA AND SOUTH DAKOTA

- Date: June 3, 2008
- Expected Result: Obama is leading Clinton in polls in both states by a fairly significant margin. Can't be arsed to look for the data, but he should win both.
- Why it's important: It's THE END. Of all the primary. Primary season is over, onward to the general election! Of course, in the meantime, we'll get to see Hillary Clinton's epic final hour.

 

[Amir0x]

Oh, and...

just got back from work UPDATE PLZ

 

[Tamanon]

It's....it's going to be ugly on Saturday with the protestors. I fear no matter what happens it's going to look bad.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

- Why it's important: It's THE END. Of all the primary. Primary season is over, onward to the general election! Of course, in the meantime, we'll get to see Hillary Clinton's epic final hour.

Clinton Issues Post-Primary Schedule (Yes, Post-Primary Schedule)

ABC News' Eloise Harper Reports: The press traveling with Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign received an email Thursday afternoon informing reporters they could sign up for travel through June 6 on the campaign website.

Given the speculation surrounding plausible outcomes from this Saturday's DNC Meeting and the final Democratic primaries on June 3, many confused looks passed between reporters on the back of the press bus.

When asked for comment, Clinton spokesman Jay Carson looked past Tuesday's primaries to the general election.

"There are a lot of places for us to go between June 4 and November," Carson said.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/clinton-preps-p.html

Seems like her final hour isn't soon :/

 

[Amir0x]

It's called the POST-PRIMARY schedule, but it's still the end

 

[Evlar]

Puerto Rico. Fun game.

 

[The Librarian]

Clinton Issues Post-Primary Schedule (Yes, Post-Primary Schedule)



http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/clinton-preps-p.html

Seems like her final hour isn't soon :/

Fuck, but awesome job with the OP Amir0x!

 

[lopaz]

Wow it ends just before my birthday. I get an Obama victory, what better present could a guy get?

 

[The Lamonster]

Advance photos from Saturday's circus rally meeting riot!

 

[WedgeX]

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/democratic-leaders-lean-on-superdelegates/index.html?hp

Hoping to bring the Democratic presidential nomination fight to an end, party leaders are intensifying their efforts to encourage remaining uncommitted superdelegates to make their choice public by the middle of next week.

In an interview Thursday on a San Francisco talk radio station, Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, said he had spoken with Speaker Nancy Pelosi earlier in the day, and they had agreed to take steps to avoid a contest that extends into the convention in August.

“We are going to urge folks to make a decision quickly – next week,” said Mr. Reid on station KGO. He said he had also spoken with party chairman Howard Dean on Wednesday night. (Audio: Interview starts at 8:15)

Mr. Reid’s comments came after Ms. Pelosi told the editorial board of the San Francisco Chronicle on Wednesday that she would intercede in the contest if it were not concluded by the end of June to bring it to a close.

The end of June comment makes me sad. Otherwise, lets get this done, unify/stump/etc. and go into general election mode (...and figure out some VP selections)!

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

For some reason the thread title inspired me to create this:

 

[CowboyAstronaut]

I already made my prediction in the other thread, but I'll make it here as well.

Hilary Clinton will run for President and be on the ballot in November even after Obama gets the Democratic Nomination.

She will run as a third party candidate.

 

[Tamanon]

For some reason the thread title inspired me to create this:

Dammit man, that's "The Day that Evil Won"

 

[Suikoguy]

I already made my prediction in the other thread, but I'll make it here as well.

Hilary Clinton will run for President and be on the ballot in November even after Obama gets the Democratic Nomination.

She will run as a third party candidate.

If that happens, Mccain is president, and she ruins any chance of ever becoming president, in other words, it won't happen.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Dammit man, that's "The Day that Evil Won"

I should have added "7 of 7" on the top.

;D

 

[Star Power]

I already made my prediction in the other thread, but I'll make it here as well.

Hilary Clinton will run for President and be on the ballot in November even after Obama gets the Democratic Nomination.

She will run as a third party candidate.

She's not stupid. There's no way this will happen.

 

[The Lamonster]

She's not stupid.

really?

 

[thekad]

In an effort to out-crazy CowboyAstronaut's insane ramblings I predict:

Hillary will be McCain's VP.

 

[ronito]

 

[GhaleonEB]

Delgates up for grabs:

Puerto Rico - 56
Montana - 16
South Dakota - 15

Clinton will be the nominee if she wins 231% of these 87 delegates.

 

[Undeux]

I already made my prediction in the other thread, but I'll make it here as well.

Hilary Clinton will run for President and be on the ballot in November even after Obama gets the Democratic Nomination.

She will run as a third party candidate.

She's not an idiot - if she crosses the democratic party like that her career will never be the same. There's no way she would take it that far.

 

[The Lamonster]

Delgates up for grabs:

Puerto Rico - 56
Montana - 16
South Dakota - 15

Clinton will be the nominee if she wins 231% of these 87 delegates.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

What is the image? Photobucket is blocked at work

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/05/27/halle-berry-obama/

 

[The Lamonster]

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/05/27/halle-berry-obama/

I appreciate it, but this one is blocked too. I can just check it out from home in about 30 mins. Thanks though!

 

[CowboyAstronaut]

She's not stupid. There's no way this will happen.

I use to think like this once, but I've seen the light. There is nothing too stupid for Hilary and Bill Clinton.

If this campaign ends for them with Obama going on to get all this attention in the General Election with her just being an afterthought it will further solidify the Clinton's fall from grace. Should Obama become President, it will be even worse. I can already imagine that people from the film industry and television media are waiting quietly for this entire drama to unfold so they can report about how embarrassing and disappointing this entire thing has been for the Clintons and their legacy.

Hilary as a third party candidate would be the most popular and most formidable third party candidate for President in the history of this country.

Don't underestimate what she is willing to do. I know this sounds like paranoia on my part, but I suspect pretty soon it will it be substantiated.

thekad has it. Hilary to be McCain VP!

 

[Tamanon]

Debbie Wasserman Schultz should not be a Florida politician, she sounds so much like a Jersey girl.

:lol and Matthews just nailed her.

Basically about taking her to task for all her talk of the will of the people being the most important bit but at the same time that superdelegates should override the elected delegates.

 

[kkaabboomm]

I'm on my iPhone/edge but...
chuck Todd wizard at firstread is saying the current compromise is accept pop vote from Florida and give each delegate half a vote - netting Clinton 19. Disregard the Michigan vote and split it 50-50 giving each delegate half a vote- making the new number 2118. Sorry no link and if this was mentioned in the earlier thread, I'm moving so I had to turn in my cable modem. I like the compromise- it negates the 'popular vote' crap and ends the delegate stuff too.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

One man's problem with Obama 'He's a Muslim, and I don't like what his pastor says'

http://www.kentucky.com/news/state/story/414800.html

"I think one of the big problems for him is he's Muslim," said Jimmy Sizemore, the highest elected official in the county. "It's his religion, plus when his pastor came out and started talking, that was a problem, but that's just my opinion."I don't think it's because he's black, what everybody says is he is a Muslim."

When pastorgate first broke, I said at least it would dispel the Muslim rumors; unfortunately I didn't anticipate a double dose of stupid.

 

[Tamanon]

Honestly though, half the people who hate him for being Muslim probably don't even know what Muslim is, they just assume it's another word for any religion that hates America and Freedom.

 

[CowboyAstronaut]

I'm on my iPhone/edge but...
chuck Todd wizard at firstread is saying the current compromise is accept pop vote from Florida and give each delegate half a vote - netting Clinton 19. Disregard the Michigan vote and split it 50-50 giving each delegate half a vote- making the new number 2118. Sorry no link and if this was mentioned in the earlier thread, I'm moving so I had to turn in my cable modem. I like the compromise- it negates the 'popular vote' crap and ends the delegate stuff too.

Sounds good to me. Keep things fair. It's bad enough that they are being counted in the first place considering the pledges by the candidates.

 

[Amir0x]

When asked if he had ever researched the fact that Obama -- and the Rev. Wright -- are Christians, Sizemore said: "I don't care about finding out because I'm a Republican."

:lol

Well, at least the Republican party can KEEP the stupid

 

[Madman]

If that happens, Mccain is president, and she ruins any chance of ever becoming president, in other words, it won't happen.

Don't be surprised if one or both of those things happen.

 

[iapetus]

I'm on my iPhone/edge but...
chuck Todd wizard at firstread is saying the current compromise is accept pop vote from Florida and give each delegate half a vote - netting Clinton 19. Disregard the Michigan vote and split it 50-50 giving each delegate half a vote- making the new number 2118. Sorry no link and if this was mentioned in the earlier thread, I'm moving so I had to turn in my cable modem. I like the compromise- it negates the 'popular vote' crap and ends the delegate stuff too.

Ludicrous suggestion. Having been kept waiting so long, any votes cast for Hillary in these states should count double. At least.

 

[BurntBacon]

I use to think like this once, but I've seen the light. There is nothing too stupid for Hilary and Bill Clinton.

If this campaign ends for them with Obama going on to get all this attention in the General Election with her just being an afterthought it will further solidify the Clinton's fall from grace. Should Obama become President, it will be even worse. I can already imagine that people from the film industry and television media are waiting quietly for this entire drama to unfold so they can report about how embarrassing and disappointing this entire thing has been for the Clintons and their legacy.

Hilary as a third party candidate would be the most popular and most formidable third party candidate for President in the history of this country.

Don't underestimate what she is willing to do. I know this sounds like paranoia on my part, but I suspect pretty soon it will it be substantiated.

thekad has it. Hilary to be McCain VP!

Teddy Roosevelt would like a word with you.....

 

[worldrunover]

Just listened to Clinton's speech in SD. The first part sounded like it was ripped directly from an Obama speech (about the tax rate, etc) and then she got into how she's winning the pop. vote and battled on even though people told her to get out in January (like, um who?). She also stated that by every coceivable piece of evidence gathered (ever in the history of mankind, possibly) she is going to beat John McCain and Obama is going to go down worse than Mondale.

So basically, nothing new.

 

[pxleyes]

:lol :lol :lol

 

[AmishNazi]

Almost over now. Yay.

 

[quietcrown]

:lol

There shouldn't be a pawn in row 8 though.

 

[sangreal]

Just listened to Clinton's speech in SD. The first part sounded like it was ripped directly from an Obama speech (about the tax rate, etc) and then she got into how she's winning the pop. vote and battled on even though people told her to get out in January (like, um who?). She also stated that by every coceivable piece of evidence gathered (ever in the history of mankind, possibly) she is going to beat John McCain and Obama is going to go down worse than Mondale.

So basically, nothing new.

If she is such a strong candidate why is she tens of millions in debt and losing the primary? A primary where she was "inevitable" mind you.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

Honestly though, half the people who hate him for being Muslim probably don't even know what Muslim is, they just assume it's another word for any religion that hates America and Freedom.

It only get's worse...*ahem*

When asked if he had ever researched the fact that Obama -- and the Rev. Wright -- are Christians, Sizemore said: "I don't care about finding out because I'm a Republican."

There, now it's a triple dose of stupid

 

[titiklabingapat]

Pelosi and Reid are now asking super delegates to pick between now and next week and issuing them warnings.

Might be old but this was just on CNN.

 

[so_awes]

oh man she's going to drag this out to the convention

 

[sangreal]

oh man she's going to drag this out to the convention

Obama's take:

In a question and answer session Wednesday night with reporters on his campaign plane between Denver and Chicago, the Illinois senator dismissed the idea that rival Hillary Clinton's stated willingness to take her fight for the nomination to the party convention in late August would matter.

"When Dukakis won the nomination, you know, Jesse (Jackson) was still running until the convention," Obama said. "When Bill Clinton was running, Jerry Brown was still technically in it. As far as I can tell, this is fairly standard fare."

Ron Paul is taking it to the convention too

 

[Azure Dream]

:lol

There shouldn't be a pawn in row 8 though.

Or a typo in the first "forfeit".

What's with all of the political videos on Youtube going Private/Invite-Only so quickly? I dug up the previous PoliGAF thread and saw a recent link to a "Young Hillary Clinton" video, but when I went to watch it, invite-only. I went through search, found it that way, still the same effect. Even some of the Obama videos and commercials had that happen to it. What good does that do?

Edit: Seems to work with a different link now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAu39I5QOUc

 

[worldrunover]

Obama's take:


Ron Paul is taking it to the convention too

This is the best part of this whole thing. Obama is acting like "yeah, well she can do whatever she wants. Now onto McCain..."

He's completely minimizing her. I love it.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Pelosi and Reid are now asking super delegates to pick between now and next week and issuing them warnings.

Might be old but this was just on CNN.

Warnings? Are they trying to play into Hillary's hands :lol

 

[The Librarian]

:lol

 

[GhaleonEB]

Another super for Obama - from West Virginia. 2 for Obama, 1 for Clinton today.

Obama picked up the support of West Virginia congressman and superdelegate Alan Mollohan. Obama now actually leads Clinton 4-3 in superdelegate endorsements in a state she won by 41 percentage points. Additionally, the Obama supporters are all elected officials, including Sen. Robert Byrd. Gov. Joe Manchin is the only elected superdelegate not to have endorsed yet.

Clinton got Washington state party vice chair Eileen Macoll, which we reported on earlier. In First Thoughts, we mentioned the Obama pick up of Gail Rasmussen from Oregon.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/29/1078564.aspx

Also:

HURON, SD -- Saying it "really all does come down to next Tuesday," Hillary Clinton said that the enthusiasm she's seen among South Dakotans proves that she was right to fight to the bitter end of the campaign calendar.

That's right. It's all down to those 31 delegates up for grabs on Tuesday.

 

[speculawyer]

How did Obama get 3 rooks? Affirmative action?

 

[Tamanon]

How did Obama get 3 rooks? Affirmative action?

One of the Rooks switched support from Clinton to Obama.