I was spanked as child (very rarely and certainly not violently). My mom also slapped me once (which, quite frankly, I was asking for). I don't know if I will do the same with my children, but sometimes momma or papa wolf need to put the pups in their place.
Pope Francis says it is OK to smack children if their dignity is maintained
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Austriacus
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Curious, what is outside. Did you know that 44 countries in thr world already prohibit corporal punishment?
Sorry gaf, I'm on board with spankings. Happened to me and just about all of my friends and looking back it didn't even border on abuse. It wasn't a slap that came out of nowhere, it was a very formal "Ok, now do you know why you're getting a spanking?" procedure that was more about anticipating the spank than actually being hurt by it.
Obviously it can escalate to unacceptable levels in some cases, but what can't.
Obviously it can escalate to unacceptable levels in some cases, but what can't.
Aquamarine
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lol
Well they are allowed to study/practice economics/science/etc.
I think it'd solve some of the Catholic church's problems if priests could have normal lives. Would certainly attract a wider pool of people to the position.
Maintenance
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That happened once in my school (LA here too). The teacher hit one student, then the parent of that kid came into the school and hit the teacher, (the father was a huge dude, the teacher wasn't even close to that) while saying "Are you man enough to hit me, too?"
Less than a week later the teacher resigned and went somewhere else.
Agreed. I probably won't do it to my children but its surprising how disrespectful some of these kids are.
One of my friends openly curses at his mom calling her a bitch, fuck off etc.. I couldn't comprehend saying that to my parents. Not saying that spanking negates this but giving him a time out or whatever is laughable.
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kingwingin
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One day when I have kids and they get out of line I'll give them a good slap,
Delta Assault
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And if I confined an adult to a room against their will, it'd be kidnapping and false imprisonment.
Let's just outlaw parents I guess?
Spanking can have it's place. Sometimes there's no way to reason with a child and it shows is a way to certain some authority. Of course the idea isn't to hurt the child.
Also, smh at comparing to child abuse. We are talking about a light spanking not a beat down. It's like everything has to be black and white.
Also, smh at comparing to child abuse. We are talking about a light spanking not a beat down. It's like everything has to be black and white.
Arrogant Bastard
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Pretty much, mainly because I find the issue to be rather impossible to actually scientifically study.
Austriacus
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Its not people its entire organisations around the world. I hope you are not inferring we are lowering our head and just giving people what they want.
Arrogant Bastard
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Why?
Austriacus
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Whats your reasoning behind this.
Im hoping this doesnt sound like evolution deniers(not that the two are in any way comparable of course)
So what age can I start spanking? 6 months? 12 months? 18 months? What is GAF's agreeable age?
What age do I have to stop spanking? 8? 10? 12? How about girls... can I still spank my daughter when she's 12? 14? Just want to make sure so the authorities don't get any ideas about sexual abuse, understand?
If my child is mentally handicapped, am I allowed to still slap them? How about physically handicapped? Is that OK too?
What about the elderly... sometimes their minds are so addled and they're clearly not of right mind. Is it OK to strike them when they need to be put in their place?
You guys seem to have all the answers. Give 'em to me so I can start on the road to 'discipline'.
What age do I have to stop spanking? 8? 10? 12? How about girls... can I still spank my daughter when she's 12? 14? Just want to make sure so the authorities don't get any ideas about sexual abuse, understand?
If my child is mentally handicapped, am I allowed to still slap them? How about physically handicapped? Is that OK too?
What about the elderly... sometimes their minds are so addled and they're clearly not of right mind. Is it OK to strike them when they need to be put in their place?
You guys seem to have all the answers. Give 'em to me so I can start on the road to 'discipline'.
Arrogant Bastard
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I just don't see how you can accurately study it. I mean how is the study going to be set up? You have some parents spank their children and others who don't report in? How can you accurately gauge the accuracy, were they really 'beating' their children, were they using spanking as another tool or their only tool?
Nope, don't have all the answers, parenting isn't Ikea furniture, there aren't a perfect set of instructions that you just follow.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Why is this the prevailing response with people who were spanked/hit and "turned out fine"?
LOL HAHA.
Aquamarine
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I had it all throughout my childhood, it kept me from being a little brat, and I don't fault my parents in the slightest for it.
So it's pretty hard for me to vilify it when it worked wonders on me as a kid. It's a hard hurdle to jump across when you've had a lifetime worth of experiences showing the opposite effect.
GAF tends to be very sensitive on lots of issues. Some of them I'm sensitive right along with them, but others like this....it's hard for me to go along with the crowd.
I feel like a lot of people forget what it feels like as a kid to be beat, or what hitting a kid is actually doing for them. Hitting them doesn't just magically make them obedient and aware of what they did wrong.
Im not totally against beating children, but it pisses me off when people pretend they aren't just using fear and pain to control they're kids.
Im not totally against beating children, but it pisses me off when people pretend they aren't just using fear and pain to control they're kids.
You're being obtuse. There isn't a "standard" for this. Common sense mostly guides the decision to spank or not too. Personally my parent never hit me after I was 12. At that point I was smart enough not to do anything too stupid....that they would find out about anyways.
I'm curious as to the ages of the US anti/pro spanking members. I'm 34, and spanking seemed to be the norm for our generation. Younger GAF has a different perspective I'm sure.
It's one thing to argue that spank isn't the best tool or that it doesn't need to be used and other that it's child abuse.
The second reaction will make people react defensively and saying that. Because saying it's child abuse is a extremist opinion so it's met with extremist responses.
I hardly classify spanking a child as child abuse. Seriously guys. I've been slapped by my parents when I was young when I deserved it. And you know what, I turned out okay. Just like millions of other kids. Nothing wrong with it. I'm not saying you should do it on a daily basis offcourse.
If I ever have a child, I'm not going to spank him / her. It just feels wrong, IMO. I was spanked a handful of times, never strongly, and while it didn't have any negative effect on me in the long run, I also don't think it was needed and FWIW my mother says she wishes she wouldn't have done it. I guess it's tough when your kid is unruly (I was always a well behaved kid, so yeah) but that's pretty much one of the possible outcomes of deciding to be a parent.
As for the Pope - I'm not sure how he's any qualified to broadcast a statement about this. But then the same is true about many issues. Religion should only comment on religion, to be honest.
As for the Pope - I'm not sure how he's any qualified to broadcast a statement about this. But then the same is true about many issues. Religion should only comment on religion, to be honest.
no. my experience counts more.
Obviously a slap on the butt isn't going to hurt anyone, but statements like this only encourage the people who use implements and whatnot.
There's no real way to police corporal punishment, which is why I'd rather just have it banned period. And yes I realize you can't really police it even with a ban, but at least it would actively discourage it.
There's no real way to police corporal punishment, which is why I'd rather just have it banned period. And yes I realize you can't really police it even with a ban, but at least it would actively discourage it.
Austriacus
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What you are saying could basically be used to discredit all of psychology my friend, is that your stance?
Arrogant Bastard
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All of it? No it couldn't, and no.
striferser
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A bit. Though as the studies states, there are several thing that must be accounted. There's still a debate that the spanking occur due to the children being more problematic than other childrens who get less spanked. There are still much variable that needed to be taken account in the studies. Not to mention the result might be skewed by other factor as well.
Its a long term studies that need to be test repeatedly. Its very hard to make generalization of this issue, and rather it need to be case by case basis because of so many difference.
One could argue that by doing experiment, they could find a better result. But due to ethical problem, it can't really be done.
poppabk
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"Nearly all forms of corporal punishment were used significantly less in countries which had prohibited than in those where corporal punishment was still lawful. For example, while over half of French and Spanish parents had spanked their childs bottom, only 4% of Swedish parents and around 17% of Austrian and German parents had done so. Nearly half of Spanish and French parents had used severe corporal punishment (a resounding slap on the face, beating with an object or severe beating) on more than one occasion, compared with 14% of Austrian and German parents and 3.4% of Swedish parents. "
http://www.endcorporalpunishment.org/pages/research/prohibited.html
It is interesting that the hold-outs are pretty likely to resort to severe beatings.
You can do it as soon as you feel like it's necessary to correct his behavior.
You never have to stop. Which doesn't necessarily mean you have to continue. It's your job to educate him, if he's not doing anything wrong why should you keep smacking him?
I guess that you'll be fine avoiding ideas about sexual abuse if you somehow manage to giver her bath while a toddler without those accusations.
Just because your child is mentally or physically handicapped you don't want to educate him/her? How cruel is that?
Now that's just trolling, too bad i lost time answering... my bad, i guess.
Austriacus
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Ok so this opinion you have is it formed after looking at the research and concluding that the methods are inadequate (and if so could you point me to them) or based on a hunch.
I am sure a spanking or two would have set some people straight. I know it helped me, it was a good lesson. I don't see what the huge outrage is unless you are constantly abusing and hitting the kid, but a good smack every one or two years when you did something wrong can do wonders.
At the very least this proves that spanking is not needed, and it's culture-dependent. I doubt Sweden has a widespread problem of unruly children due to the lack of spanking.
Haha.
Arrogant Bastard
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I haven't extensively looked at the research, but lets take this news article which discusses one such study.
How can you just link spanking with behavioral problems? Isn't it just as plausible that the behavioral problems came about because of other factors?
poppabk
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Sure it does. I'm not really pro-spanking though I'm anti 'no-spanking'. Actually that's not true either, I wouldn't be vehemently against a spanking ban, I'm just against demonizing people for spanking their children.
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Must be a cultural thing. I'm in the US.
NervousXtian
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I again don't find research on this to be an easy thing to judge. There's so much more going on than spanking. It's not give this pill to this person and placebo to the next. There's so much more than just spanking/not-spanking.
Also the research isn't overwhelming at condemning it as at all effective, at best it's that something else might be more effective. It's not some kind of open and shut case.
I guess I sort of did, and yeah saying no offense doesn't mean it's not offensive to those people. I just can't see someone actively saying it's okay to spank from a position of authority in the US not being held civilly liable if something bad happens.
I mean, you tell someone spanking is okay.. they spank their kid and have CSD take them away.. they come back and say you said it was okay. Now it's on you. That's a tough spot to be in. Finding techniques outside of that box really is the best for people in the field.
I'm not saying there's no other forms of discipline that work very well with children.. there most definitely is. I'm just against the line of saying spanking is child abuse, and should never be used. There's circumstances that dictate it as a course of action that a pop on the butt works, and works well.
I don't think that's true at all.. I remember vividly some of the times I was spanked, the reason I was spanked, and exactly how I felt afterwards.
I knew exactly what I did wrong, and I knew it was wrong.. but being a little shit I still did it because I was being an asshole. My parents knew I knew what I did was wrong as well, and that at that point I didn't care and was doing it anyhow.
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