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Polytron Hacked?

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Lime

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From what I can tell, making yourself a soldier for a cause or another has a way of burning yourself out and turning you into the kind of person who yells about "gamers" on twitter in bitter rants or have sudden furious outbursts on message boards that gets you banned (and become terribly snarky until then). I'll pass, there's a lot of things in this world that are troubling and can hurt to look at, but getting mad about videogames ain't how I'm going to spend my one life on this earth.

And sure, "gamers" could be viewed as homophobic, misogynistic, etc., in so much the demographics that make them up are, whomever we decide to pinpoint on at a given time, and the world at large is.

"I'm not affected by racism/sexism/homophobia in video game culture, therefore I won't care to do something about it."

Oh wait, with your active dismissal of the collective issue by making this post (and probably many others in similar threads), you are actually doing something about it. And what you are doing is basically relegating anyone who feels hurt or discriminated against or marginalized within video game culture (or the world at large) as of no significant importance, because "getting mad about videogames" is silly.
 

duessano

Member
And those girls wearing tight jeans are just asking to get raped, right? And the black kid stealing cigars and mouthing off to cops is just asking to get shot and killed, right?

Calm down, Phil getting hacked does not equal getting raped or getting killed.

He didn't deserve to get hacked if he did get hacked.

Let's all dial it down a notch or two.
 
And those girls wearing tight jeans are just asking to get raped, right? And the black kid stealing cigars and mouthing off to cops is just asking to get shot and killed, right?

Ok be reasonable now. While getting doxxed is pretty awful it's not rape or murder. Phil had been antagonistic to people in the past and when you grand stand on the internet it's almost certain someone is going to take you down a peg or two.
 
Can someone sum up what Phil Fish has done to "deserve" this?

Apart from what he said about Japanese games, seeing him on Giant Bomb's GDC show last year made him seem like an okay person in real life.
 
I don't see why people can't just ignore it instead of acting like childish brats threatening and harassing random women on twitter, spreading rumors and hacking accounts.

I feel like it goes both ways. There are people on both sides that eventually just end up name-calling or doing other silly shit. The hacking situation is definitely worse than just name-calling, but there is a lack of discourse on both sides that makes me think "Well, they handled that maturely."

Everyone looks bad, and it's fucked.
 

Riposte

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Really, Riposte? Really?

Was I out of line or are you saying I'm prone to anger? I wouldn't say so, I really enjoy my heated arguments and don't get frustrated when I fail to change people minds nor does resentment grow over time.

"I'm not affected by racism/sexism/homophobia in video game culture, therefore I won't care to do something about it."

Oh wait, with your dismissal of the collective issue, you are actually doing something about it. And it's basically relegating anyone feeling hurt or discriminated against or marginalized within video game culture (or the world at large) as of no significant importance.

Perhaps there's a way to be supportive of progressive ideas in this pocket of humanity called videogames without becoming weary misanthrope. I just don't think you have the answer to that.
 

mattp

Member
Can someone sum up what Phil Fish has done to "deserve" this?

Apart from what he said about Japanese games, seeing him on Giant Bomb's GDC show last year made him seem like an okay person in real life.

people are mad because he posts angry things in all caps on twitter
 

Easy_D

never left the stone age
They probably hacked themselves to get more attention. Weird how his twitter wasn't hacked.. A bit too obvious for me.

http://imgur.com/SQzWURr

It just doesn't make sense to me that for some reason Fish had all this info on Polytron's twitter and website, and that these two were hacked, and not his own twitter.
Unless he stated somewhere that his own PC was hacked, and again, had that been the case I think his twitter would've been hacked as well.

If they hacked his twitter they wouldn't get to see his reaction. Think about it for a second.
 

Platy

Member
Wow that actualy made me depressed about how .....rotten some people are.

Specialy the SJW thing .... how they turned it into the worst cursing ever =/
 

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
Señor Coyote;126563474 said:
Ok be reasonable now. While getting doxxed is pretty awful it's not rape or murder. Phil had been antagonistic to people in the past and when you grand stand on the internet it's almost certain someone is going to take you down a peg or two.

That's his point though. Why do we keep focusing on him antagonising people? Nothing he has done deserves this and saying "oh but but he did this shit so maybe it was coming" doesn't really mean much.
 

Septic360

Banned
I really don't get some of you lot. You guys actually think that Phil deserves this because he has acted like a bit of a prat?

If The Purge actually existed, some of you lot would be the first ones out there it seems!

I didn't really like Fish either but this shit is just too damn far.
 

Maebe

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well said...social media is a giant vortex of minutiae to me. I never seen any of the shit that people repost from twitter happen in real life. I worked at a gamestop for years and never had a discussion about "misogyny" on video games because the consumers I served don't freaking care. It's like a small group of people yelling at another group of people on social media hoping to change their opinion but it will never happen

I'm not sure why you expect to have a discussion about misogyny at gamestop. You understand it's an actual thing though, right? It's not something people online made up. Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't make others' experiences fake.
 

Surt

Banned
Some will say they got what they deserved. I will say consequences come back to you for any action. bad or good. I personally could care her personal life or anyone else is.

But I can't stand agendas. the one's that can't stand on their own two feet without censoring any one that challenges them. I always thought very little of kotaku after that whole dragons crown fiasco that led me to go on their site and ask them what kind of fairies were they? At least marvel is open with what they are trying to do, and I agree that their should be a strong female presence in comics. but NOT at the expense of already staple heroes. either way they don't censor anyone that doesn't agree. And that I respect.

When did this PC crusade bloody start? did it start at kotaku? with quinn? Doubt it. but she made it worse. or was adam sessler? Or maybe it was those in the mary sue. Had the unfortunate chance to stop by in there cause of a lady friend who wrote a piece there. And boy you can smell the anti depressant there. Dreary place.
 
And those girls wearing tight jeans are just asking to get raped, right? And the black kid stealing cigars and mouthing off to cops is just asking to get shot and killed, right?

I have a feeling that you're letting your emotions post for you, those are very extreme examples of harm coming to people. As long as people with malicious intent exist on this planet, there will be people who want to rape, and there will be murder.

As long as people like Phil Fish exist to complain, berate and spout off foolish stuff, there will be individuals that exist who will want to silence him or harm him too.
He drew that attention, or it would seem.

All I have heard is negative opinions on him, viewing comment sections at different websites, different forums and such. The consensus to me is that most dislike him,but like his game.
Some dislike him and his game and don't understand his infamy.

Cause and effect went into play here, simple as that. I punch you, you punch me back. I come to shoot you, you run, or you shoot back at me.

This is the internet, and quite frankly, people have been hacked for less.
It's why I reduced my own internet foot print over the years and don't daisy chain my devices, ridiculous passwords, etc.

Lastly, I never said he deserved it, but if you step outside of your bubble for a moment, you can see it as a likely scenario to occur given the environment on the internet.
I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner, also the extent of information that was gathered.
 

Sarobi

Banned
That's his point though. Why do we keep focusing on him antagonising people? Nothing he has done deserves this and saying "oh but but he did this shit so maybe it was coming" doesn't really mean much.

That's the thing though.. Both online and offline there is people who do things to others for SIMPLE REASONS. These people hacked him because they did not like him, and did not like any of the things he said. We shouldn't be sitting around pretending like there isn't crazy people out there that will go to extreme lengths to harm people.
 

megalowho

Member
The consensus to me is that most dislike him,but like his game.
Some dislike him and his game and don't understand his infamy.

Cause and effect went into play here, simple as that. I punch you, you punch me back. I come to shoot you, you run, or you shoot back at me.
Most people don't give a shit. If someone takes the things he says online personally it says more about them than it does about Phil.
 

RageBot

Banned
If they hacked his twitter they wouldn't get to see his reaction. Think about it for a second.

Yeah, that makes sense.

But it makes more sense to me that the guy faked being hacked.
I don't think that he had any reason to put all of that info on Polytron's website and twitter, so I assume that hacked his PC; If indeed that is true imo people woudl've been more than willing to go even further, stuff like swatting and so on, which have been done to doxxed individual's before.
The language used on the "hacked" sites doesn't seem to me like what hackers from /v/ would've posted, it takes itself too seriously and no one uses gendered, homophobic or racist slurs, which are the hallmark of 4chan's raids.
 

Kade

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How dare you? Mental illness is never annoying. #EmpathyNotAnnoyanceForDementia



Only Phil has the balls to say the truth like it is man, he wont take any of your BS man. Youtubers are gross, specially the ones that like Fez.

Are you normally the open and incessant about publicly demonstrating your inability to make good posts?
 
Some will say they got what they deserved. I will say consequences come back to you for any action. bad or good. I personally could care her personal life or anyone else is.

But I can't stand agendas. the one's that can't stand on their own two feet without censoring any one that challenges them. I always thought very little of kotaku after that whole dragons crown fiasco that led me to go on their site and ask them what kind of fairies were they? At least marvel is open with what they are trying to do, and I agree that their should be a strong female presence in comics. but NOT at the expense of already staple heroes. either way they don't censor anyone that doesn't agree. And that I respect.

When did this PC crusade bloody start? did it start at kotaku? with quinn? Doubt it. but she made it worse. or was adam sessler? Or maybe it was those in the mary sue. Had the unfortunate chance to stop by in there cause of a lady friend who wrote a piece there. And boy you can smell the anti depressant there. Dreary place.

Really? Fairies?

First off, what does this have to do with polytron/fish getting hacked? And second, you're batshit crazy/awful.
 
It's ludicrous to think that Phil Fish intentionally performed this hack. There is WAY too much confidential data in that file to be deliberately orchestrated.

Phil Fish could easily achieved the same effect with an eighth of the data. So why would he frame himself with so much?
 
What an annoying week.

Fuck off Phil Fish. Please sell your Twitter account too and go find a new profession already. The boy who cried wolf I'm leaving the games industry forever bullshit is getting old.
 
Most people don't give a shit. If someone takes the things he says online personally it says more about them than it does about Phil.

I'm torn between whether people give a shit or not. Some act like they do and turn around and do something to the contrary.
This discussion is going to be insane. It's already branched out into all sorts of meta.
 

Maebe

Member
I feel like it goes both ways. There are people on both sides that eventually just end up name-calling or doing other silly shit. The hacking situation is definitely worse than just name-calling, but there is a lack of discourse on both sides that makes me think "Well, they handled that maturely."

Everyone looks bad, and it's fucked.

Not really equal. The kind of shit people like Anita get is positively vile and on another level than "pathetic little thing". Even if I have some issues with some things she says, people go too far. The hacking stuff shows a true immaturity. I'm sure there has been a lot of discourse, though. People aren't just calling each other names for every discussion.

I always thought very little of kotaku after that whole dragons crown fiasco that led me to go on their site and ask them what kind of fairies were they?

Man really...
 

jabuseika

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It's ludicrous to think that Phil Fish intentionally performed this hack. There is WAY too much confidential data in that file to be deliberately orchestrated.

Phil Fish could easily achieved the same effect with an eighth of the data. So why would he frame himself with so much?

Devil's Advocate;

Maybe he really wants out of the industry, but there's too many people he feels won't let him go, this is the perfect exit.

/Devil's advocate don't shoot me.
 

Talyn

Member
Most people don't give a shit. If someone takes the things he says online personally it says more about them than it does about Phil.
Wait just a damn minute here. You've basically saying he had a free pass to cyberbully people and if it hurts them, that's their problem. That flies in the face of everything people are taught about cyberbullying and frankly I am surprised to see anyone try to play that card here in 2014.
 
Uh.. In what universe? Ewwwwwww!

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. Are you aware of the context and what else he tweeted at that time?
Devil's Advocate;

Maybe he really wants out of the industry, but there's too many people he feels won't let him go, this is the perfect exit.

/Devil's advocate don't shoot me.
Once again, he already quit a year ago and basically was out of the public spotlight until two weeks ago.
 
I have a feeling that you're letting your emotions post for you, those are very extreme examples of harm coming to people. As long as people with malicious intent it exist on this planet, there will be people who want to rape, and there will be murder.

As long as people like Phil Fish exist to complain, berate and spout off foolish stuff, there will be individuals that exist who will want to silence him or harm him too.
He drew that attention, or it would seem.

All I have heard is negative opinions on him, viewing comment sections at different websites, different forums and such. The consensus to me is that most dislike him,but like his game.
Some dislike him and his game and don't understand his infamy.

Cause and effect went into play here, simple as that. I punch you, you punch me back. I come to shoot you, you run, or you shoot back at me.

This is the internet, and quite frankly, people have been hacked for less.
It's why I reduced my own internet foot print over the years and don't daisy chain my devices, ridiculous passwords, etc.

Lastly, I never said he deserved it, but if you step outside of your bubble for a moment, you can see it as a likely scenario to occur given the environment on the internet.
I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner, also the extent of information that was gathered.
Yes my examples were over the top. But I'm trying to point out that the cause and effect are out of whack here, and those were the easiest examples I could reach for while brushing my teeth this morning...

I think speech should be fought with other speech. If someone doesn't like what someone is saying, they should engage and speak back. The only actions that should come of it are ones such as boycotting a game or business. Hacking and doxing are basically criminal behavior.

Good to know you don't condone this behavior, either. Your post made it sound as if you did.
 

Lime

Member
By the way, this hostile attitude toward criticism has been going on for a while. I remember Mattie Brice's blog getting hacked and the hackers putting child porn on it.
 
Do you really think, Phil Fish is such an attention whore or whatever that he leaks all of his own personal information, all the passwords and whatever from Polytron, all their financial results and whatnot, himself onto the internet???

You really think he is risking years upon years of jail time and a huuuuuge amount of money just to get attention?

If it was anybody else in the gaming world, I'd say "certainly not."

But Phil Fish? I'll have to admit there's a teensy part of me that thinks he'd do exactly that.
 
I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. Are you aware of the context and what else he tweeted at that time?

I'm responding to the screenshot, doesn't look like a grievous cyber bullying attempt to me. Its clearly meant to be funny. Are you saying he, or anyone for that matter deserved this?
 
That's his point though. Why do we keep focusing on him antagonising people? Nothing he has done deserves this and saying "oh but but he did this shit so maybe it was coming" doesn't really mean much.

I don't think many people are saying he deserved it, I'm certainly not. I'm completely against people forcefully trying to silence people they disagree with. I'm just giving my opinion on why I think it happened. Some reactions here are treating it as though he was hit by a car while changing the tire of a stranded school bus. He's a controversial figure that got hacked, he wasn't the first and he won't be the last.
 
Yes my examples were over the top. But I'm trying to point out that the cause and effect are out of whack here, and those were the easiest examples I could reach for while brushing my teeth this morning...

I think speech should be fought with other speech. If someone doesn't like what someone is saying, they should engage and speak back. The only actions that should come of it are ones such as boycotting a game or business. Hacking and doxing are basically criminal behavior.

Good to know you don't condone this behavior, either. Your post made it sound as if you did.

I was just being blunt. To be honest , it was probably a semi-shit post. It's pretty early over here.
 

Tash

Member
I'm very lttp on this. Is this what spurred the #welovegamedevs thing on twitter at the moment?

Pretty much.
Also there are some pretty disgusting replies in this thread (one just a bit above) but I won't give you credit by quoting..

Hate him, love him, doesn't matter. He did NOT deserve this shit.
 
Are you normally the open and incessant about publicly demonstrating your inability to make good posts?

Please dont cyberbully me, this is a safe place to discuss issues. Not for personal attacks.

I used to make good posts, but then I took an arrow to the knee. #GamerJokes #WeLoveGameDevs #1ReasonToBe
 

Fisty

Member
You're playing directly into the pattern, and it's not pretty.

People are taking my comments as if im stating facts that I believe... I dont know what the hell happened and dont claim to. But this is Phil Fish... I think skepticism is perfectly valid and warranted. He craves attention, cancels games because people bothered him about it. I thought he left the industry? Why is Polytron still active? What would he have to gain by this hack?

Im not calling fish a liar or fraud, but there is room for doubt.
 
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