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[Particle Physicist]

Why do you assume that people who voted for Trump are ok with that? Are you ok with people lashing out against people who voted for Trump? Did you think it was a possibility that some may lash out if Hillary didn't win?

OK, here's some context:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1311582
In this thread, what I assume are Hillary voters condemning it while even on the first page people are asking for context on why that white dude is getting the everloving shit kicked out of him and then gets driven off while his arm is stuck in the window while people are yelling he voted for Trump.

Are you okay with this? I bet you aren't.

Why are you assuming that everyone who voted for Trump is ok with any of this?

This one video will be used by Trump defenders for eternity won't it? Anyway. People were asking for context because it's the bystanders yelling about Trump. The people actually involved in the altercation show absolutely no hints at motivation.

 

[- J - D -]

How come you're the ones who need to move aside?

It's not like that. She's doing us a favor, if anything. Turns out Thanksgiving dinner may not be happening this year, period, so in the end it's probably a wash.

 

[RiccochetJ]

Why wouldn't I assume they're okay with that? Trump broadcasted his bigoted views through a megaphone for months and they still voted for him.

Ain't no lashing out going on, just calling it like I see it.

Of course I'm not okay with that. Doesn't change the fact that for that one (legitimate or not) example we have literally dozens of other threads on Trump supporters harassing minorities, women, and the LGBT community. It doesn't change the fact that Trump threw the dog whistles into the bushes and put his bigotry on display for all to see. Doesn't change the fact that people still voted for him despite it. Where are the Trump supporters condemning the hateful actions of his supporters? Where are the Trump supporters supporting the right of people to peacefully protest? Where are the Trump supporters railing against him potentially appointing a white supremacist as Secretary of State?

You appear to be trying desperately to equivocate his desire to revoke basic human rights from disadvantaged groups (and his supporters' still supporting him despite it) to a simple political difference.

Not sure what you're trying to teach me with that middle paragraph rant there. You may as well said, "Why didn't I know about these voters leading up to the election?"

Dan Carlin and Michael Moore were very up front in stating that a lot of these people were more concerned about where rent and food were coming from instead of social issues.

Michael Moore on what Trump said to the economic club:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeYbEOSqYc

It sucks. It really, really sucks. But people don't give a flying fuck if you're allowed to get married or how you specify yourself sexually while they're trying to figure out where their next mortgage payment or rent is coming from. That's the least of their worries. When Trump comes along and guarantees that your middle class job may be coming back and backs it up with threats of tariffs? Wooo!

Some of these people believed Trump. They especially believed him when he said that he knew how to abuse the system and would cut off those abuses.

I can't prove in any way that there were blinders, but there were blinders as obvious as the light of day.

Just as there were blinders when the DNC decided that it was Hillary's turn to be the nominee.

Edit: The Youtube vid I posted wasn;t complete. Here's Michael Moore accompanying the rest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc7XIsC6KCg

 

[IndoAssassin]

Calling out people for voting for a bigot lost them the election?

No, automatically righting off people as a lost cause and assuming that there is nothing you can do except name call and degrade people who don't believe the same thing as you will win you the fight

Just like they segregate themselves from colored people you segregate yourselves from people who don't think like you rather than take the heat and persevere to educate.

Calling people racists, bigots, or whatever automatically segregates them from society. You have now engaged their ego and lost the chance to educate before it even began.

Maybe its a waste of time but in order to change one, you need to engage with many. However becoming offensive will always lose you the fight.

 

[Suikoguy]

Just as there were blinders when the DNC decided that it was Hillary's turn to be the nominee.

I was checking in to see if political conversation started returning to sanity.

Apparently we can't go a single fucking thread without Bernie somehow being brought into it.

With the same damn falsehoods.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Not sure what you're trying to teach me with that middle paragraph rant there. You may as well said, "Why didn't I know about these voters leading up to the election?"

Dan Carlin and Michael Moore were very up front in stating that a lot of these people were more concerned about where rent and food were coming from instead of social issues.

Michael Moore on what Trump said to the economic club:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeYbEOSqYc

It sucks. It really, really sucks. But people don't give a flying fuck if you're allowed to get married or how you specify yourself sexually while they're trying to figure out where their next mortgage payment or rent is coming from. That's the least of their worries. When Trump comes along and guarantees that your middle class job may be coming back and backs it up with threats of tariffs? Wooo!

Some of these people believed Trump. They especially believed him when he said that he knew how to abuse the system and would cut off those abuses.

I can't prove in any way that there were blinders, but there were blinders as obvious as the light of day.

Just as there were blinders when the DNC decided that it was Hillary's turn to be the nominee.

What does any of this have to do with me not approving of them voting for someone who ran on a campaign of bigotry?

I don't particularly give a fuck if they were more concerned with rent and food than basic human rights for people in this country - in fact, I'd suggest that that's kind of the issue. Not to mention the fact that Trump's campaign barely ever mentioned any actual policy and just tossed out generic plans that were never scrutinized or followed up on by his supporters.

If you want to give them a pass for taking Trump's hollow promises at the expense of religious freedom, or the fight against institutional racism, or the right of women to have control over their uteruses, go ahead. Do you. I'm damn sure not going to.

Noutomatically righting off people as a lost cause and assuming that there is nothing you can do except name call and degrade people who don't believe the same thing as you will win you the fight

Just like they segregate themselves from colored people you segregate yourselves from people who don't think like you rather than take the heat and persevere to educate.

Maybe its a waste of time but in order to change one, you need to engage with many. However becoming offensive will always lose you the fight.

"People who don't think like you"

That's a nice way of putting it. I would say that a more accurate way of describing it is that they're okay with denying basic human rights to various minority groups.

This isn't disagreeing on the military budget or on whether the war on drugs is worth continuing. Bigotry is not politics. It's non-negotiable, and I really hope that never changes.

 

[Keasar]

“I understand people’s fears, I really do,” she said. She would not say whom she had voted for. She added: “I really don’t think it’s going to be that bad. I don’t think they are going to change gay rights, women’s rights or other people’s rights.”

Have you been around these past 20 years and seen what the fuck Republicans do when they have the authority!? This is the first shit they do whenever they can! Their entire platform is to destroy human rights for anyone non-christian non-white non-male!

 

[Ventilaator]

Dan Carlin and Michael Moore were very up front in stating that a lot of these people were more concerned about where rent and food were coming from instead of social issues.

Exactly. Trump voters are so stupid they may not even know where food comes from, you can't expect them to care about minority rights and social issues.

 

[RJT]

Basically how I feel. Even if the WWC that previously voted Obama is salvageable, they just don't care.

No, it doesn't mean that necessarily. It can also mean ignorance of those around Trump. It can also mean some issues are more important for them. It can also mean misguided optimism. Just like not all people that voted for Hillary are ok with corruption in Washington, not all people that voted for Trump are ok with extreme racism.

I can't wait for Obama to come back from his neutral position and put some sense back into absolutist liberals (don't know what to call you guys).

 

[IndoAssassin]

"People who don't think like you"

That's a nice way of putting it. I would say that a more accurate way of describing it is that they're okay with denying basic human rights to various minority groups.

This isn't disagreeing on the military budget or on whether the war on drugs is worth continuing. Bigotry is not politics. It's non-negotiable, and I really hope that never changes.

Ok then educate me on how name calling accomplishes education? How segregating a populace accomplishes dialogue?

 

[cdyhybrid]

No, it doesn't mean that necessarily. It can also mean ignorance of those around Trump. It can also mean some issues are more important for them. It can also mean misguided optimism. Just like not all people that voted for Hillary are ok with corruption in Washington, not all people that voted for Trump are ok with extreme racism.

I can't wait for Obama to come back from his neutral position and put some sense back into liberals.

Dat false equivalency.

Not only did the FBI find nothing they could charge Hillary with, she didn't campaign on corruption in Washington.

Trump campaigned on racism.

Do better.

Ok then educate me on how name calling accomplishes education?

Pointing out the things they did is not name-calling.

That aside, a person can't solve their problem until they realize they have one.

 

[Switch Back 9]

Canada stay winning with Thanksgiving in October avoiding all this horror.

 

[RiccochetJ]

I was checking in to see if political conversation started returning to sanity.

Apparently we can't go a single fucking thread without Bernie somehow being brought into it.

With the same damn falsehoods.

I guess Sanity was to have Hillary be the Democrat nominee.

Out of all the unelectable nominees the Democrats could have had, this was the one.Yep. It was her turn. It was supposed to be her turn until that first term senator Barack shit things up. Not going to let it happen this time with that upstart Bernie.

The apple cart has been upset. Too bad we don't have another 30 years of Clinton policy. In history books, they will look at the past 20 years as the Clinton years. Some good, some bad, some with some delicious sex scandal to get people to read.

 

[cdyhybrid]

I guess Sanity was to have Hillary be the Democrat nominee.

Out of all the unelectable nominees the Democrats could have had, this was the one. But no. It was her turn. It was supposed to be her turn until that first term senator shit things up. Not going to let it happen this time with that upstart Bernie.

The apple cart has been upset. Too bad we don't have another 30 years of Clinton policy. In history books, they will look at the past 20 years as the Clinton years. Some good, some bad, some with some delicious sex scandal to get people to read.

Oh.

Your posts make a lot more sense now.

 

[RJT]

Dat false equivalency.

Not only did the FBI find nothing they could charge Hillary with, she didn't campaign on corruption in Washington.

Trump campaigned on racism.

Do better.

See, there are you with your assumptions. I'm not thinking about the FBI, I'm thinking about decades of legalized corruption in Washington from both sides. Clinton didn't campaign on it, but Trump actively campaigned against it (before you assume again - no, I don't believe Trump will actually do anything about it, but I can certainly see how one could be fooled).



Regardim racism, can you provide me a full quote from Trump that is clearly racist? I actually need that to source when I try to discuss with people outside my echo chamber. The "mexican are rapists" doesn't work, because he didn't actually say that (in context, it's not as bad as it looks). Not being snarky here, I actually want the worst things Trump said to show his more moderate supporters.

 

[excelsiorlef]

No, automatically righting off people as a lost cause and assuming that there is nothing you can do except name call and degrade people who don't believe the same thing as you will win you the fight

Just like they segregate themselves from colored people you segregate yourselves from people who don't think like you rather than take the heat and persevere to educate.

Calling people racists, bigots, or whatever automatically segregates them from society. You have now engaged their ego and lost the chance to educate before it even began.

Maybe its a waste of time but in order to change one, you need to engage with many. However becoming offensive will always lose you the fight.

They're not running for office.

 

[echoshifting]

Maybe she didn't want to antagonize her family/friends of hers that voted differently from her?

Makes me wonder why the two of you would just mock her like that.

Because of what she actually said.

 

[RiccochetJ]

Oh.

Your posts make a lot more sense now.

I thought it would have been obvious. Took you that long?

Maybe hate coulds your mind. Makes you blind.

Figures.

 

[cdyhybrid]

See, there are you with your assumptions. I'm not thinking about the FBI, I'm thinking about decades of legalized corruption in Washington from both sides. Clinton didn't campaign on it, but Trump actively campaigned against it (before you assume again - no, I don't believe Trump will actually do anything about it, but I can certainly see how one could be fooled).



Regardim racism, can you provide me a full quote from Trump that is clearly racist? I actually need that to source when I try to discuss with people outside my echo chamber. The "mexican are rapists" doesn't work, because he didn't actually say that (in context, it's not as bad as it looks). Not being snarky here, I actually want the worst things Trump said to show his more moderate supporters.

"Can you give me a quote from Trump that is clearly racist? The clearly racist one doesn't count though, because reasons." Not to mention the fact that he's got a white supremacist as one of his primary advisors and a myriad of other things, but yeah.

:lol

Carry on.

I thought it would have been obvious. Took you that long?

Maybe hate coulds your mind. Makes you blind.

Figures.

Yeah, I'm not familiar with your posting history.

I think it's kinda crappy that minorities have legitimate reason to fear for themselves in this country and you're still beating the drum for your favorite football team politician instead of trying to help, for what it's worth.

 

[EmpressInYellow]

No, it doesn't mean that necessarily. It can also mean ignorance of those around Trump. It can also mean some issues are more important for them. It can also mean misguided optimism.

"Some issues are more important to them" is pretty much EXACTLY what that quote is talking about. "Hey, man - look, I have nothing against your civil rights. But I'm not gonna, like, give up a possible tax cut to protect them, or anything."

It's entirely about people prioritizing something else over the fundamental humanity and well-being of minority groups in America.

As for "misguided optimism"...I mean, even if they thought Trump wasn't going to actually do ANY of the stuff he said, there's still the fact that he's suspiciously popular with white nationalists and their ilk. There's a point where "misguided optimism" crosses over into "willful ignorance".

 

[IndoAssassin]

They're not running for office.

No but they have the power to vote.

 

[Ishan]

"Can you give me a quote from Trump that is clearly racist? The clearly racist one doesn't count though, because reasons." Not to mention the fact that he's got a white supremacist as one of his primary advisors and a myriad of other things, but yeah.

:lol

Carry on.



Yeah, I'm not familiar with your posting history.

I think it's kinda crappy that minorities have legitimate reason to fear for themselves in this country and you're still beating the drum for your favorite football team politician instead of trying to help, for what it's worth.

actually go I'm brown and on a visa . He did a whole lot of wink wink and I hate that but he didn't put out a line which could be classified kkk material. He played the alt right and courted them and now you're lashing out against moderate liberals because we don't believe in exactly your views and opinion even tho we believe in 99.99 percent of them but sure shit on us too

Edit I can fully agree with 10% views doesn't mean I will paint the other 60 slightly apart from mine as fully negative .

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

See, there are you with your assumptions. I'm not thinking about the FBI, I'm thinking about decades of legalized corruption in Washington from both sides. Clinton didn't campaign on it, but Trump actively campaigned against it (before you assume again - no, I don't believe Trump will actually do anything about it, but I can certainly see how one could be fooled).



Regardim racism, can you provide me a full quote from Trump that is clearly racist? I actually need that to source when I try to discuss with people outside my echo chamber. The "mexican are rapists" doesn't work, because he didn't actually say that (in context, it's not as bad as it looks). Not being snarky here, I actually want the worst things Trump said to show his more moderate supporters.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrum...a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...onald-trump-blacks-racist-20160928-story.html

 

[RiccochetJ]

I think it's kinda crappy that minorities have legitimate reason to fear for themselves in this country and you're still beating the drum for your favorite football team politician instead of trying to help, for what it's worth.

Obviously you came to that conclusion. Your method is to scream that the sky is falling. Mine is to tell people to calm down and that the mid term elections are 2 years away. So go vote.

 

[EmpressInYellow]

Obviously you came to that conclusion. Your method is to scream that the sky is falling. Mine is to tell people to calm down and that the mid term elections are 2 years away. So go vote.

Frankly, if people think voting every 2-4 years alone is going to fix things, they're in for a rude awakening.

 

[Ishan]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrum...a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...onald-trump-blacks-racist-20160928-story.html

I can go with a step by step breakdown about how that shows him as biased even exploitative but not kkk material .

Edit : it frankly comes down to where you draw the line . Your line doesn't need to be my line and presuming as much as we have the same lime is also incorrect on your part . The new Snl skit expemplified this abundantly .

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Obviously you came to that conclusion. Your method is to scream that the sky is falling. Mine is to tell people to calm down and that the mid term elections are 2 years away. So go vote.

And in the time between now and interims?

The Trump campaign thus far and the appointments going on now are doing nothing to reassure minorities who were campaigned against that everything will be ok. What do you have to gain my being antagonistic because Sanders didn't win the nomination?

I can go with a step by step breakdown about how that shows him as biased even exploitative but not kkk material .

Well yeah because he's crafty enough not to be a card carrying member. I'm really not interested in hearing further defenses of Trump from you anyway dude

 

[cdyhybrid]

actually go I'm brown and on a visa . He did a whole lot of wink wink and I hate that but he didn't put out a line which could be classified kkk material. He played the alt right and courted them and now you're lashing out against moderate liberals because we don't believe in exactly your views and opinion even tho we believe in 99.99 percent of them but sure shit on us too

What part of calling Mexicans rapists and calling for the banning of Muslims from the country doesn't qualify as KKK material? Does he have to call for them all to be killed or something?

I might have missed the most recent KKK newsletter, so I may not be fully up to date on their standards. If so, I apologize.

Obviously you came to that conclusion. Your method is to scream that the sky is falling. Mine is to tell people to calm down and that the mid term elections are 2 years away. So go vote.

This country voted a guy into office who has a white supremacist whispering into his ear. As a minority, I find that quite disturbing. If you don't, fine. I just wonder why that is.

Also, how is "this never would have happened if you had voted for Bernie" (never mind the actual reality of that claim) a call to calm down and vote?

 

[Ishan]

What part of calling Mexicans rapists and calling for the banning of Muslims from the country doesn't qualify as KKK material? Does he have to call for them all to be killed or something?

I might have missed the most recent KKK newsletter, so I may not be fully up to date on their standards. If so, I apologize.



This country voted a guy into office who has a white supremacist whispering into his ear. As a minority, I find that quite disturbing. If you don't, fine. I just wonder why that is.

Also, how is "this never would have happened if you had voted for Bernie" (never mind the actual reality of that claim) a call to calm down and vote?

He said the illegal immigrants are the "ones being sent over" , he said Muslim immigration ban yes that's actually communalism not racism . And yes wrong .he didn't say every Mexican here is a rapist . He did what you're doing use a broad paintbrush. If you want higher moral authority act like it . Not like him.

Edit but no sure fight fire with fire I'm sure you'll win .... Just don't blind half the world while you're both at it . But hey what if you do either one of your extreme viewpoints wins no shit if many suffer as a result .

 

[shinra-bansho]

I wouldn't either.

Just how are we supposed to tell who's racist & who's not?

WaPo got you covered.

Listen, when we need to denounce an actual racist, anti-Semite, white supremacist, Islamophobe, you name it, I will be there. I promise. I will not hesitate to do that, when the time comes, clearly and appropriately labeled. I have yet to see one, but when I do, boy, I will light into him! It will be something to see.

This is not that.

I have no doubt that a real racist sexist chauvinist white supremacist will be easy to spot. “I am coming for minorities now,” he will say. “I am an actual racist. I am, literally, Hitler, or at the very least Goebbels.”

In fact, I recently read an article that pointed out, quite astutely, that we are not talking about LITERAL JOSEPH GOEBBELS here, and it reassured me a great deal.

There you go, a handy guide.

 

[RiccochetJ]

Frankly, if people think voting every 2-4 years alone is going to fix things, they're in for a rude awakening.

Well, kinda. The Tea Party wasn't born overnight. Haven't you all been paying attention the past 8 years? I suppose not considering how this thread has progressed. You all just dismissed them outright up until the point they took the White House.

Also, how is "this never would have happened if you had voted for Bernie" (never mind the actual reality of that claim) a call to calm down and vote?

It's outright shitty. I admit that. But I firmly believe that more would have turned out for Bernie compared to Hillary.

There were live interviews on how much people didn't like Hillary. The media 20 years ago did the job on helping people figure out on how much people dislike Hillary.

Combine that with even a whiff that she was in bed with Wallstreet and the establishment?

She won the popular vote, but ignored the rust belt figuring she had it.

She lost to Trump of all people. That's going in the history books until it's changed when eventually there's a massive shift in a world power.

 

[Ishan]

WaPo got you covered.

There you go, a handy guide.

You actually have enough of them coming out of the woodwork already . So yes I can focus on fighting them

 

[cdyhybrid]

He said the illegal immigrants are the "ones being sent over" , he said Muslim immigration ban yes that's actually communalism not racism . And yes wrong .he didn't say every Mexican here is a rapist . He did what you're doing use a broad paintbrush. If you want higher moral authority act like it . Not like him.

I never said he said every Mexican here was a rapist. He said that Mexican immigrants are terrible people and rapists. To be specific:

They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.

Do you believe every Mexican immigrant is a drug user/criminal/rapist?

By the way, the following is a secret so don't go telling everyone I told you this - but when he talked about Muslims, it was code for people of Middle Eastern descent. That's why white nationalists attack anyone that's Middle Eastern regardless of their actual religious beliefs.

Edit but no sure fight fire with fire I'm sure you'll win .... Just don't blind half the world while you're both at it . But hey what if you do either one of your extreme viewpoints wins no shit if many suffer as a result .

What extreme viewpoints am I pushing? That Muslims should be free to practice their religion in this country? That women should have control over what goes on in their uterus? That LGBT people should have a right to marry whoever they want? That not every Mexican immigrant is a criminal? I'm honestly curious.

 

[shinra-bansho]

You actually have enough of them coming out of the woodwork already . So yes I can focus on fighting them

Some, I assume, are good people.

 

[EmpressInYellow]

Well, kinda. The Tea Party wasn't born overnight. Haven't you all been paying attention the past 8 years? I suppose not considering how this thread has progressed. You all just dismissed them outright up until the point they took the White House.

The Tea Party did a hell of a lot more than just voting in elections. They got out there. They organized. They applied pressure to elected officials on significant legislation.

And also, who "dismissed" the Tea Party? I don't know a single Democrat that isn't keenly aware of the role they've played in the GOP's obstruction of virtually any major policy initiative.

 

[Ishan]

I never said he said every Mexican here was a rapist. He said that Mexican immigrants are terrible people and rapists. To be specific:



Do you believe every Mexican immigrant is a drug user/criminal/rapist?

By the way, the following is a secret so don't go telling everyone I told you this - but when he talked about Muslims, it was code for people of Middle Eastern descent. That's why white nationalists attack anyone that's Middle Eastern regardless of their actual religious beliefs.



What extreme viewpoints am I pushing? That Muslims should be free to practice their religion in this country? That women should have control over what goes on in their uterus? That LGBT people should have a right to marry whoever they want? That not every Mexican immigrant is a criminal? I'm honestly curious.

You're cherry picking lines just like brietbart and fox does . If you're intellectually honest he didn't say that when you hear the whole thing . He painted many of them with one brush and wrongly so . The extreme view point you're pushing is my way or the highway .

 

[Ishan]

Some, I assume, are good people.

Hey , sure if I disagree with a supreme backlash ppl are free to assume I'm with them . I can try and explain but everyone is free to make up their own mind .

 

[cdyhybrid]

You're cherry picking lines just like brietbart and fox does . If you're intellectually honest he didn't say that when you hear the whole thing . He painted many of them with one brush and wrongly so . The extreme view point you're pushing is my way or the highway .

But that's exactly what I said he did. What are you even talking about?

Also, if "my way" is not being a complete shitbag to minorities and other disadvantaged groups, you're goddamn right it's my way or the highway. If you want to compromise on that, go ahead.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Hey , sure if I disagree with a supreme backlash ppl are free to assume I'm with them . I can try and explain but everyone is free to make up their own mind .

Donald Trump has always been a bigot and a misogynist. Donald Trump was a bigot and misogynist as a businessman. Donald Trump was a bigot and misogynist as a television star. Donald Trump was a bigot and misogynist as a candidate. Donald Trump is still a bigot and misogynist as a President-elect.

Donald Trump called for the execution of five black youths who were later exhonerated.
Donald Trump and his father were sued for racial discrimination.
Donald Trump claimed an Indiana-born judge was biased simply because he was of Mexican heritage.
Donald Trump said that voting would be rigged in certain places with certain people.
Donald Trump started a racist movement calling the first black President a foreign-born Muslim.
Donald Trump has made Steve Bannon, white nationalist of Breitbart, the most senior of White House staff.
And yes, Donald Trump launched his political career calling Mexicans rapists and criminals. Oh, but some of them are good people.

I am not assuming you are with Donald Trump. But you are wrong about Donald Trump.

 

[Ishan]

Donald Trump has always been a bigot and a misogynist. Donald Trump was a bigot and misogynist as a businessman. Donald Trump was a bigot and misogynist as a television star. Donald Trump was a bigot and misogynist as a candidate. Donald Trump is still a bigot and misogynist as a President-elect.

Donald Trump called for the execution of five black youths who were later exhonerated.
Donald Trump and his father were sued for racial discrimination.
Donald Trump claimed an Indiana-born judge was biased simply because he was of Mexican heritage.
Donald Trump said that voting would be rigged in certain places with certain people.
Donald Trump started a racist movement calling the first black President a foreign-born Muslim.
Donald Trump has made Steve Bannon, white nationalist of Breitbart, the most senior of White House staff.
And yes, Donald Trump launched his political career calling Mexicans rapists and criminals. Oh, but some of them are good people.

I am not assuming you are with Donald Trump. But you are wrong about Donald Trump.

IMO Donald trump just hits back like a child against you if he doesn't like what you say . You can be white black Muslim a woman etc . He lashes out against you if he doesn't get his way with you . His racism and misogyny is more a consequence of his child like attitude than any deep seated dislike of minorities IMO but that's my opinion . He's a complete clown and should not have become the president elect and he's assigning ppl these seats not because he somehow suddenly believes in the alt right he's doing what he has done and reward his yes me . He doesn't care about their views just that they were loyal . You can be a complete fuckhead ignorant insular cess pool of a person but not anti another group . I'm sure if he felt women and minorities adored him he would rail against men and whites as a result . He's an equal opportunity "I got mine" and "don't agree with me I'll fuck you over" person

That's my view of him an opportunistic thin skinned idiot . Doesn't make him a white supremist in my head tho .

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

. I'm sure if he felt women and minorities adored him he would rail against men and whites as a result

...word?

 

[cdyhybrid]

IMO Donald trump just hits back like a child against you if he doesn't like what you say . You can be white black Muslim a woman etc . He lashes out against you if he doesn't get his way with you . His racism and misogyny is more a consequence of his child like attitude than any deep seated dislike of minorities IMO but that's my opinion . He's a complete clown and should not have become the president elect and he's assigning ppl these seats not because he somehow suddenly believes in the alt right he's doing what he has done and reward his yes me . He doesn't care about their views just that they were loyal . You can be a complete fuckhead ignorant insular cess pool of a person but not anti another group . I'm sure if he felt women and minorities adored him he would rail against men and whites as a result . He's an equal opportunity "I got mine" and "don't agree with me I'll fuck you over" person

That's my view of him an opportunistic thin skinned idiot . Doesn't make him a white supremist in my head tho .

You can think whatever you want of him. His actions, his words, and his past suggest that you are wrong in your analysis.

 

[Ishan]

You can think whatever you want of him. His actions, his words, and his past suggest that you are wrong in your analysis.

Sure we can agree to disagree . I feel a lot of his behaviour follows those patterns . Girl says no I can't get her she's ugly . Not this is a girl female opinions and consent matter it's a I want it so if not fuck you type of thingy . I could be wrong , just my current view of him

 

[Ethranes]

I feel that this is something that only younger people do, you don't hear about parents saying that they won't speak or cut out their children because they voted for the opposition in an election.

Perhaps it's due to first time and younger voters not having the result that they wanted or expected so are looking for a way to backlash against the results.

I would never cut out family members due to their beliefs or views on political issues, to me, family will always be above everything, especially politicians and governments.

 

[Jive Turkey]

I love that I don't have this problem in my family.

It's great. I mean I'm pretty sure most, if not all, of my extended family members support Tangerine Hitler but I've long since cut them from my life for being all-around unbearable.

 

[cdyhybrid]

I feel that this is something that only younger people do, you don't hear about parents saying that they won't speak or cut out their children because they voted for the opposition in an election.

Perhaps it's due to first time and younger voters not having the result that they wanted or expected so are looking for a way to backlash against the results.

I would never cut out family members due to their beliefs or views on political issues, to me, family will always be above everything, especially politicians and governments.

It might have something to do with the fact that they weren't around for an election (until now) where an open bigot with zero experience was elected president.

 

[Ventilaator]

You don't hear about parents saying that they won't speak or cut out their children because they voted for the opposition in an election.

Maybe you hang out in the happy parts of the Internet too much, but I hear this regularly.

EDIT: And then I went back to the OT and this was there.

 

[Ishan]

I feel that this is something that only younger people do, you don't hear about parents saying that they won't speak or cut out their children because they voted for the opposition in an election.

Perhaps it's due to first time and younger voters not having the result that they wanted or expected so are looking for a way to backlash against the results.

I would never cut out family members due to their beliefs or views on political issues, to me, family will always be above everything, especially politicians and governments.

Younger ppl are more ideology driven is this surprising to you ?

It might have something to do with the fact that they weren't around for an election (until now) where an open bigot with zero experience was elected president.

They had the 70s and the 60s they've seen unrest

 

[Fuchsdh]

The example in the OP strikes me as supremely douchey, because even if I'm not a Trump supporter you've now made me fly to another country for your wedding. I'd rather be doing a whole lot of stuff in Italy besides going to your wedding, thanks. Would frankly be a lot more mature and considerate of other people to just not invite them instead of that passive-aggressive move.

Like with all these sorts of discussions to keep an open mind and try to reach out to these people is far more effective, but we're not saints and it's easier to cut these people out; pragmatically it might not be the right choice but we've all got lives to live and sometimes you can't deal with other people's repulsive attitudes.

And it's probably my own family that's the outlier, but we never even get into that much of a political discussion, and certainly don't do it at family functions like weddings. Get out of here with that shit, it's completely inappropriate.

And as much as it matters, my opinion of Trump is that he's just a thin-skinned idiot who isn't malevolently racist, he just doesn't think or care much about anyone outside of his zone. Still makes him a pretty terrible person, in all likelihood a terrible president, and no doubt he was the ticket for white supremacists, so there's not a huge functional difference either way.

 

[SeanTSC]

I feel that this is something that only younger people do, you don't hear about parents saying that they won't speak or cut out their children because they voted for the opposition in an election.

Perhaps it's due to first time and younger voters not having the result that they wanted or expected so are looking for a way to backlash against the results.

I would never cut out family members due to their beliefs or views on political issues, to me, family will always be above everything, especially politicians and governments.

My "family" takes a backseat to refusing to normalize a racist, bigoted, sexual predator of an orange turd who is appointing white supremacists to our highest offices of government all the while vehemently denying that Climate Change is real. If they're such a terrible person that they're okay with this then I will cut them out of my life with no hesitation. Anyone who supports these monsters is a toxic human being that I do not want in my life and I will tell them as such.

I will not coddle anyone just because "they're family". Sharing a few more genes with me doesn't make them more important to me than all of the damage that these fascists could unleash upon anyone who isn't a straight, white, christian male. I'm not going to spare their feelings or "try to see it their way". We've pussyfooted around the "feelings" of people on the Right for far too long and it's led us to this mess.

My family is not more important than the rights and well being of the LGBT community, people of color, and anyone who isn't a christian. My family isn't more important than the fact that these pieces of garbage call Climate Change a "Chinese Hoax" and want to deregulate everything, let companies pollute much as they want, and kill funding for renewable energy.

I got my dad to stop saying "fucking nigger" every time he saw a black person on TV by telling him he was a racist piece of shit and to stop being a scumbag every time he opened his mouth and did it. It works. Sometimes the only way to get people to stop doing deeply ingrained, awful shit is to make them feel really bad about doing it and make them feel that there is consequences for their bad behavior and that it's a shameful act.