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Polytron Hacked?

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He brought it upon himself. Give negative, get back negative. Someone was bound to do something like this, as he just couldn't keep it shut.
 

ponpo

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#notallgamers

You're using this sarcastically I know, but it's a shitty attitude to have anyway. If you want to pool all "gamers" into a collective and whine about / blame them for everything then that just leads to a Phil Fish style thought process / tweet...process where you say nothing constructive and just whine and blame "video games"
 
Okay, you guys accusing Phil of leak the info himself:

Are you actually serious?
Do you really think, Phil Fish is such an attention whore or whatever that he leaks all of his own personal information, all the passwords and whatever from Polytron, all their financial results and whatnot, himself onto the internet???

You really think he is risking years upon years of jail time and a huuuuuge amount of money just to get attention?

Are you guys out of your fucking mind or do you hate Phil Fish so much that you want him to burn for all eternity?
Because all you guys are doing is make yourself look stupid. Incredibly stupid. I mean, like, seriously, so fucking stupid. Like "You can't comprehend the true form of Gyigas' attack" kind of stupid. Stop doing stupid things.


This leak was done by some stupid hackers that are almost as stupid as you are. Except they went through with something that is even more stupid.

I don't care if you think or say that Phil Fish is a tremendous asshole for things he said in the past or whatever. But if you really think he did it all himself...well, I already wrote what I have to say about that.

If you think that he did bring this upon himself and deserves it: Well, then I can say that I don't agree with you. Nobody deserves this, except maybe the most corrupt people high up there in the food chain.
 

Newline

Member
Yeah I just think it's weird to use them as the defaul with zero evidence
It was probably a group of /v/ posters
but organized on IRC
I wouldn't say it's weird, it makes a lot of sense that people would given the history of the board. But I would agree with you that it's bad to.
2) It's not like two factor has never been broken in history before.
Any modern implementation of Two factor authentication will be using a new version of SHA, RSA with key sizes greater than 1024 bits and a well obfuscated algorithm for key sharing (probably based on shamir's secret sharing) would require months for even NSA to break. Either Phil didn't select the option which is dumb as hell or he was socially engineered.
Okay, you guys accusing Phil of leak the info himself:

Are you actually serious?
Do you really think, Phil Fish is such an attention whore or whatever that he leaks all of his own personal information, all the passwords and whatever from Polytron, all their financial results and whatnot, himself onto the internet???

You really think he is risking years upon years of jail time and a huuuuuge amount of money just to get attention?

Are you guys out of your fucking mind or do you hate Phil Fish so much that you want him to burn for all eternity?
Because all you guys are doing is make yourself look stupid. Incredibly stupid. I mean, like, seriously, so fucking stupid. Like "You can't comprehend the true form of Gyigas' attack" kind of stupid. Stop doing stupid things.


This leak was done by some stupid hackers that are almost as stupid as you are. Except they went through with something that is even more stupid.

I don't care if you think or say that Phil Fish is a tremendous asshole for things he said in the past or whatever. But if you really think he did it all himself...well, I already wrote what I have to say about that.

If you think that he did bring this upon himself and deserves it: Well, then I can say that I don't agree with you. Nobody deserves this, except maybe the most corrupt people high up there in the food chain.
So now "fuck, stupid fuck, asshole fuck" is a decent rhetoric to an argument.
 
Wait these computers can be used for something other than excel spreadsheets?
I dont know who to trust anymore, I've been choking on it for the past two years just like Phil told me to.

Get better Phil, Dementia is nothing to make fun of.
 

Fehyd

Banned
I wouldn't say it's weird, it makes a lot of sense that people would given the history of the board. But I would agree with you that it's bad to.

Any modern implementation of Two factor authentication will be using a new version of SHA, RSA with key sizes greater than 1024 bits and a well obfuscated algorithm for key sharing (probably based on shamir's secret sharing) would require months for even NSA to break. Either Phil didn't select the option which is dumb as hell or he was socially engineered.

Even if he was socially engineered I'm having a tough time figuring out how everything was compromised except his public twitter. Was all this info stored on the poly servers? If so, it's pretty freaking dumb to have financials and other personal login stored on a server like that right?

I honestly don't know what to make of it.
 

Hackworth

Member
The thing is, chalking up the anomic work of unknown individuals as "attacks against feminism" or as out right misogyny, is hard to point at. The motivations are completely unclear IMO.
Except this kind of stuff keeps happening and the common link is women daring to do stuff in videogames so gg no re.
 

Zia

Member
Wait these computers can be used for something other than excel spreadsheets?
I dont know who to trust anymore, I've been choking on it for the past two years just like Phil told me to.

Get better Phil, Dementia is nothing to make fun of.

What a pathetic little nothing.
 

Fisty

Member
Okay, you guys accusing Phil of leak the info himself:

Are you actually serious?
Do you really think, Phil Fish is such an attention whore or whatever that he leaks all of his own personal information, all the passwords and whatever from Polytron, all their financial results and whatnot, himself onto the internet???

You really think he is risking years upon years of jail time and a huuuuuge amount of money just to get attention?

Are you guys out of your fucking mind or do you hate Phil Fish so much that you want him to burn for all eternity?
Because all you guys are doing is make yourself look stupid. Incredibly stupid. I mean, like, seriously, so fucking stupid. Like "You can't comprehend the true form of Gyigas' attack" kind of stupid. Stop doing stupid things.


This leak was done by some stupid hackers that are almost as stupid as you are. Except they went through with something that is even more stupid.

I don't care if you think or say that Phil Fish is a tremendous asshole for things he said in the past or whatever. But if you really think he did it all himself...well, I already wrote what I have to say about that.

If you think that he did bring this upon himself and deserves it: Well, then I can say that I don't agree with you. Nobody deserves this, except maybe the most corrupt people high up there in the food chain.

Eh im not hardcore conspiracy theorizing here, but this is exactly what Andy Kauffman would do in todays digital age as a publicity stunt. I mean... is this info proven legit? I mean yeah, home address and SSN are pretty easy to find, but the bank info and passwords could be old or fake. I just woke up so im not caught up fully. Great publicity for Fez 2 tho, and makes Phil the victim after years of being the aggressor
 

Toxi

Banned
So now "fuck, stupid fuck, asshole fuck" is a decent rhetoric to an argument.
The problem here is that there is nothing to be gained from this for Phil Fish. It's equivalent to suggesting that the owners of that epilepsy website that was hacked to show flashing images some time ago did it because they would have had an easier time doing it than outside hackers.
 

Polk

Member
Wait these computers can be used for something other than excel spreadsheets?
I dont know who to trust anymore, I've been choking on it for the past two years just like Phil told me to.

Get better Phil, Dementia is nothing to make fun of.
Could you tell me why he told you to chock on it?
I assume he didn't message you out of the blue.
 

Lime

Member
Can we stop with this though, I've seen it a lot lately, blaming everyone in the collective for the actions of a loud minority group. I consider myself a 'gamer' (although I'm not a fan of the word) and to an extent I am nerdy about some of my interests. I imagine you consider yourself to be too. I don't associate myself with any of these individuals so can I not to be lumped into their malicious actions? I welcome diversity in the community and the types of games we play, this group does not represent me or my interests as a gamer or a nerd.

Can we get over using 'gamer' and 'nerd' as a pejorative when someone who is interested in games also acts like an asshole, you can be one or the other or both but just because you are one doesn't necessarily mean you are automatically the other, thanks.

There seems to be a systemic and collective problem when it comes to dealing with self-criticism and introspection by the gaming community. Much of the response to innocent and harmless observations by women and minorities in gaming culture are reactionary if not hostile, illogical, selfish, and discriminatory. This is a collective problem. The question then becomes whether or not you want to:

1) Be associated with a culture that is collectively characterized by misogyny, sexism, racism, homophobia, etc.?

and

2) Do anything about it. Do you speak up your mind when gamers pile on women? Do you actively object to the constant deflection and denial by casual sexists and racists? Do you support and defend people who face abuse and criticism because of their ideals of equality?

If you actually try to do something about the culture, at least individually and close to you, then that's good. If you let bigotry pass you by and ignore it in the many times it comes up whenever issues of gender, race, sexuality, ability, etc. come up, then you're automatically complicit in maintaining the status quo of gaming culture as collectively bigoted, hurtful, exclusionary and insular.
 

MisterM

Member
Maybe someone rotated their world view the correct number of times and it unlocked all this info.

It's all in the tetrominos.

Seriously though, this is all kinds of fucked up. What is wrong with someone that they feel justified in doing something like this whether it is a hacker(s) or even Phil himself. Completely messed up.
 

Wow--what? Twitter is basically a public forum. If he were talk his mess in an offline public forum to crowds of people, do you think things would have been any worse?

Some assholes fucked him over because of his vindictive tongue, or mind. I'm not really condoning what happened to him, but im saying, the kid was poking at hornets nest as it was.The internet is worse now, than all the 21 years i've been on it.

I
 

Fehyd

Banned
What negative posts, can you give an example which may have lead to this scenario? Something recent?

He deleted his twitter so it's tough to link. I do believe be said something akin to "I wish I could lock all gamers in a building and set it on fire" but I'm probably mistaken.
 

mattp

Member
Eh im not hardcore conspiracy theorizing here, but this is exactly what Andy Kauffman would do in todays digital age as a publicity stunt. I mean... is this info proven legit? I mean yeah, home address and SSN are pretty easy to find, but the bank info and passwords could be old or fake. I just woke up so im not caught up fully. Great publicity for Fez 2 tho, and makes Phil the victim after years of being the aggressor

jesus fucking christ listen to yourself
 

Pennywise

Member
There's a point here though. I miss when gaming was about the games, and not the politics surrounded by it.

Recently gaming press has been very focused on social justice issues, almost to the point where many who are conducive to the idea are getting tired of being told over and over that gaming is full of sexism and stop being so sexist. It gets tuned out.

Heck, a female cosplayer friend of mine was actually harassed at a con (by other women no less) because she was wearing the Other M version of Samus' s zerosuit.

I'm not saying that there isn't a reason to call out sexism, but I'm also saying there's a boiling point that we're fast approaching, and the whole zoe thing and this hack are indicative of that.


There are ALWAYS other factors surrounding gaming.
Social issues are a raising factor, because there is simply not enough diversity.

You've already got an opinion but don't want to take part in the discussion ?
Skip it.

Alot of people are fed up with resolution discussions or exclusivity discussions.
Smart people just skip these topics alltogether, others don't and get even more angry with the whole discussion...

It's not like anybody is forcing you to read every single article that tackles those issues...

I agree that it's a bit exhausting to see so many topics about it, but well, I guess that's a similar feeling people have when they see standard caucasian male nr.3465425.
 

Goon Boon

Banned
All the "he deserved" posts are fucking stupid, because what do the other people working at Polytron deserve? I don't like Phil Fish that much either, but other people's lives/livelihoods are at stake.

I'm going to assume this is real until proven otherwise (because if it is faked proof will happen sooner than later) , shit sucks for everyone at Polytron.
 

Talyn

Member
What negative posts, can you give an example which may have lead to this scenario? Something recent?
Fish nuked his twitter account but I'm sure people will be along shortly with a myrid of screenshots of his incessant ranting over the past few weeks, including calling out TB who wasn't even involved with any of this to begin with.
 

Mindwipe

Member
There seems to be a systemic and collective problem when it comes to dealing with self-criticism and introspection by the gaming community. Much of the response to innocent and harmless observations by women and minorities in gaming culture are reactionary if not hostile, illogical, selfish, and discriminatory. This is a collective problem.

It can't be a collective problem if there is no collective.

I don't belong to a group. I am me and I represent me, and me alone. I don't think you can point to some shared ideology or grand narrative in this group to tie them together. To be honest, I think the idea you can do that in any sector of society is rapidly falling apart.

That doesn't mean their can't be systematic failures of all of us to fix, but it does mean the language and theoretical implications of collective guilt and collective punishment that naturally lead can be wrong.
 

Newline

Member
The problem here is that there is nothing to be gained from this for Phil Fish. It's equivalent to suggesting that the owners of that epilepsy website that was hacked to show flashing images some time ago did it because they would have had an easier time doing it than outside hackers.
For a regular joe there is nothing to be gained, but for the guy that publicly demanded that Twitter gave him a verified account or he wouldn't make a sequel to his wildly popular game? It's at the very least up in the air. If this was or was not Phil Fish, it can certainly be said that his name is now becoming larger than the intellectual property he created. Which in my eyes brings in the amount of effort necessary for both parties to create this event.
I honestly don't know what to make of it.
Neither do I.
 
But the people making blatant generalizations are also damaging the scene.

No they are not, admitting the gaming community has a problem is the first step to fixing the problem. This isn't the first time something like this has happened, it's practically a monthly thing now that something horrible and sexist happens, from fighting game tornaments to harrasing gamespot reviewers to dickwolves to whatever it'll be next month. Heck this isn't even the first time zoe has been the subject of a huge, stupid, meaningless controversy. How many times does something like this have to happen before we can admit we have a problem and have to do something about it? I don't think it's a generalisation to call the gaming community sexist, because it's certainly walking like a duck and quacking like a duck. That's not to say that every gamer, or even a majority of gamers are sexist, just that we have a huge problem.
 
The guy might be an ass, but as long as he is a responsible citizen who pays his taxes he has the right to be an ass as much as he wants without someone hacking into his account and ruining his right to privacy.

Of course at this point nobody can say for sure what really happened, we can only guess. However, until proper investigation is done, it's really unfair to point fingers at him. I can't tell if he staged this or not, but in case he didn't, he's going through hell now and deserves some respect.
 

Carcetti

Member
Who is doing more damage.

A few people mad at probable (still largely unproven) nepotism.

Games journalist suddenly painting the whole broad spectrum of gamers as sexist nerds.

(If you don't believe that's happening, just follow a few "journalist" on twitter and see what they've been saying)

Where do you get the probable nepotism in Quinn case when all the evidence (easily checked on the net) points to 'nonexistent' rather than probable?

How about add a third group in the list, 'gullible gamers who buy all sorts of conspiracy theories, act like nuts, slander people on the net, paint themselves as idiots'?
 

IISANDERII

Member
Okay, you guys accusing Phil of leak the info himself:

Are you actually serious?
Do you really think, Phil Fish is such an attention whore or whatever that he leaks all of his own personal information, all the passwords and whatever from Polytron, all their financial results and whatnot, himself onto the internet???

You really think he is risking years upon years of jail time and a huuuuuge amount of money just to get attention?

Are you guys out of your fucking mind or do you hate Phil Fish so much that you want him to burn for all eternity?
Because all you guys are doing is make yourself look stupid. Incredibly stupid. I mean, like, seriously, so fucking stupid. Like "You can't comprehend the true form of Gyigas' attack" kind of stupid. Stop doing stupid things.


This leak was done by some stupid hackers that are almost as stupid as you are. Except they went through with something that is even more stupid.

I don't care if you think or say that Phil Fish is a tremendous asshole for things he said in the past or whatever. But if you really think he did it all himself...well, I already wrote what I have to say about that.

If you think that he did bring this upon himself and deserves it: Well, then I can say that I don't agree with you. Nobody deserves this, except maybe the most corrupt people high up there in the food chain.
I guess he has the perfect alibi.
 

Fehyd

Banned
There are ALWAYS other factors surrounding gaming.
Social issues are a raising factor, because there is simply not enough diversity.

You've already got an opinion but don't want to take part in the discussion ?
Skip it.

Alot of people are fed up with resolution discussions or exclusivity discussions.
Smart people just skip these topics alltogether, others don't and get even more angry with the whole discussion...

It's not like anybody is forcing you to read every single article that tackles those issues...

I agree that it's a bit exhausting to see so many topics about it, but well, I guess that's a similar feeling people have when they see standard caucasian male nr.3465425.

The issue I'm seeing is that sexism and indeed racism in gaming is overflowing onto the gamers. It is quite literally turning personal. Gamers aren't allowed to enjoy something even if there are sexist or racist elements to it, and get identified as such. Personal taste is even being viewed through the lense of social activism. People who love certain characters are getting called sexist and mysoginist because they're not cosplaying as the correct version of a character. It goes from a call to activism to personal attacks, which is why I feel there's so much backlash (even among women believe it or not, try telling a girl who loves Kasumi and views her as a strong character who isn't ashamed of her body that gave her more confidence in her own body that she's sexist and a horrible person for liking that character, and wham, see what kind of pushback you get.)
 

Riposte

Member
If you actually try to do something about the culture, at least individually and close to you, then that's good. If you let bigotry pass you by and ignore it in the many times it comes up whenever issues of gender, race, sexuality, ability, etc. come up, then you're automatically complicit in maintaining the status quo of gaming culture as collectively bigoted, hurtful, exclusionary and insular.

From what I can tell, making yourself a soldier for a cause or another has a way of burning yourself out and turning you into the kind of person who yells about "gamers" on twitter in bitter rants or have sudden furious outbursts on message boards that gets you banned (and become terribly snarky until then). I'll pass, there's a lot of things in this world that are troubling and can hurt to look at, but getting mad about videogames ain't how I'm going to spend my one life on this earth.

And sure, "gamers" could be viewed as homophobic, misogynistic, etc., in so much the demographics that make them up are, whomever we decide to pinpoint on at a given time, and the world at large is.
 

Newline

Member
It can't be a collective problem if there is no collective.

I don't belong to a group. I am me and I represent me, and me alone. I don't think you can point to some shared ideology or grand narrative in this group to tie them together. To be honest, I think the idea you can do that in any sector of society is rapidly falling apart.
That doesn't mean their can't be systematic failures of all of us to fix, but it does mean the language and theoretical implications of collective guilt and collective punishment that naturally lead can be wrong.
The idea of stereotypes in western society is will tightly coupled with the idea of inter-group attitudes, suggesting that how your thoughts, notions and assumptions are viewed by others is still entirely based on the categories that people place you in. You may not identify as a gamer but you are a guy that plays games and therefore your opinion will still be viewed in that collective when the discussion is based on the inter-groups; gamers and non gamers. Society is a long way away from removing ideas such as collective guilt and collective punishment.
 

Corto

Member
He deleted his twitter so it's tough to link. I do believe be said something akin to "I wish I could lock all gamers in a building and set it on fire" but I'm probably mistaken.

You are. He said:"If gaming was a building I would burn it to the ground." I would say the same thing but replacing gaming with internet. Maybe from the ashes something a bit less toxic would rise.
 

Maebe

Member
There's a point here though. I miss when gaming was about the games, and not the politics surrounded by it.

Recently gaming press has been very focused on social justice issues, almost to the point where many who are conducive to the idea are getting tired of being told over and over that gaming is full of sexism and stop being so sexist. It gets tuned out.

Gaming press is still largely about games. Social justice is a minority of the discussion. If these people who also play games criticize it for sexism or whatever, I don't see why people can't just ignore it instead of acting like childish brats threatening and harassing random women on twitter, spreading rumors and hacking accounts. The overreaction will only fuel more focus on these issues you're apparently tired of people discussing.
 
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From what I can tell, making yourself a soldier for a cause or another has a way of burning yourself out and turning you into the kind of person who yells about "gamers" on twitter in bitter rants or have sudden furious outbursts on message boards that gets you banned (and become terribly snarky until then). I'll pass, there's a lot of things in this world that are troubling and can hurt to look at, but getting mad about videogames ain't how I'm going to spend my one life on this earth.

And sure, "gamers" could be viewed as homophobic, misogynistic, etc., in so much the demographics that make them up are, whomever we decide to pinpoint on at a given time, and the world at large is.

Really, Riposte? Really?
 

SteveO409

Did you know Halo invented the FPS?
From what I can tell, making yourself a soldier for a cause or another has a way of burning yourself out and turning you into the kind of person who yells about "gamers" on twitter in bitter rants or have sudden furious outbursts on message boards that gets you banned (and become terribly snarky until then). I'll pass, there's a lot of things in this world that are troubling and can hurt to look at, but getting mad about videogames ain't how I'm going to spend my one life on this earth.

And sure, "gamers" could be viewed as homophobic, misogynistic, etc., in so much the demographics that make them up are, whomever we decide to pinpoint on at a given time, and the world at large is.

well said...social media is a giant vortex of minutiae to me. I never seen any of the shit that people repost from twitter happen in real life. I worked at a gamestop for years and never had a discussion about "misogyny" on video games because the consumers I served don't freaking care. It's like a small group of people yelling at another group of people on social media hoping to change their opinion but it will never happen
 

NichM

Banned
Eh im not hardcore conspiracy theorizing here, but this is exactly what Andy Kauffman would do in todays digital age as a publicity stunt. I mean... is this info proven legit? I mean yeah, home address and SSN are pretty easy to find, but the bank info and passwords could be old or fake. I just woke up so im not caught up fully. Great publicity for Fez 2 tho, and makes Phil the victim after years of being the aggressor

John Walker said:
Phase four is by far the nastiest part. With the previous phases in play, with the notion out there that there’s a cover-up taking place, that the corruption is endemic and that it’s all part of [whichever agenda], something hideously personal happens like a hack. So the person’s privacy is hacked, their personal details are exposed in public, such that those swept up into the tornado of abuse can release their rage on that person. But that’s not the key part of this phase. The crucial element is then instantly following this up with accusations that the individual involved leaked the information themselves, so they can get sympathy/prove they’re being victimised/pin the blame. This is so insidious, so damned horrendous. Within seconds of any such exposure of personal information, the same people will immediately throw their hands in the air and beg the victim of their attack not to fire. It’s like that moment in the film where the identical killer robot version of the human looks at the cops and cries, “I’M THE REAL HIM! KILL THE ROBOT, NOT ME!” Except in this case, it’s their actions that attempt to make the target look indistinguishable from them. “She’s the monster! She’s the one doing it all!”

The idiocy that someone would expose their own personal details is all part of the elaborate conspiracy. Exactly! She did it because it would make it look like it was something she’d never do! En masse they will begin tweeting and posting links to the hacked page, saying, “Look what she has done! She’s done this to make herself look like a victim!” It’s the ultimate twofer for them – they get the personal details out there, so that the abuse for the victim can become so much worse, and they make it part of, and proof of, the conspiracy they’d already begun.

It’s the same each time.

You're playing directly into the pattern, and it's not pretty.
 
Wait these computers can be used for something other than excel spreadsheets?
I dont know who to trust anymore, I've been choking on it for the past two years just like Phil told me to.

Get better Phil, Dementia is nothing to make fun of.

Of all the terrible posts in this thread, yours is truly the most annoying one.
 
Wow--what? Twitter is basically a public forum. If he were talk his mess in an offline public forum to crowds of people, do you think things would have been any worse?

Some assholes fucked him over because of his vindictive tongue, or mind. I'm not really condoning what happened to him, but im saying, the kid was poking at hornets nest as it was.The internet is worse now, than all the 21 years i've been on it.

I
And those girls wearing tight jeans are just asking to get raped, right? And the black kid stealing cigars and mouthing off to cops is just asking to get shot and killed, right?
 
To people going "But why was the twitter account left alone. Must be the phil who cried wolf"? You don't think a troll would leave it alone on purpose. You know they want to see their victims reaction in public so shutting that down would defeat the point a bit.
 
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