CambriaRising
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Great rebuttal post, would read again.
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Polytron Hacked?
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Great rebuttal post, would read again.
Dirk Benedict
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He brought it upon himself. Give negative, get back negative. Someone was bound to do something like this, as he just couldn't keep it shut.
what rebuttal? we need to get this started as a hashtag movement to show those asshole SJWs that not everyone agrees with all the shit they get even if they probably deserve it
You're using this sarcastically I know, but it's a shitty attitude to have anyway. If you want to pool all "gamers" into a collective and whine about / blame them for everything then that just leads to a Phil Fish style thought process / tweet...process where you say nothing constructive and just whine and blame "video games"
It's been so over used I'm not even sure what it's supposed to mean anymore.
RadarScope1
Member
Why does this kind if shit happen?
CambriaRising
Member
What the hell is wrong with you? That's not what he implied at all.
Bjoern the Smexy
Member
Okay, you guys accusing Phil of leak the info himself:
Are you actually serious?
Do you really think, Phil Fish is such an attention whore or whatever that he leaks all of his own personal information, all the passwords and whatever from Polytron, all their financial results and whatnot, himself onto the internet???
You really think he is risking years upon years of jail time and a huuuuuge amount of money just to get attention?
Are you guys out of your fucking mind or do you hate Phil Fish so much that you want him to burn for all eternity?
Because all you guys are doing is make yourself look stupid. Incredibly stupid. I mean, like, seriously, so fucking stupid. Like "You can't comprehend the true form of Gyigas' attack" kind of stupid. Stop doing stupid things.
This leak was done by some stupid hackers that are almost as stupid as you are. Except they went through with something that is even more stupid.
I don't care if you think or say that Phil Fish is a tremendous asshole for things he said in the past or whatever. But if you really think he did it all himself...well, I already wrote what I have to say about that.
If you think that he did bring this upon himself and deserves it: Well, then I can say that I don't agree with you. Nobody deserves this, except maybe the most corrupt people high up there in the food chain.
Are you actually serious?
Do you really think, Phil Fish is such an attention whore or whatever that he leaks all of his own personal information, all the passwords and whatever from Polytron, all their financial results and whatnot, himself onto the internet???
You really think he is risking years upon years of jail time and a huuuuuge amount of money just to get attention?
Are you guys out of your fucking mind or do you hate Phil Fish so much that you want him to burn for all eternity?
Because all you guys are doing is make yourself look stupid. Incredibly stupid. I mean, like, seriously, so fucking stupid. Like "You can't comprehend the true form of Gyigas' attack" kind of stupid. Stop doing stupid things.
This leak was done by some stupid hackers that are almost as stupid as you are. Except they went through with something that is even more stupid.
I don't care if you think or say that Phil Fish is a tremendous asshole for things he said in the past or whatever. But if you really think he did it all himself...well, I already wrote what I have to say about that.
If you think that he did bring this upon himself and deserves it: Well, then I can say that I don't agree with you. Nobody deserves this, except maybe the most corrupt people high up there in the food chain.
I wouldn't say it's weird, it makes a lot of sense that people would given the history of the board. But I would agree with you that it's bad to.
Any modern implementation of Two factor authentication will be using a new version of SHA, RSA with key sizes greater than 1024 bits and a well obfuscated algorithm for key sharing (probably based on shamir's secret sharing) would require months for even NSA to break. Either Phil didn't select the option which is dumb as hell or he was socially engineered.
So now "fuck, stupid fuck, asshole fuck" is a decent rhetoric to an argument.
RadarScope1
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.... Wow
You're right, to Phil Fish, the criminals.
But they will get caught.
I should have been more specific.
But the people making blatant generalizations are also damaging the scene.
(I don't want to link tweets, I'll leave it at that. )
darkwhitehair
Banned
Wait these computers can be used for something other than excel spreadsheets?
I dont know who to trust anymore, I've been choking on it for the past two years just like Phil told me to.
Get better Phil, Dementia is nothing to make fun of.
I dont know who to trust anymore, I've been choking on it for the past two years just like Phil told me to.
Get better Phil, Dementia is nothing to make fun of.
Even if he was socially engineered I'm having a tough time figuring out how everything was compromised except his public twitter. Was all this info stored on the poly servers? If so, it's pretty freaking dumb to have financials and other personal login stored on a server like that right?
I honestly don't know what to make of it.
Except this kind of stuff keeps happening and the common link is women daring to do stuff in videogames so gg no re.
What a pathetic little nothing.
Eh im not hardcore conspiracy theorizing here, but this is exactly what Andy Kauffman would do in todays digital age as a publicity stunt. I mean... is this info proven legit? I mean yeah, home address and SSN are pretty easy to find, but the bank info and passwords could be old or fake. I just woke up so im not caught up fully. Great publicity for Fez 2 tho, and makes Phil the victim after years of being the aggressor
The problem here is that there is nothing to be gained from this for Phil Fish. It's equivalent to suggesting that the owners of that epilepsy website that was hacked to show flashing images some time ago did it because they would have had an easier time doing it than outside hackers.
Could you tell me why he told you to chock on it?
I assume he didn't message you out of the blue.
Is it people who hate women or /v/? Because..
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2#home
https://twitter.com/TFYCapitalists/status/502310263904034816
https://twitter.com/TFYCapitalists/status/502609147528220672
GAF's confusing me.
There seems to be a systemic and collective problem when it comes to dealing with self-criticism and introspection by the gaming community. Much of the response to innocent and harmless observations by women and minorities in gaming culture are reactionary if not hostile, illogical, selfish, and discriminatory. This is a collective problem. The question then becomes whether or not you want to:
1) Be associated with a culture that is collectively characterized by misogyny, sexism, racism, homophobia, etc.?
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2) Do anything about it. Do you speak up your mind when gamers pile on women? Do you actively object to the constant deflection and denial by casual sexists and racists? Do you support and defend people who face abuse and criticism because of their ideals of equality?
If you actually try to do something about the culture, at least individually and close to you, then that's good. If you let bigotry pass you by and ignore it in the many times it comes up whenever issues of gender, race, sexuality, ability, etc. come up, then you're automatically complicit in maintaining the status quo of gaming culture as collectively bigoted, hurtful, exclusionary and insular.
Maybe someone rotated their world view the correct number of times and it unlocked all this info.
It's all in the tetrominos.
Seriously though, this is all kinds of fucked up. What is wrong with someone that they feel justified in doing something like this whether it is a hacker(s) or even Phil himself. Completely messed up.
It's all in the tetrominos.
Seriously though, this is all kinds of fucked up. What is wrong with someone that they feel justified in doing something like this whether it is a hacker(s) or even Phil himself. Completely messed up.
AkelisRain
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What negative posts, can you give an example which may have lead to this scenario? Something recent?
Dirk Benedict
Member
Wow--what? Twitter is basically a public forum. If he were talk his mess in an offline public forum to crowds of people, do you think things would have been any worse?
Some assholes fucked him over because of his vindictive tongue, or mind. I'm not really condoning what happened to him, but im saying, the kid was poking at hornets nest as it was.The internet is worse now, than all the 21 years i've been on it.
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He deleted his twitter so it's tough to link. I do believe be said something akin to "I wish I could lock all gamers in a building and set it on fire" but I'm probably mistaken.
jesus fucking christ listen to yourself
There are ALWAYS other factors surrounding gaming.
Social issues are a raising factor, because there is simply not enough diversity.
You've already got an opinion but don't want to take part in the discussion ?
Skip it.
Alot of people are fed up with resolution discussions or exclusivity discussions.
Smart people just skip these topics alltogether, others don't and get even more angry with the whole discussion...
It's not like anybody is forcing you to read every single article that tackles those issues...
I agree that it's a bit exhausting to see so many topics about it, but well, I guess that's a similar feeling people have when they see standard caucasian male nr.3465425.
All the "he deserved" posts are fucking stupid, because what do the other people working at Polytron deserve? I don't like Phil Fish that much either, but other people's lives/livelihoods are at stake.
I'm going to assume this is real until proven otherwise (because if it is faked proof will happen sooner than later) , shit sucks for everyone at Polytron.
I'm going to assume this is real until proven otherwise (because if it is faked proof will happen sooner than later) , shit sucks for everyone at Polytron.
darkwhitehair
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I KNOW RIGHT? I've always found Phil's rants pathetic too.
Not me personally, just people in general.
#GetWellSoonPhil #GazaSupportsPhilFish
Fish nuked his twitter account but I'm sure people will be along shortly with a myrid of screenshots of his incessant ranting over the past few weeks, including calling out TB who wasn't even involved with any of this to begin with.
It can't be a collective problem if there is no collective.
I don't belong to a group. I am me and I represent me, and me alone. I don't think you can point to some shared ideology or grand narrative in this group to tie them together. To be honest, I think the idea you can do that in any sector of society is rapidly falling apart.
That doesn't mean their can't be systematic failures of all of us to fix, but it does mean the language and theoretical implications of collective guilt and collective punishment that naturally lead can be wrong.
ah ha o wow /v/'ve done something good for once
For a regular joe there is nothing to be gained, but for the guy that publicly demanded that Twitter gave him a verified account or he wouldn't make a sequel to his wildly popular game? It's at the very least up in the air. If this was or was not Phil Fish, it can certainly be said that his name is now becoming larger than the intellectual property he created. Which in my eyes brings in the amount of effort necessary for both parties to create this event.
Neither do I.
Liquid Helium
Member
No they are not, admitting the gaming community has a problem is the first step to fixing the problem. This isn't the first time something like this has happened, it's practically a monthly thing now that something horrible and sexist happens, from fighting game tornaments to harrasing gamespot reviewers to dickwolves to whatever it'll be next month. Heck this isn't even the first time zoe has been the subject of a huge, stupid, meaningless controversy. How many times does something like this have to happen before we can admit we have a problem and have to do something about it? I don't think it's a generalisation to call the gaming community sexist, because it's certainly walking like a duck and quacking like a duck. That's not to say that every gamer, or even a majority of gamers are sexist, just that we have a huge problem.
Orakio Rob
Member
The guy might be an ass, but as long as he is a responsible citizen who pays his taxes he has the right to be an ass as much as he wants without someone hacking into his account and ruining his right to privacy.
Of course at this point nobody can say for sure what really happened, we can only guess. However, until proper investigation is done, it's really unfair to point fingers at him. I can't tell if he staged this or not, but in case he didn't, he's going through hell now and deserves some respect.
Of course at this point nobody can say for sure what really happened, we can only guess. However, until proper investigation is done, it's really unfair to point fingers at him. I can't tell if he staged this or not, but in case he didn't, he's going through hell now and deserves some respect.
Where do you get the probable nepotism in Quinn case when all the evidence (easily checked on the net) points to 'nonexistent' rather than probable?
How about add a third group in the list, 'gullible gamers who buy all sorts of conspiracy theories, act like nuts, slander people on the net, paint themselves as idiots'?
IISANDERII
Member
I guess he has the perfect alibi.
The issue I'm seeing is that sexism and indeed racism in gaming is overflowing onto the gamers. It is quite literally turning personal. Gamers aren't allowed to enjoy something even if there are sexist or racist elements to it, and get identified as such. Personal taste is even being viewed through the lense of social activism. People who love certain characters are getting called sexist and mysoginist because they're not cosplaying as the correct version of a character. It goes from a call to activism to personal attacks, which is why I feel there's so much backlash (even among women believe it or not, try telling a girl who loves Kasumi and views her as a strong character who isn't ashamed of her body that gave her more confidence in her own body that she's sexist and a horrible person for liking that character, and wham, see what kind of pushback you get.)
Riposte
Member
From what I can tell, making yourself a soldier for a cause or another has a way of burning yourself out and turning you into the kind of person who yells about "gamers" on twitter in bitter rants or have sudden furious outbursts on message boards that gets you banned (and become terribly snarky until then). I'll pass, there's a lot of things in this world that are troubling and can hurt to look at, but getting mad about videogames ain't how I'm going to spend my one life on this earth.
And sure, "gamers" could be viewed as homophobic, misogynistic, etc., in so much the demographics that make them up are, whomever we decide to pinpoint on at a given time, and the world at large is.
The idea of stereotypes in western society is will tightly coupled with the idea of inter-group attitudes, suggesting that how your thoughts, notions and assumptions are viewed by others is still entirely based on the categories that people place you in. You may not identify as a gamer but you are a guy that plays games and therefore your opinion will still be viewed in that collective when the discussion is based on the inter-groups; gamers and non gamers. Society is a long way away from removing ideas such as collective guilt and collective punishment.
So why he did respond to? Or he just happens to message random people over internet and telling them to chock on it?
You are. He said:"If gaming was a building I would burn it to the ground." I would say the same thing but replacing gaming with internet. Maybe from the ashes something a bit less toxic would rise.
Gaming press is still largely about games. Social justice is a minority of the discussion. If these people who also play games criticize it for sexism or whatever, I don't see why people can't just ignore it instead of acting like childish brats threatening and harassing random women on twitter, spreading rumors and hacking accounts. The overreaction will only fuel more focus on these issues you're apparently tired of people discussing.
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Really, Riposte? Really?
well said...social media is a giant vortex of minutiae to me. I never seen any of the shit that people repost from twitter happen in real life. I worked at a gamestop for years and never had a discussion about "misogyny" on video games because the consumers I served don't freaking care. It's like a small group of people yelling at another group of people on social media hoping to change their opinion but it will never happen
Dr_LucienSanchez
Banned
Of all the terrible posts in this thread, yours is truly the most annoying one.
RadarScope1
Member
And those girls wearing tight jeans are just asking to get raped, right? And the black kid stealing cigars and mouthing off to cops is just asking to get shot and killed, right?
Starwolf_UK
Member
To people going "But why was the twitter account left alone. Must be the phil who cried wolf"? You don't think a troll would leave it alone on purpose. You know they want to see their victims reaction in public so shutting that down would defeat the point a bit.
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