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[winjer]

Doesn't the leak says ~260mm?

Read carefully what Kepler said.

 

[Loxus]

I don't believe it'll cost over a $1000 if it's a traditional console. The 5090 BOM probably cost ~$750 with most of the budget going to die cost. It's high MSRP cost is due R&D, logistics, marketing, etc.

With consoles we generally see little MSRP increase compared to BOM.

Console manufacturers generally aim for small die sizes due to wafer cost and yields. With a chiplet design, you can aim for larger overall size due to the improve yields of smaller chips.

Even though the overall size is large, it may cost the same as a smaller monolithic die.

 

[Loxus]

Jupiter is one of the codenames for the Steam Deck APU

Isn't Jupiter the codename for the PS6 handheld or is that rumor false?

 

[Radical_3d]

Read carefully what Kepler said.

AMD Magnus is a massive APU with a 264 mm squared graphics die and a 384-bit bus, making it a powerful product 16:54

???? Kepler just said it's not PS6 but XBox.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

???? Kepler just said it's not PS6 but XBox.

Actually I think I've misread Kepler's post there. I'll edit my previous post.

 

[winjer]

???? Kepler just said it's not PS6 but XBox.

Again, read what kepler wrote:

(50% larger than the PS5)

 

[SSfox]

I don't give a flying fuck about what ps6 hardware will be. I care about if it will have real exclusives or fake exclusives.

Fake exclusives= Timed exclusives for those who don't get it

 

[MikeM]

Can it run GTA VI at 60FPS?

It may IF Rockstar wants the game to sell well on handhelds too

 

[Radical_3d]

Again, read what kepler wrote:

So it's contradicting what the MLID leak said? Or are two different machines? But even if they are different machines Kepler commented that the MLID leak is probably an XBox. And everything is an XBox /s

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

So it's contradicting what the MLID leak said? Or are two different machines? But even if they are different machines Kepler commented that the MLID leak is probably an XBox. And everything is an XBox /s

I'm open to corrected by Kepler but...:

Codename [Magnus] is not a Shakespeare character[AMD uses for PS), every AMD Playstation APU so far has been 256-bit [Magnus is 384bit] , and the die size in general [for Magnus] is extremely large (50% larger than the PS5).

If I'm right that makes things clearer?

 

[Radical_3d]

I'm open to corrected by Kepler but...:

Codename [Magnus] is not a Shakespeare character[AMD uses for PS), every AMD Playstation APU so far has been 256-bit [Magnus is 384bit] , and the die size in general [for Magnus] is extremely large (50% larger than the PS5).

If I'm right that makes things clearer?

 

[foamdino]

I'm gonna do a bit of wild (totally not real) speculation:
It's the next XBox apu

• 8 zen6c == back compat with series consoles/xbox one
• 3 big zen6 == emulation grunt for 360 ppc chip (which was tri-core) - edit, actually they already emulate in sw so they don't need to map 1:1 cores - forget this note then.
• huge bus (384 bit) - MS likes to do this

PS6 apu will be smaller and less power hungry as it will not be going into tower cases (OEM route)

Also I'm fairly certain there's not enough "custom" stuff on here - MLID would have called out anything that wasn't normal (like the bus)

 

[Gaiff]

I don't give a flying fuck about what ps6 hardware will be. I care about if it will have real exclusives or fake exclusives.

Fake exclusives= Timed exclusives for those who don't get it

Then fuck off from this thread?

 

[Bernardougf]

I wouldn't be too excited for quality specs. Just watch, Sony will begin hyping something irrelevant within the next 2 years because their specs are nothing to write home about. My best guess is that they'll be selling the PS6 on AI upscaling, which isn't exactly irrelevant, but everyone does it, and for a long time, so how is this a selling point of a system that i expect to be sold for $699-799? All those juicy specs that we'll see leaks about are gonna get nerfed into the ground for low wattage consumption.

They have a bigger problem than that.. they are releasing first party sequel games 5 years into the gen that barely looks different from their counter part on ps4, and their PSSR proprietary upscaling was rushed out of the door with visible compatibility flaws with current RT tech... if they want to sell the ps6 in huge numbers from the get go, they will have to do with a good number of exclusives (not crossgen) and that showcase from the getgo the power of the system as something really different.

Trying to sell a 699 system with crossgen games that look like ps5 games its going to be a bitch (exactly like the ps5pro).. I dont know even if a 599 system changes that much

Imo they have to do like nintendo and sit on this thing until at least 29/30 to launch something with a bigger cost/benefit effectiveness and give their studios and partners time to make exclusive games for it.

 

[mayham2199]

They have a bigger problem than that.. they are releasing first party sequel games 5 years into the gen that barely looks different from their counter part on ps4, and their PSSR proprietary upscaling was rushed out of the door with visible compatibility flaws with current RT tech... if they want to sell the ps6 in huge numbers from the get go, they will have to do with a good number of exclusives (not crossgen) and that showcase from the getgo the power of the system as something really different.

Trying to sell a 699 system with crossgen games that look like ps5 games its going to be a bitch (exactly like the ps5pro).. I dont know even if a 599 system changes that much

Imo they have to do like nintendo and sit on this thing until at least 29/30 to launch something with a bigger cost/benefit effectiveness and give their studios and partners time to make exclusive games for it.

I'm not so sure. They have so many people on PS4 I could see them upgrading to PS6 quickly as they'll see it as a very big jump. It's hard to predict honestly because we are in unknown territory.

 

[KeplerL2]

Isn't Jupiter the codename for the PS6 handheld or is that rumor false?

Fake rumor.

Doesn't the leak says ~260mm?

144mm² SoC + 264mm² GCD = 408mm² total area, though my 50% number is only accurate versus Oberon Plus in the PS5 Slim (270mm²), original PS5/Oberon is 300mm2 so Magnus is "only" 33% larger in that case.

 

[Bernardougf]

I'm not so sure. They have so many people on PS4 I could see them upgrading to PS6 quickly as they'll see it as a very big jump. It's hard to predict honestly because we are in unknown territory.

I can only assume that anyone still on ps4 is doing it only for monetary saving reasons, expending 699+ dollars on a new system might not be what they are looking for. But yeah its a fair point.

Anyway I dont think Sony can count with too much FOMO this time... not for a huge launch.. they will have to bring reasons (games) to buy their system.

 

[RodriGames40]

I'm not so sure. They have so many people on PS4 I could see them upgrading to PS6 quickly as they'll see it as a very big jump. It's hard to predict honestly because we are in unknown territory.

I am actually one of these, my last PS was a PS4 and due to prohibitive PC prices I might actually jump over to PS6 outright. Around 40-50 million people might as well be in the same boat.

 

[Bernardougf]

Fake rumor.

144mm² SoC + 264mm² GCD = 408mm² total area, though my 50% number is only accurate versus Oberon Plus in the PS5 Slim (270mm²), original PS5/Oberon is 300mm2 so Magnus is "only" 33% larger in that case.

Dont know if you already answered this question.. but do you see Sony maintaining their classic "release" scheduled.... or you think this gen might get longer than 2028 for ex.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

22core, 384bus, 400mm2...

$1500 is too wild though

 

[Proelite]

Fake rumor.

144mm² SoC + 264mm² GCD = 408mm² total area, though my 50% number is only accurate versus Oberon Plus in the PS5 Slim (270mm²), original PS5/Oberon is 300mm2 so Magnus is "only" 33% larger in that case.

How much denser is N3P vs N4P. 264mm2 is N3P all GPU, while Oberon is 270mm2 N4P with 8 core Zen 2.

 

[Fafalada]

the codename and configuration are much more likely to be for the next-gen Xbox Series X.

Yea but unless there's like 4 of them in SLI configuration that's not the biggest generational jump (Xbox or otherwise).
I trust Sarah Bond over all of yous!

I'd be very surprised by a monolithic APU in excess of 330mm2 from Sony/Cerny.

I mean in fairness - Sony was happily shipping consoles well in excess of 500mm2 of silicon during PS2/PS3 era. But yea it's clearly not the way modern consoles have been built - Cerny or otherwise. Obviously for a good reason - back then 550mm2 would be 90 by the time generation ended - nowadays you'll be lucky to be able to afford one node shrink and that won't be dramatic either.

 

[Physiognomonics]

I'd be very surprised by a monolithic APU in excess of 330mm2 from Sony/Cerny.

I'd like to be surprised on one hand but then I'd also think that it makes sense to keep the chip closer to the low 300s while pushing clocks which means better/easier utilisation and speeding up the entire GPU (same deal as base PS5). Sure, thermals will get higher, but increased thermal/power management capabilities will probably still be a good bit cheaper than a chip that's that much bigger.

Yep. 256bit bus, 8 zen6c cores, and no cpu L3 cache will reduce it a lot already vs that leaked Xbox. How many CUs to get to about 300mm² APU at 3nm?

They could go L3 CPU 3D cache this time (could they?) but it wouldn't change the APU die size.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Yea but unless there's like 4 of them in SLI configuration that's not the biggest generational jump (Xbox or otherwise).
I trust Sarah Bond over all of yous!

I mean in fairness - Sony was happily shipping consoles well in excess of 500mm2 of silicon during PS2/PS3 era. But yea it's clearly not the way modern consoles have been built - Cerny or otherwise. Obviously for a good reason - back then 550mm2 would be 90 by the time generation ended - nowadays you'll be lucky to be able to afford one node shrink and that won't be dramatic either.

Largest technical leap was the wording which likely means some sort of AI

 

[SolidQ]

Mlid picture, It matches with leaked image

 

[Fafalada]

Largest technical leap was the wording which likely means some sort of AI

Sarah said it, I trust her, MS doesn't do tricks.
Besides when has Spencer's team ever lied about anything?

 

[Det]

It makes sense that it's the Xbox since it has a bridge die and is less integrated and customizable.

I believe the PS6 is much more integrated and has much more customization than the Xbox SX2.

 

[Ar¢tos]

I can only assume that anyone still on ps4 is doing it only for monetary saving reasons, expending 699+ dollars on a new system might not be what they are looking for. But yeah its a fair point.

Anyway I dont think Sony can count with too much FOMO this time... not for a huge launch.. they will have to bring reasons (games) to buy their system.

Games (AAA) only stopped being crossgen now (and not all of them) 5 years into the new gen, I have a PS5 but I have yet to play a game that isn't crossgen.
No matter when the PS6 releases, there is no reason to buy one until 5-6 years have passed because of the crossgen curse.
I would still be playing on PS4 if it hadn't broken down and I couldn't find a new one cheaper than a PS5.

 

[Bernardougf]

Games (AAA) only stopped being crossgen now (and not all of them) 5 years into the new gen, I have a PS5 but I have yet to play a game that isn't crossgen.
No matter when the PS6 releases, there is no reason to buy one until 5-6 years have passed because of the crossgen curse.
I would still be playing on PS4 if it hadn't broken down and I couldn't find a new one cheaper than a PS5.

Thats my line of thought also.. I just bought the Pro.. so Ill happily wait unti the next "Pro" launch to buy one ...

But if they come with a great lineup of launch exclusives (not crossgen) then things can be different for me at least. Specially if bloodborne remake becames an ps6 exclusive launch just like demons souls.

 

[mayham2199]

I can only assume that anyone still on ps4 is doing it only for monetary saving reasons, expending 699+ dollars on a new system might not be what they are looking for. But yeah its a fair point.

Anyway I dont think Sony can count with too much FOMO this time... not for a huge launch.. they will have to bring reasons (games) to buy their system.

Well I thinking of it more like PC. When I was on PC I never got the next Nvidia card but I would get the one after. So like I want from a 1080 to a 3080. I know a lot of PC users operated this way as well.