Polytron Hacked?

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Almost 3000 posts of

"Damn that sucks"
"I hate phil fish but he doesn't deserve this"
"#rekt" (currently banned user)
"Guys check this pic I saw on twitter"
"people keep saying he sucks but that doesn't mean he deserves this. smh"
"phil fish sucks but he didn't deserve this"

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I can't believe people are actually entertaining the idea that Phil Fish would ruin himself for some silly attack on /v (or whatever) or to deflect attention from Zoe. You have to be some crazy conspiracy nut to even consider such a thing.
You see this over and over any time your dealing with a large group that doesn't want to face up to how its apathy for bad people within it could be why those bad people feel empowered to take action

Throw it n the gamer/nerd persecution complex and it just gets worse
 
Almost 3000 posts of

"Damn that sucks"
"I hate phil fish but he doesn't deserve this"
"#rekt" (currently banned user)
"Guys check this pic I saw on twitter"
"people keep saying he sucks but that doesn't mean he deserves this. smh"
"phil fish sucks but he didn't deserve this"

Repeat Repeat Repeat Repeat Repeat Repeat
really, why isn't this thread closed yet.
 
This whole stuff is more fun than playing games.

I would love to just play games, but then I apparently have to first be ashamed of myself for playing a game with a straight white male protagonist, regardless of its non-effect on the game itself. Or be belittled by nearly every online video games website out there for simply existing as a straight white male who happens to also enjoy playing video games.

While I'm in agreement of diversity in video games from both audience to reporting to development (the "white dudebro marine" stereotype didn't come out of nowhere), I'm sick of "straight white male" basically being the lynchpin for any semi-moral crusade, that opinions coming from them should be silenced/omitted, and that any insults thrown their way should just be accepted because of "privilege" i.e. these people's carte blanche to be sexist and racist.

I for one haven't seen anyone complain about cultural erasure that exists from AC: Unity by removing all French accents and replacing them with British-accented voices.
Maybe them being white has something to do with it.

/rant
 
I would love to just play games, but then I apparently have to first be ashamed of myself for playing a game with a straight white male protagonist, regardless of its non-effect on the game itself. Or be belittled by nearly every online video games website out there for simply existing as a straight white male who happens to also enjoy playing video games.

While I'm in agreement of diversity in video games from both audience to reporting to development (the "white dudebro marine" stereotype didn't come out of nowhere), I'm sick of "straight white male" basically being the lynchpin for any semi-moral crusade, that opinions coming from them should be silenced/omitted, and that any insults thrown their way should just be accepted because of "privilege" i.e. these people's carte blanche to be sexist and racist.

I for one haven't seen anyone complain about cultural erasure that exists from AC: Unity by removing all French accents and replacing them with British-accented voices.
Maybe them being white has something to do with it.

/rant

Honestly, this post is a far better reason to be ashamed of yourself.
 
I would love to just play games, but then I apparently have to first be ashamed of myself for playing a game with a straight white male protagonist, regardless of its non-effect on the game itself. Or be belittled by nearly every online video games website out there for simply existing as a straight white male who happens to also enjoy playing video games.
Who the hell does this? As a straight white guy I don't think I've ever been "belittled" outside of some obscure blog. What I do see is a lot of, yes, straight white guys who think that pushing for diversity or complaining about sexism equates to an attack on them. These tend to be the same people who haven't taken the five minutes to learn about what privlidge actually is so they can vent about the bogeyman they think it is
 
Who the hell does this? As a straight white guy I don't think I've ever been "belittled" outside of some obscure blog. What I do see is a lot of, yes, straight white guys who think that pushing for diversity or complaining about sexism equates to an attack on them. These tend to be the same people who haven't taken the five minutes to learn about what privlidge actually is so they can vent about the bogeyman they think it is

Polygon, one example that is not an obscure blog, seem incapable of saying "there should be more women and PoC in gaming" without also saying something derogatory about straight white males - comment sections included. Is it not possible to say one thing without the other?

Privilege does more or less exist, but when it's used as an excuse to hide behind to insult someone? Just no.
 
Cool, consider me enlightened. :3

I feel sorry for the guy having his stuff hacked.

I fixed your post.

Who the hell does this? As a straight white guy I don't think I've ever been "belittled" outside of some obscure blog. What I do see is a lot of, yes, straight white guys who think that pushing for diversity or complaining about sexism equates to an attack on them. These tend to be the same people who haven't taken the five minutes to learn about what privlidge actually is so they can vent about the bogeyman they think it is

The war on straight white men narrative is one of the saddest things I've ever heard.
 
I would love to just play games, but then I apparently have to first be ashamed of myself for playing a game with a straight white male protagonist, regardless of its non-effect on the game itself. Or be belittled by nearly every online video games website out there for simply existing as a straight white male who happens to also enjoy playing video games.

While I'm in agreement of diversity in video games from both audience to reporting to development (the "white dudebro marine" stereotype didn't come out of nowhere), I'm sick of "straight white male" basically being the lynchpin for any semi-moral crusade, that opinions coming from them should be silenced/omitted, and that any insults thrown their way should just be accepted because of "privilege" i.e. these people's carte blanche to be sexist and racist.

I for one haven't seen anyone complain about cultural erasure that exists from AC: Unity by removing all French accents and replacing them with British-accented voices.
Maybe them being white has something to do with it.

/rant

You poor thing. Can you tell us some more problems you face daily as a white straight male playing video games?

this thread is embarrassing

Embarrassing is an understatement.
 
Polygon, one example that is not an obscure blog, seem incapable of saying "there should be more women and PoC in gaming" without also saying something derogatory about straight white males - comment sections included. Is it not possible to say one thing without the other?
Can you show me a couple examples? Keep in mind that that being critical of the relative cultural and industrial dominance of straight white males is not the same as being derogatory

About all I can think of is the whole Dragons Crown "horny teenage boys" thing that they later apologized for
 
Cool, consider me enlightened. :3

I feel sorry for the guy having his stuff hacked, but at the same time, his attitude towards many of us was really unwarranted. Especially when everyone who supported him and his game to be made helped with funding it.

Who is us? Did you attack him personally on his Twitter feed? Then his attitude wasn't aimed at you, he doesn't even know that you exist. Why is it personal unless you took part in giving him shit?
 
The "he deserved it" angle is puzzling.

the mental gymnastics people are playing to convince themselves he did this to himself(and his coworkers) are fucking unbelievable

and what's more unbelievable is the number of people who are even entertaining that idea
 
Who is us? Did you attack him personally on his Twitter feed? Then his attitude wasn't aimed at you, he doesn't even know that you exist. Why is it personal unless you took part in giving him shit?

The "us" is really gamers in general. I never gave the man shit. I bought his game and was looking forward to Fez II. Was sad he cancelled it, but he tends to belittle gamers who don't agree with his opinions. Why should a majority of gamers suffer for the acts of immature pillocks?

Regardless of my views about recent events (That being said), I also hope he too gets the peace of mind he needs.
 
Can you show me a couple examples? Keep in mind that that being critical of the relative cultural and industrial dominance of straight white males is not the same as being derogatory

About all I can think of is the whole Dragons Crown "horny teenage boys" thing that they later apologized for

One example coming out of E3 was this article, where it applauded Aisha Tyler for being the presenter of Ubisoft's conference (as insufferable as I think she is, I agreed), then immediately backhanded white men presenting their game (with the bonus of ignoring people like Bonnie Ross from 343i).

Saying that "hiring a talented woman who happened to not look liked damned near everyone else at the show certainly helped" verged a lot more on the side of derogatory more than critical. Compare this to other articles that rightly condemn the segregation of women in eSports and the genuine harassment of women in gaming, Polygon's more than capable that highlighting the inequalities in gaming without shitting on half its audience.


As an on-topic aside, if the hack on Polytron is indeed real, then it's inexcusable, along with the genuinely sexist remarks towards Zoe Quinn.
 
Freedom of speech does not exist on the internet.

Freedom of speech exists everywhere. But on private servers and websites, there's no right to say whatever you want without consequence. Such as when people complain about moderation here, it doesn't matter if it's justified or capricious or whatever, it is what it is. "This is EvilLore's world, you're just living in it." Same goes with Reddit, or 4chan, or...

I do hate how people don't understand how the First Amendment only applies to the government suppressing speech though. It's one of those instant-defense arguments you hear over and over.
 
Thankfully, most devs are actually nice to people who they're trying to make things for.

This.

Freedom of speech does not exist on the internet.

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One example coming out of E3 was this article, where it applauded Aisha Tyler for being the presenter of Ubisoft's conference (as insufferable as I think she is, I agreed), then immediately backhanded white men presenting their game (with the bonus of ignoring people like Bonnie Ross from 343i).

Saying that "hiring a talented woman who happened to not look liked damned near everyone else at the show certainly helped" verged a lot more on the side of derogatory more than critical. Compare this to other articles that rightly condemn the segregation of women in eSports and the genuine harassment of women in gaming, Polygon's more than capable that highlighting the inequalities in gaming without shitting on half its audience.


As an on-topic aside, if the hack on Polytron is indeed real, then it's inexcusable, along with the genuinely sexist remarks towards Zoe Quinn.

You think that pointing out that a white man and a black woman don't look alike is shitting on half the audience?

Really?

Do you not understand that it was simply underlining the uniformity of the stage presence at press events? To say "all of these people are white men when the audience is more diverse than that" isn't the same as saying, "all of these people are white men, and therefor they are bad/suck/are unworthy." It's not even implied, unless you're incredibly insecure.

edit: I told myself I wasn't going to engage with this thread. I'm recovering from a concussion and my doctor said "avoid stress as much as possible," so of course I turn to GAF.
 
I would love to just play games, but then I apparently have to first be ashamed of myself for playing a game with a straight white male protagonist, regardless of its non-effect on the game itself. Or be belittled by nearly every online video games website out there for simply existing as a straight white male who happens to also enjoy playing video games.

While I'm in agreement of diversity in video games from both audience to reporting to development (the "white dudebro marine" stereotype didn't come out of nowhere), I'm sick of "straight white male" basically being the lynchpin for any semi-moral crusade, that opinions coming from them should be silenced/omitted, and that any insults thrown their way should just be accepted because of "privilege" i.e. these people's carte blanche to be sexist and racist.

I for one haven't seen anyone complain about cultural erasure that exists from AC: Unity by removing all French accents and replacing them with British-accented voices.
Maybe them being white has something to do with it.

/rant


Oh lord.
 
This whole series of issues now confirms one thing to me that more people should know.

Don't comment on stuff you don't know anything about.

I dont know what Phil Fish or Zoe Quinn are like. I dont have an opinion on them. I dont know how to hack websites and how to prove who did it or who didnt.

About the only thing I do know is how to be and act civilised towards others, and I see a whole lot of that not happening. Mainly from people who seemingly dont know the details and still choose to pick sides.

I hope people learn something from these issues. I'm not convinced many will, however.

It is nice to see voices of reason in this thread and GAF in general though. Mods have done well this week.
 
One example coming out of E3 was this article, where it applauded Aisha Tyler for being the presenter of Ubisoft's conference (as insufferable as I think she is, I agreed), then immediately backhanded white men presenting their game (with the bonus of ignoring people like Bonnie Ross from 343i).

Saying that "hiring a talented woman who happened to not look liked damned near everyone else at the show certainly helped" verged a lot more on the side of derogatory more than critical. Compare this to other articles that rightly condemn the segregation of women in eSports and the genuine harassment of women in gaming, Polygon's more than capable that highlighting the inequalities in gaming without shitting on half its audience.


As an on-topic aside, if the hack on Polytron is indeed real, then it's inexcusable, along with the genuinely sexist remarks towards Zoe Quinn.

You're talking about two different things. They're both related, but they're different.

Let me try to explain this as helpfully as I can.

First, you talked about this imagined war on certain narrative tropes, and said that you shouldn't need to "be ashamed of myself for playing a game with a straight white male protagonist." What you're talking about now gender diversity in the development of games and how it presents itself to the public.

These are both related issues since having a more diverse team behind the development of the game will likely lead to the discussion of more diverse issues. But nobody, and I mean nobody, is threatening to take away the games you enjoy playing. I can't stress this enough.

Call of Duty, for example, won't go away because there are games that attempt to more directly tackle social issues. The point is about expanding the market so that more perspectives are represented in the market. You should not feel threatened by the introduction of more games that discuss issues from different perspectives. Put it this way: there aren't fewer Michael Bay films because of films that tackle issues of homosexuality (it is, of course, false to say that people who would be interests don't overlap, just like somebody might enjoy 17th century opera and dub step). But suddenly, the perspective of other people who are represented in a hobby they love but have maybe felt estranged from for one reason or another seem to have stories that represent their worldview. That's a good thing for everyone.
 
Almost 3000 posts of

"Damn that sucks"
"I hate phil fish but he doesn't deserve this"
"#rekt" (currently banned user)
"Guys check this pic I saw on twitter"
"people keep saying he sucks but that doesn't mean he deserves this. smh"
"phil fish sucks but he didn't deserve this"

Repeat Repeat Repeat Repeat Repeat Repeat

And now we have the current can of worms about straight white males and diversity in gaming.

This thread is all over the fucking place and it's only getting progressively worse. I'm out.
 
I for one haven't seen anyone complain about cultural erasure that exists from AC: Unity by removing all French accents and replacing them with British-accented voices. Maybe them being white has something to do with it.

/rant
I can't tell if this post is sarcastic, very poorly thought out or dishonest.

A. Not dubbing with a French accent isn't cultural erasure. Having a heavy accent to denote people are actually speaking another language is a narrative convention, not the appreciation of a culture. Hell, half the time it's there to make fun of said accents.

B. We had several threads about it.

C. The bolded was so fucking stupid it probably gave me a tumor. No shit you'd hide it behind spoiler tags.
 
I love how people say there's no censorship...

This get's posted to reddit, and most of the top comment users have been shadowbanned by reddit admins.

Amazing.

Reddit seems to have a really bizarre moderation policy for most of the major subreddits. I think it's a shame, because it has the effect of stirring up a community that's always presented itself as anti-establishment. The site's karma system already promotes heavy amounts of conformation bias, so you've now ended up with a bunch of really angry emotional commenters. At that point, it's not a matter of conversation, it's just whatever narrative is the most interesting to read gets populated at the top.

To reddit's discredit, I think they want an enemy. They want to show that "game journalism" is "corrupt", that phil fish is a bully, that Quinn is a woman or something, that Max Tempkin wasn't a woman or something, that Patrick Klepek is a "warrior" of "social" "justice" (whatever that means), that Phil Fish is humanity's greatest monster because he gets all et tu brutus on the angry sentence website, that Geoff Keighley is literally a dorito because he was unhappy in a photo that contained doritos, that Anita Sarkeesian stole all of video game's money to make a youtube video.

And I'm not a smart man. I'm not drawing towards anything of significance here. I'm not sure if all of this anger and suspicion and doubt is reflective of industry growing pains, or if people are actively looking for drama, or if people are afraid to be confronted, or what. It's probably one of them fuzzy areas between. But it's weird, right? It feels like this stuff has been brewing for the past couple of years, and it's increasingly hostile. The people on that Reddit thread, I don't think they want a dialogue. They're in a comments section, posting opinions, but I don't think that reddit's structure is supportive of anything but general consensus. And at some point that consensus gets hostile, not helped at all by the moderation going on in that website, and you just end up with a huge crock of shit with people flip flopping between swearing at the admins, throwing out directed personal insults at fish or quinn or whoever, and it just makes me disappointed. Because I like going to Reddit.com, because there are some cool subsections of that website.

It's a situation where you wish that everyone would kinda just sit down and talk it out, you know? And I think the press don't want to, because in some ways, this whole thing is still centered around actual people with feelings. And I'm not sure if the press are just going to ignore that and try to skirt around the personal stuff and address the larger issues people are worried about, or if it's too tightly ingrained that at some point this does become a very personal uncomfortable conversation. And maybe they already are and I haven't been paying close enough attention to this mess for my own sanity.

I've spent too long thinking about this without anything worthwhile popping out the other end. I just hope that people get a grip, that they realise video games aren't coming to an end because a text adventure got mentioned on kotaku. Even if, at points, the concept of Fez 2 being cancelled feels like the end of video games forever.
 
Basically the thread seems to be a lot of "I'm not saying he deserved it, but he deserved it."

I can't say, as I haven't read the entire thread. But one poster brought up the point that, you can think Phil's actions are disgusting, and also not think he deserved being hacked. You can totally believe all the allegations of Zoe Quinn, and still not think she deserves what is happening. Doesn't have to be one or the other.
 
Reddit seems to have a really bizarre moderation policy for most of the major subreddits.



it's community moderated, so it's different depending on the subreddit

once again, we're dealing with individuals, not all of reddit or all of 4chan
 
One example coming out of E3 was this article, where it applauded Aisha Tyler for being the presenter of Ubisoft's conference (as insufferable as I think she is, I agreed), then immediately backhanded white men presenting their game (with the bonus of ignoring people like Bonnie Ross from 343i).

Saying that "hiring a talented woman who happened to not look liked damned near everyone else at the show certainly helped" verged a lot more on the side of derogatory more than critical. Compare this to other articles that rightly condemn the segregation of women in eSports and the genuine harassment of women in gaming, Polygon's more than capable that highlighting the inequalities in gaming without shitting on half its audience.


As an on-topic aside, if the hack on Polytron is indeed real, then it's inexcusable, along with the genuinely sexist remarks towards Zoe Quinn.
How is saying that there was a lot of white men presenting and it was nice to have a little diversity derogatory in the least? I literally can't see how that could be offensive.
 
I'm denying it. He seems like a fun guy. No one deserves this bystander aggression. I think we'd win a lot if people stopped making "Phil is a dick, but..."-posts.

I agree. I'm surprised that people are allowed to freely insult this man on Gaf as long as they add, "he doesn't deserve this." What did he personally do to any of these people that they feel justified to constantly insult him? Are their egos so precious that someone having an occasional Twitter rant affects them this much? This man has had torrents of abuse directed at him for years. Whenever his name is mentioned here you can guarantee there will be pages of insults hurled at him. For what? Well, apparently for the crime of standing up for himself. Because we can't have that can we? It's perfectly fine for Johnny anonymous to hide behind his pc and spew endless hate at public figures like Phil Fish, but god forbid they should answer back. The internet really needs to get over itself.
 
it's community moderated, so it's different depending on the subreddit

once again, we're dealing with individuals, not all of reddit or all of 4chan

Like, of course it's not all of the image macro websites, but I'd feel pretty confident in saying a significant portion of the people who bothered to comment in that /r/videos thread are the people to which the criticism is relevant.

It's probably safe to assume that there's an amount of people who disagree with the comments in that thread, who don't care to comment themselves. Which again probably speaks more to reddit's general moderation than anything (despite being moderated by different members of the community, tends to be pretty similar in actuality when you think of different cases of moderation teams going against the grain).
 
Edit: I don't want to contribute to this thread going off topic. What I want to talk about isn't really relevant to this thread/section. My apologies.
 
I have read on another site that the passwords on the infamous 1.5GB file don't really work. I assume this has been debunked, but can someone provide me with some links on the subject?
 
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