3 [m] CCS - New - GMT
Starts off with No Lynch. I *hate* No Lynches, with a deep fiery detest rivalled only by my dislike of Michael McIntyre. They add nothing to the world, the either of them. But I don't want to flog the dead horse again, and more importantly, the temptation to no Lynch is strong for new players - it feels "safe" and comforting. So I'm not going to hold it against CCS too much - unlike, say, Danganronopa, where the experienced Makai was non-committal all game long and won as neutral despite me pointing out how scummy (well, anti-town) they were day one (yes, I am still bitter).
The trouble is, CCS took a long time to budge from this despite several players trying to persuade him otherwise. Probably just stubborn play, but... yeah, really stubborn. Often a town quality, but not always the most useful one. And to make it worse, aside from fighting back on the idea of No Lynch, much of the rest of CCS' posts are just... fluff. When i saw 70+ posts, I was thinking "okay, lots to analyze here." But there isn't - there's reams upon reams of not much. Like:
Scum
Scum
Scuuuuuuuum
Weird word when you think about it
Scum
Useful that, right? And these few paragraphs of analysis have already got me through the first 25(!!) posts made by CCS.
First useful stuff is in #248, where we get a vote for Flame_AC. Pretty basic justification: few posts, most fluffy (second is just a little hypocritical...). #268 is a bit strange: asking me my read of them. Now: I don't really ask people for their read of me except in quite unusual situations. It's just not that useful for me. Self-perception, I think, is quite a tricky skill in mafia - especially for town. i don't second guess my actions as town, because second-guessing yourself is what makes you scum. I just assume I come across as town to everyone. If I don't? Their loss. And I don't find out much useful by knowing they think I'm scum (again, a few edge cases aside). In my experience, asking what people think of you is only really done by a) very new players, b) scum. Now CCS fits in a) as much as they could b), so giving a pass here, but I really flagged this up.
#294 is strange. CCS states they are wary of the QuantumBro wagon because QuantumBro hasn't been hugely active. But CCS just spent the last big batch of posts vehemently voting for Flame-AC on the logic that we ought to lynch inactives. So why does a wagon on an inactive make them uneasy? More little warning bells for me here.
#341 is real *yawn* stuff. Just musings/ramblings that don't go anywhere. Sawneeks calls this out for being passive, but CCS doesn't adjust how they post. This puts me more towards inexperienced player: scum tend to change their patterns very easily and immediately avoid whatever it was they get called out for. So right now in my opinions, CCS is walking the fine line between "new" and "scum". #356 just makes no sense and is very poorly justified - I don't see any reason to want to lynch Haly even if you believe LoC's claim, because LoC's argument made absolutely no sense, and obviously so at that. It's pretty possible to believe LoC but think lynching Haly was silly - the road that I'd already taken at that point (others too, I'm just pointing out people had already pointed out how nonsensical this was in advance of CCS doing it). Again, this tilts me towards new - mafia often come up with dubious justifications for lynching people they want to get out of the way, but there's dubious and then there's that.
So around this point I got pretty edgy about CCS, and pushed CCS on being fluffy and not putting out any new material. CCS responded:
>No original opinions
>Only person to vote for Flame on Day 1
>Only person voting for CornBurrito today
>Top kek
But this is an atrocious defence. CCS wasn't the only person to vote Flame-AC Day 1 - both Sawneeks and Bronx had. Additionally, while CCS might have been the first person to actually throw a vote down for Corn, the actual opinion definitely wasn't unique because the post before...
CCS said:
Basically, my thinking is that I follow Crab's reasoning that there a good chance Kalor or CornBurrito are scum, and since Kalor already has a few votes on him I don't want to join a pile on until we've had a bit more of a discussion.
Like, your whole justification was following my argument - I just gave two possibilities, and CCS picked the one I wasn't leaning towards at the time but used my logic to defend it. That's not an original opinion, and I think this is patently obvious.
There's some weird stuff about having claimed with their avatar after they get some suspiscion from me. Apparently it was just joking but the other "just joking" today ended up being scum, so... at best this is terrible town play but it looked an awful lot like panicked flailing. And by #482, CCS is still on Flame, as he has been... more or less the entire game. Now, that's okay if you genuinely find them to be scum - but you still need to explore other avenues at least, and there's very little questioning or probing from CCS.
That's basically up to now. Verdict? New, scum, or new scum. Really not liking CCS' play and were it not for the fact I'm more confident about Burbeting I'd be pushing for this lynch right here.
5 [m] Coppanuva - EST
Not going over this in too much detail. Basically: this isn't a bastard game. If we have Masons, and they're told their partner in their role PM, they'll be town - cabot isn't going to stick a scum Mason on us, that's too much of a dick move. So if Coppanuva is scum, Haly is too, and vice versa. For scum to put such an enormous risk on themselves - I'm inclinced to think there are three scum left, so this would be two-thirds of them - is close to unthinkable. All it takes is one to get killed by a stray hit or whatever (bomb or something) and the other is revealed. I just don't buy it and I'm not going to spend too much going over the either of them.
Verdict: town.
6 [m] CornBurrito - EST
Doesn't vote to start. Fluff about what we like about cabot. Fluff in reponse to Pop. Fluff about kryptik. Very safe vote on Pop for the time it was made. Continues making very safe points about Pop. Defense of Evilisk (oh he's new). Another defense of Evilisk. No real meat on those bones. More totally safe posts, including whole post to explain how the highlight tags work. Dodging around Haly - mocks Haly's explanation but then goes on to defend Haly, and using an argument already used at this point. There's a line of set-up speculation. After defending Haly - literally immediately after, his next post - he then votes Haly. But why??? Willing to switch vote to quietest person - totally safe. Then wagons to Flame_AC.
I shouldn't be able to sum up an experienced mafia player on the third day with a single paragraph, and especially not such a damning paragraph. Like, this is such poor quality contribution it's actually making me second guess myself - would scum be THIS obvious? I don't want to go down that route because that way madness lies, but Verdict: scum, or townie that really needs to be ashamed of themselves. Don't care too much if Corn is lynched but I want to apply pressue to Burb first.
