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[R_thanatos]

I wasn't aware hackers all wrote the same.

The part about 4chan and Anonymous is irrelevant, since we have no way of knowing where the attack was actually organized.

Also, it's not "supposedly hacked". The only alternative I've heard so far is the ludicrous theory that Phil Fish committed economic suicide "because he's crazy yo".

Hackers don't write the same but if you're serious you follow some basic rules.
And none of them are respected/followed here.

First what is the hacking group ? It's either <GROUP NAME> or <"anonymous"> 4chan/v/ can't be used since you're pointing toward a place that is known. It's like if you shoot someone and then send a letter to the police telling you your adress.
Doesn't work like that.

If you wish i could go on the other inconsistencies of this if you wish later

Untill someone can explain to me how someone hacked cloudfire 2-way password login system , took the twitter of 2 differents things but didn't lock them out ..i'll will not believe in what happenned.

I haven't seen 1 thing, 1 thing that make me believe this is real. And that comes from someone who had his websites hacked before AND work in network programming security for a living

 

[Sendou]

Careful of jumping to conclusions there folks. I didn't say the consequences were valid. I said expression has consequences.

If I come on Neogaf and "express" racist comments, I expect a consequence of getting banned, despite my "freedom of expression". Should I be gunned down in cold blood for my comments? Of course not.

Of course everything in this world has consequences. Is this some big revelation? What a pointless statement. The point is that those consequences shouldn't be a thing just because someone was saying things you don't like.

 

[JBourne]

If you think the majority of hackers are basement dwellers, erm, why? If you have the skills to do serious hacking, chances are you could easily have a decent job.

Because of their target.

 

[kiguel182]

Careful of jumping to conclusions there folks. I didn't say the consequences were valid. I said expression has consequences.

If I come on Neogaf and "express" racist comments, I expect a consequence of getting banned, despite my "freedom of expression". Should I be gunned down in cold blood for my comments? Of course not.

But if you do that on Neogaf you are infringing the rules of the website and that's why you are banned.

What rules if Phil breaking when he says what he says? The arbitrary rules of some people that justify insulting and shitting on him?

 

[Nephrahim]

Jason Schreier (Kotaku) just commented a few pages back saying they're still collecting details and trying to contact folks like Fish himself.

Going to be hard without mentioning the Zoe incident, which they are obviously don't want to tell more people.

 

[CecilRousso]

Did anyone make re-cap of all events? I just found about this.

Why are big gaming news sites not covering this?

Here's a re-cap: Unless you desperately want gossip and stories about the internet being awful, stay away from this mess.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Hackers don't write the same but if you're serious you follow some basic rules.
And none of them are respect.

First what is the hacking group ? It's either <GROUP NAME> or anonymous 4chan/v/ can't be used since you're pointing toward a place that is know. It's like if you shoot someone and then send a letter to the police telling you your adress.
Doesn't work like that.

If you wish i could go on the other inconsistencies of this if you wish later

Untill someone can explain to me how someone hacked cloudfire 2-way password login system , took the twitter of 2 differents things but didn't lock them out ..i'll will not believe in what happenned.

I haven't seen 1 thing, 1 thing that make me believe this is real. And that comes from someone who had his websites hacked before AND work in network programming security for a living

You're basically just paraphrasing that image which has been posted here and addressed several times:

This has been posted several times already, and it's already been proven false. CloudFlare is not a host, they are a caching layer you put in front of your site to protect it from traffic spikes or other problems. CloudFlare's security is irrelevant in all of this if the actual host itself was compromised.

Don't quit your day job.

 

[John Rabbit]

Hackers don't write the same but if you're serious you follow some basic rules.
And none of them are respected/followed here.

First what is the hacking group ? It's either <GROUP NAME> or <"anonymous"> 4chan/v/ can't be used since you're pointing toward a place that is know. It's like if you shoot someone and then send a letter to the police telling you your adress.
Doesn't work like that.

If you wish i could go on the other inconsistencies of this if you wish later

Untill someone can explain to me how someone hacked cloudfire 2-way password login system , took the twitter of 2 differents things but didn't lock them out ..i'll will not believe in what happenned.

I haven't seen 1 thing, 1 thing that make me believe this is real. And that comes from someone who had his websites hacked before AND work in network programming security for a living

we're not your servants, do the work and read the thread.

 

[Zomba13]

Wow, I was completely ignorant to any of that, and I apologize. Is there a succinct wrap-up of that situation I could read?

Not sure of a succinct one but basically it is sort of like this:
1)An ex boyfriend of Zoe Quinn makes a blog post about how she cheated on him with 5 other guys when they were dating and lied about
2)One of the guys was a wrighter at RPS and then later at Kotaku, this promoted some some idiots to then spout nonsense that she sleeps around with game journalists to get good reviews (said guy only ever wrote like one thing about her game during a steam green light round-up in a non-review capacity)
3)Idiots then stick with this narrative they made up and cite websites not picking it up as censorship despite it actually being a personal issue and not something they should cover anyway,
4)During this Phil Fish makes his usual comments calling the video game community scum etc for all the horrible comments form the idiots and basically defends Zoe
5)Idiots decide that Phil is now a "social justice warrior" that is ruining gaming (despite stating a billion times to be done with the industry and not working on any games).
6)Idiots hack and dox websites and stuff of Phil Fish and Zoe Quinn becuase one is a woman and the other stands up for women (and by that logic is ruining gaming)

 

[Glass Shark]

Untill someone can explain to me how someone hacked cloudfire 2-way password login system

You are spouting off nonsense from a random unsourced imgur post that has already been disproved numerous times in this thread and elsewhere. Seems like you've already made up your mind on this issue.

 

[Krejlooc]

Careful of jumping to conclusions there folks. I didn't say the consequences were valid. I said expression has consequences.

If I come on Neogaf and "express" racist comments, I expect a consequence of getting banned, despite my "freedom of expression". Should I be gunned down in cold blood for my comments? Of course not.

What is in contention, and the reason those in this thread are disgusted, is because this is a disproportional response. Coming in to say "things have consequences" is such a non-point that no one would assume that should be taken at face value, which is to imply these specific consequences should be expected, hence our responses.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Did anyone make re-cap of all events? I just found about this.

Why are big gaming news sites not covering this?

Because unless you just crave tawdry bullshit, there's not much of a story here prior to this incident with Polytron. As for those details, not a lot is clear here. But prior to that, it was just tabloid nonsense wherein angles about journalistic integrity were just kind of forced into the conversation to make this all seem relevant.

 

[R_thanatos]

You're basically just paraphrasing that image which has been posted here and addressed several times:

Don't quit your day job.

I won't . I've seen enough hacked webpages in my youth to see a fake one when i see one.

we're not your servants, do the work and read the thread.

I don't believe it.

If you want to believe it , have fun ! .

I'm out.

 

[MikeXXIeaf]

Because unless you just crave tawdry bullshit, there's not much of a story here prior to this incident with Polytron. As for those details, not a lot is clear here. But prior to that, it was just tabloid nonsense wherein angles about journalistic integrity were just kind of forced into the conversation to make this all seem relevant.

Can we be completely honest here? That type of stuff is constantly reported on anyway, the only difference here being that gaming writers had their names brought up.

 

[Sendou]

Can we be completely honest here? That type of stuff is constantly reported on anyway, the only difference here being that gaming writers had their names brought up.

Do you have an example in mind? Because I don't.

 

[John Rabbit]

I won't . I've seen enough hacked webpages in my youth to see a fake one when i see one.


I don't believe it.

If you want to believe it , have fun ! .

i don't believe anything yet, as there aren't any facts about the situation, and given the sensitive nature of the information I doubt we ever will as this is likely to become a legal situation in the short-term.

I'm out.

I sincerely hope and doubt this at the same time.

 

[Welkin]

Wow, I was completely ignorant to any of that, and I apologize. Is there a succinct wrap-up of that situation I could read?

I believe this is what made people angry at him.

 

[jschreier]

Can we be completely honest here? That type of stuff is constantly reported on anyway, the only difference here being that gaming writers had their names brought up.

I must not be reading the right game websites if you think developers' sex lives are being constantly reported.

 

[Saiyan-Rox]

Wow I've missed alot it seems I haven't the foggiest idea what the burgers and fries thing or anything else means (been out of the loop lately) but this is all too far i mean jeez these people are doing this because they thought Phil was being a complete asshole? maybe they should look at themselves and seeing they're making us all look bad :/

maybe should read through the thread see what's going on before I comment more.

 

[thequickandthedead]

I believe this is what made people angry at him.

wtf? There must be something behind this.

 

[MikeXXIeaf]

Do you have an example in mind? Because I don't.

Kotaku has posted many articles regarding Quinn's social media presence up until this point. I'm not disparaging them for it, but it seems a bit inaccurate to assume they're suddenly above it now.

 

[Sendou]

wtf? There must be something behind this.

There's a larger picture somewhere with more context.

Kotaku has posted many articles regarding Quinn's social media presence up until this point. I'm not disparaging them for it, but it seems a bit inaccurate to assume they're suddenly above it now.

Social media presence sure. I just think that reporting something about a dev's private life (coming from a 3rd party source no less) is a step above that. Maybe it's still worth reporting besides that if there are other things to it. That would have to be evaluated then separately with each case. As a default I think the threshold to report something about a dev's private life should be pretty high.

 

[lightning2k3]

#welovegafmods

lets start the twitter campaign!

 

[Mowki Kowski]

Not sure of a succinct one but basically it is sort of like this:
1)An ex boyfriend of Zoe Quinn makes a blog post about how she cheated on him with 5 other guys when they were dating and lied about
2)One of the guys was a wrighter at RPS and then later at Kotaku, this promoted some some idiots to then spout nonsense that she sleeps around with game journalists to get good reviews (said guy only ever wrote like one thing about her game during a steam green light round-up in a non-review capacity)
3)Idiots then stick with this narrative they made up and cite websites not picking it up as censorship despite it actually being a personal issue and not something they should cover anyway,
4)During this Phil Fish makes his usual comments calling the video game community scum etc for all the horrible comments form the idiots and basically defends Zoe
5)Idiots decide that Phil is now a "social justice warrior" that is ruining gaming (despite stating a billion times to be done with the industry and not working on any games).
6)Idiots hack and dox websites and stuff of Phil Fish and Zoe Quinn becuase one is a woman and the other stands up for women (and by that logic is ruining gaming)

Oh, okay. Because you didn't name Zoe Quinn in your previous post I assumed that him standing up for someone was unrelated to that.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Wow I've missed alot it seems I haven't the foggiest idea what the burgers and fries thing or anything else means (been out of the loop lately) but this is all too far i mean jeez these people are doing this because they thought Phil was being a complete asshole? maybe they should look at themselves and seeing they're making us all look bad :/

maybe should read through the thread see what's going on before I comment more.

Zoe Quinn's vindictive ex boyfriend claims she cheated on him with five other guys. Fish defended her on Twitter. So when they hacked his server, that's what they chose to put up.

 

[jschreier]

Kotaku has posted many articles regarding Quinn's social media presence up until this point. I'm not disparaging them for it, but it seems a bit inaccurate to assume they're suddenly above it now.

Umm can you link these articles?

 

[Krejlooc]

I won't . I've seen enough hacked webpages in my youth to see a fake one when i see one.


I don't believe it.

If you want to believe it , have fun ! .

I'm out.

You work in network security and you think a two-step verification system is infallible? And, to clarify, you are convinced this is fake because nobody has provided you a scenario where a two-step verification system could fail?

 

[Toxi]

Untill someone can explain to me how someone hacked cloudfire 2-way password login system , took the twitter of 2 differents things but didn't lock them out ..i'll will not believe in what happenned.

I haven't seen 1 thing, 1 thing that make me believe this is real. And that comes from someone who had his websites hacked before AND work in network programming security for a living

Cloudflare doesn't host anything. It's a CDN. You don't hack into websites by breaking into someone's Cloudflare account; you go directly for the actual web server.

Also, why would the hacker lock Phil Fish's twitter? The entire point of releasing that info is to see him suffer.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Kotaku has posted many articles regarding Quinn's social media presence up until this point. I'm not disparaging them for it, but it seems a bit inaccurate to assume they're suddenly above it now.

I'm not sure I understand what the point of this observation is.

 

[Nephrahim]

There's a larger picture somewhere with more context.

I posted it a while ago but it got deleting instantly.

But really, those two tweets have most of the relevant points, the rest is just lead in and aftermath.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

wtf? There must be something behind this.

There isn't, that's the problem. The guy who started this decided to stop without offering further insight. We'll probably never know what really happened.

For that very reason, is stupid to fret over those Phil words.

 

[Talyn]

I must not be reading the right game websites if you think developers' sex lives are being constantly reported.

Tell that to Max Temkin.

 

[Saiyan-Rox]

Zoe Quinn's vindictive ex boyfriend claims she cheated on him with five other guys. Fish defended her on Twitter. So when they hacked his server, that's what they chose to put up.

Ahhhh thanks for clearing that bit up. Suddenly feel like im in a bad soap opera.

 

[John Rabbit]

Tell that to Max Temkin.

i must have missed that IGN headline story about rape allegations.

 

[King Tubby]

This entire thing, starting with the Quinnspiracy, is just the pettiest bullshit.

All the "head mod of /V/" stuff is meaningless. It almost certainly wasn't anyone officially affiliated with 4chan, but it was probably someone who at least browses /v/, and probably also browses reddit, tumblr, even NeoGAF. It could be anybody. It could even be YOU

 

[Morrigan Stark]

I won't . I've seen enough hacked webpages in my youth to see a fake one when i see one.
I don't believe it.

Bahahahaha, this post is satire right? Like this?

 

[Coldsun]

Untill someone can explain to me how someone hacked cloudfire 2-way password login system ,

Cloudflare's 2way password is optional. It's highly likely Fish didn't have it enabled.

Not to mention, it's a CDN based on having them as a DNS and being a middle man.

They don't need to access the cloudflare services at all if the actual servers (hosted by someone other than cloudflare) were compromised.

Cloudflare would only be needed to redirect traffic to a server the attackers hosted.

 

[ColR100]

So if you make games you can only talk about games in public? Is that it?

He can't say anything that people might think is wrong without suffering consequences?

He tweeted stuff. Like I tweet stuff and like a bunch of people do. He has every right to do that without being insulted or fucking hacked.

Game dev companies tend to have a 'social media policy' document, and all staff are either asked to read or sign it. Afraid to say that you are indeed required to act in a responsible way when publishing content online, on websites like Twitter for example.

If your average game developer employee published comments similar to what the Fez creator has done in the past, then they would no doubt be pulled up on it. Having the audience he had with the type of comments he published ended up putting himself out there.

Again though, it doesn't condone what happened to him in the slightest.

 

[Corto]

Going to be hard without mentioning the Zoe incident, which they are obviously don't want to tell more people.

Totilo wrote a post about the whole thing at Kotaku and tweeted about it. They told enough people already. They are not afraid of bringing this to a wider audience than the one that they already have. The post has 904 replies and almost 100.000 views. The Zoe incident doesn't affect Kotaku or Nathan propriety in any way shape or form as it was already established to satiety.

 

[Krejlooc]

Also, why would the hacker lock Phil Fish's twitter? The entire point of releasing that info is to see him suffer.

Even ignoring your quoted posts, a two-step verification system can be defeated in a number of ways, not least of which is the ever-popular method of social engineering.

 

[Dugna]

Wait isn't Phil Fish seperated from Polytron now? I thought he quit and let polytron do its own thing now? What's the point of attacking the dev group now?

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Cloudflare's 2way password is optional. It's highly likely Fish didn't have it enabled.

Not to mention, as it's been pointed out, it's a CDN, it has nothing to do with his actual hosting. Like how many sites use the Amazon Cloud to store their images and media and are hosted on a very different server. To deface such a site you wouldn't hack into their Amazon Cloud to begin with... -_-

 

[Nephrahim]

There's no strong evidence this was an inside job.

I'm a paranoid person and I did consider the possibility, but it really doesn't make any sense for it to have been him pretending to be hacked.

But some people will always choose to think that.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I really fail to see how real investigations and discussion forums inviting everyone to sit at the big kids table for a frank and serious discussion about ethics re: an embarrassing blog post from an ex-lover of Zoe Quinn was going to help keep a lid on this. Speaking only for this site, I don't think anyone on staff has any connections at all to Quinn. None of us are/were looking out for a friend or capitulating to someone who instills fear into those who don't treat her like a who's who in the industry. We thought it was an embarrassing discussion that we didn't want to be given a platform here.

I really can't understand an argument that by internet sites not allowing people a forum to discuss an issue they found important, that the only recourse was to escalate things to this level. As though all people wanted was for this important discussion about some quasi-indie celebrity's personal transgressions to acquire fame via her feminine wiles to happen openly.

I never said that this was their only recourse and that their response was in any way rational, I'm merely saying that the removal of the discussion in many different places, especially Reddit, fed into the conspiratorial angle that many people were taking with this whole thing.

I absolutely think that this would have gotten out of control no matter what but especially on Reddit in particular, the huge thread full of auto-deleted posts (which I understand was necessary due to the personal information contained theirin) gave the matter way more attention than it would have gotten otherwise.

I'm not saying that anyone did anything wrong or that there was an easy way to handle this situation, merely that the necessity of censorship gave people another angle of attack and may have accelerated the situation somewhat.

 

[hodayathink]

Hackers don't write the same but if you're serious you follow some basic rules.
And none of them are respected/followed here.

First what is the hacking group ? It's either <GROUP NAME> or <"anonymous"> 4chan/v/ can't be used since you're pointing toward a place that is known. It's like if you shoot someone and then send a letter to the police telling you your adress.
Doesn't work like that.

If you wish i could go on the other inconsistencies of this if you wish later

Untill someone can explain to me how someone hacked cloudfire 2-way password login system , took the twitter of 2 differents things but didn't lock them out ..i'll will not believe in what happenned.

I haven't seen 1 thing, 1 thing that make me believe this is real. And that comes from someone who had his websites hacked before AND work in network programming security for a living

They hacked/social engineered the Polytron corporate Dropbox account, and possibly Fish's personal e-mail account. That's where the data came from, and it looks like they may have had a a password database there that gave access to all the other accounts they mentioned.

 

[Coldsun]

Not to mention, as it's been pointed out, it's a CDN, it has nothing to do with his actual hosting. Like how many sites use the Amazon Cloud to store their images and media and are hosted on a very different server. To deface such a site you wouldn't hack into their Amazon Cloud to begin with... -_-

Since cloudflare needs to be the dns server, the only reason youd compromise a cloudflare acct is to change where a web domain pointed.

Granted, this wasn't the case.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

And that comes from someone who had his websites hacked before AND work in network programming security for a living

Works in network programming, but doesnt know what a CDN is.

 

[Talyn]

i must have missed that IGN headline story about rape allegations.

I must have also missed that IGN headline story about Zoe Quinn. I didn't miss either story being covered by Kotaku though.

 

[Gattsu25]

Umm can you link these articles?

It will take some time because if he pulls too quickly he might suffer rectal tearing.

 

[JackDT]

Everyone is Sherlock Holmes. It's almost like who hacked it just wrote some random shit to stir up trouble like calling out '/V/' or whatever. Dwelling on it is meaningless.