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[Dontero]

https://www.computerbase.de/2019-01/amd-gonzalo-next-gen-konsolen-soc-zen-kernen-navi-grafik/

google translate:

https://translate.google.com/transl...solen-soc-zen-kernen-navi-grafik/&sl=de&tl=en

AMD 2G16002CE8JA2_32/10/10_13E9 is the naming which gives:

2 = ES1
160 = 1.6Ghz (Base)
0 = Model Stepping
2C = TDP
E = Package (Socket)
8 = 8C
J = Cache Size
A2 = A2 Stepping (?)
32 = 3.2Ghz (Boost)
10 = ???
10 = iGPU Clock (?)
13E9 = PCI-ID : Navi 10LITE (GFX1000/1001).

Basically we know it will be 8 Core ryzen with base clock of 1,6Ghz and boost of 3,2Ghz
The real unknown is GPU because so far this naming does not follow traditional naming convention for AMD GPUs.
Which means NAVI is not standard GCN. It could not be GCN at all but completely new architecture.

3,2 boost is enough for consoles before anyone asks. It is like multiple times faster than PS4 cpu.

Naming suggest it will be 10CU. If this was old GCN this would be really small amount of CUs but if Navi is their new arch then those 10 could be new CUs which should not be compared to old CUs.

 

[Kenpachii]

3.2 is actually pretty high if you ask me.

 

[Von Hugh]

The 'LITE' part is what concerns me.

 

[onQ123]

Not much info but it's info!

 

[Handy Fake]

 

[onQ123]

The 'LITE' part is what concerns me.

The LITE part only tells me that there is a HEAVY

Remember that Scarlet is said to have a S model & X model

 

[DeepEnigma]

3.2 is actually pretty high if you ask me.

Isn't that one of the lowest spec Zen parts?

1.6 clock profile would make sense for PS4BC, and 3.2 for PS5 games.

 

[Endless Fluff]

3.2 is actually pretty high if you ask me.

It's actually pretty low by todays CPU standards. Mid-Range and entry level CPUs run at around 4GHz (the Ryzen 2400 boosts up to 3.9GHz), even smartphones hit close to 3GHz nowadays.

It should be good enough for consoles.

 

[Dontero]

3.2 is actually pretty high if you ask me.

It is boost clock. Meaning it will run most of the time lower than that.

It's actually pretty low by todays CPU standards. Mid-Range and entry level CPUs run at around 4GHz (the Ryzen 2400 boosts up to 3.9GHz), even smartphones hit close to 3GHz nowadays.
It should be good enough for consoles.

Consoles don't need high clocks. Also don't compare clock to mobile clocks, mobile cpus are ultra slow compared to desktop cpus even those who clock very high.

The 'LITE' part is what concerns me.

Probably their internal naming for type of GPU used on chipplet. Navi will have low medium and high end cards made out of that arch.

Lite could be just internal name for "Lite" version of PS5 which would be for 1080p screens while bigger chip could go to pro version.

I don't think neither MS or Sony will just announce one console. It makes no sense not to give people choice on that matter especially when it is preatty clear that they will be asking for minimum 600$ console

 

[Toe-Knee]

The LITE part only tells me that there is a HEAVY

Remember that Scarlet is said to have a S model & X model

To me it just says its a neutered desktop variant which is what it was always going to be

 

[Dontero]

Isn't that one of the lowest spec Zen parts?

1.6 clock profile would make sense for PS4BC, and 3.2 for PS5 games.

If there will be pro version it will have exact same cpu with same clocks.

1.6/3.2 boost is enough for consoles. It was PS4/XboxOne CPU that was shitty and overall hold whole architecture back.
With new zen cores it will be GPU that will be limiting factor here as it should be.

 

[Toe-Knee]

It's actually pretty low by todays CPU standards. Mid-Range and entry level CPUs run at around 4GHz (the Ryzen 2400 boosts up to 3.9GHz), even smartphones hit close to 3GHz nowadays.

It should be good enough for consoles.

If it's ryzen 1 they were around 3.4ghz

 

[Dontero]

It's actually pretty low by todays CPU standards. Mid-Range and entry level CPUs run at around 4GHz (the Ryzen 2400 boosts up to 3.9GHz), even smartphones hit close to 3GHz nowadays.

It should be good enough for consoles.

True but desktops don't have ~250W max TDP for both CPU and GPU.
And consoles don't have so much space for cooling like desktop have, so even if you could clock it higher there would be no way to dissipate heat.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Isn't that one of the lowest spec Zen parts?

1.6 clock profile would make sense for PS4BC, and 3.2 for PS5 games.

That would be my immediate thought. I can't see a console having a base/boost clock but 1.6GHz for BC and 3.2GHz for PS5 just fits nicely. In saying that this chip might turn out unrelated to next-gen consoles.

 

[ethomaz]

Well... it is what most expect.

 

[Insane Metal]

1,6 Ghz standard and 3,2 Ghz Turbo is pretty shitty. Put this lady @ 4Ghz pls.

 

[deriks]

*read in Chandler's voice*
Yeah, that's me

 

[GoldenEye98]

uhhh what about this info specifically points to it being a console chip and not a regular desktop chip like an apu?....if anything the 10CU's is a huge tip off to the latter.

Edit: well according to this twitter user the 'G' in the code means gaming not desktop

 

[Fake]

3.2 is actually pretty high if you ask me.

Yeah, but he reach by the 'turbo boost' AMD tech if I remember right. The variantion probably for energy saving porpuses.

 

[Redneckerz]

Isn't that one of the lowest spec Zen parts?

1.6 clock profile would make sense for PS4BC, and 3.2 for PS5 games.

1.6 Ghz base would still be a boost compared to Jaguar but yeah, i can see an APU clocking that low for BC.

 

[llien]

 

[Fake]

The LITE is suppose to be a 'mobile' energy efficient term or maybe a custom made.
Where is Digital Foundry when you need?

 

[base]

4k60fps? Not a chance.

 

[onQ123]

Codename: Ariel

The Little Mermaid

also Navi LITE



I'm thinking PS5 is going to be 2 SKUs one for mobile VR & a console or something like that

 

[shark sandwich]

Isn't that one of the lowest spec Zen parts?

1.6 clock profile would make sense for PS4BC, and 3.2 for PS5 games.

Plot twist: PS5 still uses the Jaguar netbook CPU and downclocks to 1.6 GHz for PS4 BC.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Codename: Ariel

The Little Mermaid

also Navi LITE



I'm thinking PS5 is going to be 2 SKUs one for mobile VR & a console or something like that

Ariel wanted legs, to go where the people are.

 

[Futaleufu]

4k60fps? Not a chance.

Never had a chance.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Do we know this is PS5 or could this be the new Xbox streaming box

 

[onQ123]

Ariel wanted legs, to go where the people are.

lol

 

[Chozofication_]

uhhh what about this info specifically points to it being a console chip and not a regular desktop chip like an apu?....if anything the 10CU's is a huge tip off to the latter.

Edit: well according to this twitter user the 'G' in the code means gaming not desktop

Ryzen 2400G is a desktop apu.

I don't think these people have a clue.

 

[Kenpachii]

4k60fps? Not a chance.

That has more to do with the GPU then the CPU. These boxes are going to be heavy GPU limited. There is honestly no reason to go all out on the CPU department if there is no GPU booting it.

 

[TeamGhobad]

10CU...must be the heartlock model.

 

[base]

That has more to do with the GPU then the CPU. These boxes are going to be heavy GPU limited. There is honestly no reason to go all out on the CPU department if there is no GPU booting it.

You need both good cpu and gpu. You can achieve 4k60fps even on ps4 pro but the environment in a game would be missing everything.

Remember ac unity and ubi telling us about huge crowds? They had to limit them due to poor cpu.

 

[ethomaz]

I don't know... where is they getting that 10 CU?

VEGA 20 is called VEGA 20 but it didn't have 20 CU.

NAVI 10 means nothing at all.

 

[GoldenEye98]

I don't know... where is they getting that 10 CU?

VEGA 20 is called VEGA 20 but it didn't have 20 CU.

NAVI 10 means nothing at all.

Yeah there is a lot speculation going on in trying to decipher that chip code.

When it comes to naming of their gpu architectures...I know the case of Polaris, Polaris 10 was the big chip(36 CU's) and Polaris 11 was the smaller chip (16CU's).

 

[kyussman]

That's certainly a lot of letters and numbers......hope it's good news,lol.

 

[llien]

Interesting, although not at all surprising, that 2/3rd of Graphics R&D was involved with Navi not only because of Sony, but perhaps even more so because Microsfot.

VEGA 20 is called VEGA 20 but it didn't have 20 CU.

NAVI 10 means nothing at all.

Indeed.

 

[ReBurn]

4k60fps? Not a chance.

Already possible, but developers make choices. This is the way of things.

 

[onQ123]

Matching up pretty close to what Osirisblack said

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/possible-ps5-leak-info.1467805/page-7#post-253564893

As of right now the specifications are pretty much finalized some of the parts are a bit pricey at the moment so it wont be released for a while. Looking at another year to year and a half before its released but it should be announced very soon. Development kits are circulating Bend, Santa Monica, ND and Sucker Punch and Guerrilla are all hands on. The machine is 100% backwards compatible and very powerful. I have a better format but just to get it out there to you AMD Ryzen cpu custom configuration 3.20 ghz, 7nm Navi gpu 1.121 ghz 18GB RAM @880GB/s

I really think this will be a lot like what they did with the PS4 going to PS4 Pro with a doubling of the GPU so a 72 CU GPU at 1.121 would be 10.33 TFLOPS

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Need a Hellpoint Dev to make sense of this

 

[DeepEnigma]

Matching up pretty close to what Osirisblack said

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/possible-ps5-leak-info.1467805/page-7#post-253564893





I really think this will be a lot like what they did with the PS4 going to PS4 Pro with a doubling of the GPU so a 72 CU GPU at 1.121 would be 10.33 TFLOPS

Would Navi efficiency change the teraflops at all compared to going off of a custom Polaris?

 

[Elios83]

It's pretty obvious that the next gen consoles will be based around a 8-core Ryzen CPU and a Navi GPU (or whatever power efficient GPU architecture AMD is hopefully cooking).
Also it's obvious that the CPU and GPU clock won't be as high as in desktop parts because power dissipation and dimensions are an issue.
Btw AMD is taping out so many chips for so different applications and markets plus obvious test designs that it's far from concluded that this chip is a next gen console SOC.

 

[Tygeezy]

That has more to do with the GPU then the CPU. These boxes are going to be heavy GPU limited. There is honestly no reason to go all out on the CPU department if there is no GPU booting it.

Freesync and higher refreshrate tv's. It could be possible to do 120 fps games assuming you have the right tv.

 

[Shin]

we know it will be 8 Core ryzen with base clock of 1,6Ghz and boost of 3,2Ghz

Consoles don't have a base and boost clock, they have a fixed clock and going by Sisoft Sandra Vega 4/8 APU leak I think it will be around 3GHz.

The real unknown is GPU because so far this naming does not follow traditional naming convention for AMD GPUs.
Which means NAVI is not standard GCN. It could not be GCN at all but completely new architecture.

Navi is GCN and confirmed some months ago through various websites (to my disappointment), the GPU after Navi (which in itself is fairly unknown) is still up in the air.
If there was some sort of agreement between MS/Sony and AMD then it might make sense as to why the naming scheme isn't following previous patterns (I think).
Especially since semi-custom is important or became more important to them with the current generations and/or sales of the APU's, I could see them doubling down on that.

Also here's an English article as alt source: Overclockers3d
Didn't read all these links, but isn't that image in question from from 2016/2017? - Google

 

[ZywyPL]

Info coming from a renown leaker, TUM_APISAK. As the title says, the APU is suppose to include an 8-core Zen CPU at 3.2GHz clock (pretty much what everyone expects), paired with a Navi 10 Lite GPU (I'm guessing the "Lite" means the same as NV's Max-Q, a lowered TDP treatment). The APU will supposedly run the upcoming PS5 and XB2.





Source:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-navi-soc-xbox-scarlett-playstation-5,38468.html

 

[onQ123]

Would Navi efficiency change the teraflops at all compared to going off of a custom Polaris?

No the FP32 TF number would stay the same no matter how efficient one GPU is over the other but that number is just that "a number" it tells you how many FP32 floating point operations that could be done in a second.


But in the next era of GPUs I'm guessing that Deep Learning is going to be a big deal so you might see fp16 , 10bit , 8bit & so on used for different stuff getting more operations out of the GPU.

 

[Redneckerz]

I'm thinking PS5 is going to be 2 SKUs one for mobile VR & a console or something like that

I really think this will be a lot like what they did with the PS4 going to PS4 Pro with a doubling of the GPU so a 72 CU GPU at 1.121 would be 10.33 TFLOPS

What makes you say this? You aren't saying this so that months in the future you can backtrack those posts and claim you knew already, right? Especially the former.

Without anything to back it up, this is just pure speculating.

I am thinking PS5 is going to be a device that plays games. I also think PS5 is going to be a cum closet with a game by Hellpoint Dev called ''Dawn at the 5th Closet''.

(Am i doing this right Musky_Cheese ?)

 

[Imtjnotu]

Already a thread my man

 

[onQ123]

What makes you say this? You aren't saying this so that months in the future you can backtrack those posts and claim you knew already, right? Especially the former.

Without anything to back it up, this is just pure speculating.

I am thinking PS5 is going to be a device that plays games. I also think PS5 is going to be a cum closet with a game by Hellpoint Dev called ''Dawn at the 5th Closet''.

(Am i doing this right Musky_Cheese ?)

I'm just going to say that there will most likely be a wearable VR device in the future but I can't say if it will be a wearable PS4/PS5 or just a portable platform but I would guess that Sony isn't going to waste time on a new portable platform when PS4 already use a mobile CPU & has a large catalog.




The part about PS5 having 72 CUs is just guess work

 

[ZywyPL]

Already a thread my man

Link please? I searched "Gonzalo" and didn't find anything. Also scrolled first couple of pages with no results as well :/

EDIT:
OK I see now, guess ignoring people makes you unable to see threads they make.