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[FlowersisBritish]

On one hand this kind of self-cannibalization and finger pointing of "Remember, it's in large part your fault!" is becoming way too common in the democratic community. Note: "your" is supposed to mean a lot of things, Whites who voted, PoC who didn't try hard enough, DNC didn't appeal to the farmers enough. Point is, we're doing a lot of finger pointing here and it's tough to convince independents and Repubs that Democrat is better when we're always yelling at each other for not being on the same level of progressive.

On the other hand, Jesus christ guys a little self-reflection isn't a terrible thing to ask. It isn't like anyone's asking anyone to cut off a fucking hand or anything. Yeah, I think that tweet is pretty mean spirited, but if asking this is self-cannibalization then you guys snapping at the fact Trumps voter base was hugely white, then you're also guilty of this dumb self-cannibalization. If you're asking people to be the bigger man and let it go, then actually show by example and be the bigger person and let this fucking go. I guess the best example of the calling the kettle black is if you've ever demanded the DNC look back on their actions in shame but posted here telling people that they shouldn't be ashamed. Can't have it both ways.

Third hand (yes I have three hands, don't judge) I've been treating Trump getting elected as a sort of major death in the family kind of thing, but on a national level. I take a lot of these "How did this happen?" Kind of articles and such with huge amounts of salt because I think we're all still in a phase where we just honestly want to make sense of what is happening. It's only been two months. You wouldn't go up to Shannon two months after her dad died and said "What the fuck Shannon, you could have done more for him!" This is the same kind of thing.

 

[Trey]

I'm tired of "you're the reason why Trump's going to win again!" being used to shut down conversations.

the weakest take there is.

 

[Futureman]

Yeah I know, it's why I try talking to my friends about it, buts it's hard, they just don't see it.

Because those signs make me feel like I'm responsible when I'm not.

Look... if you were really out there*, protesting, volunteering for women's groups, organizing community groups for democratic causes, calling out white friends who let casual racism slip by.... I don't see how these tweets and signs would upset you. You'd obviously know you are doing what you need to do.

This is a call out for white liberals who say "Yay equality" and then do nothing to back up their words.

*not saying you AREN'T out there, obviously I don't know you... the whole point of this movement is to make sure people are acting on their beliefs

 

[Dash_Riprock]

If it makes you feel any better, the Republicans do it to themselves too. #NeverTrump #TeaParty

Republicans fall in line. They always do.

 

[Blader]

I went to the one in Boston not too many black people up there.

I went to the one in Boston too, but alas, did not take a census of the people there.

I just find the infighting talk really tiresome, not at all helpful, and more often perpetuated by people not even participating in activism. If you're genuinely concerned about how receptive white women are to the concerns of women of color, harping on "welp democrats always eat their own" and "we're getting 8 years of Trump aren't we" is incredibly counter-productive.

 

[Crocodile]

Didn't Stump say that was based on exit polls? Saying half (of voting) white women would be more fair and closer to the truth.

I mean yes, exit polls can be a bit unreliable and we'll see how data shake out in the future. Unfortunately they are all we have now. That being said, I still do think its an indictment if Women of Color went 80-90% for Clinton and White Women only went 50% for her. Considering the platform Trump ran on and who he is, he should've been smashed by women of all colors. This is a problem. White Women did help push him over the edge.

For me, the tweet Messofanego posted skewed the entire discussion.

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other about the sign, since the whole point of protest is to be heard, but that tweet is unambiguously telling white women to stay home instead of marching.

The sign is fine (the framing of the picture is a little more dubious but whatever).
The tweet though is out of line imo. I wouldn't ask latino men to go "look in the mirror" as if they're directly to blame for 1/3 of them voting Trump. Hell, men voted in majority for Trump, is that guy tweeting "looking in the mirror" too ? It would be out of line there and it's out of line here. Specially when the people you're targeting were the very same day pretty much protesting against Trump and everything he stands for.

Yeah that tweet did fuck up this entire topic didn't it? Is there a reason we can't ignore a dumb tweet and instead focus on:

Instead of being mad at the sign we should ask why the majority voted for trump.

because the point Alligatorjandro is making is the right one. People in here are yelling about "eating their own" yet they could have easily not taken the bait from that tweet. Sigh :/

We live in a time where we all have our own bubbles. In all honesty it's likely that the 47% of white women who voted Hillary have little to no social contact with the 53% of white women who voted Trump. It's not entirely clear to me what this line of argument is meant to accomplish.

But also...

This.

I mean the march wasn't just in Washington but all over the country/world. I'm sure some of those marchers knew women who voted for Trump in Purple and Red States.

 

[Staccat0]

This thread isn't really "about" anything. The title isn't a sentence, the OP is an incoherent mess, and OP himself wandered off without engaging. There's no thesis to litigate here, just a rabble.

Sure. I don't necessarily disagree with you there.

Still, I actually think it's the juxtaposition of the sign with the Tweets that the majority of reaction is about. I don't have an opinion about the sign personally. It just says a fact that is good to remember going forward.

 

[Plum]

Look... if you were really out there, protesting, volunteering for women's groups, organizing community groups for democratic causes, calling out white friends who let casual racism slip by.... I don't see how these tweets and signs would upset you. You'd obviously know you are doing what you need to do.
.

Torraine's tweet is directed squarely at those people though. Whilst we don't know the exact reasoning behind the sign I'm going to assume it meant something similar as well.

 

[fart town usa]

We white people sure don't like to be called out, do we?

But keep posting about how this is all about you personally and how you're being feeling attacked by those signs and tweets.

It's not so much as being "called out," I personally don't lose any sleep over these things. It's that many of us, for good reason, find these blame game and purity tests among the Left/special interests to be a hindrance to the party and many social causes as whole.

There are many people who are fully on the side of progress but then are labeled all kinds of things because it's just the more progressive thing to do. That or someone isn't recognizing their privilege as much as they should, or that recognizing issues within the democratic party is counter intuitive, etc. All kinds of things that essentially just divide the party.

The Left does it to itself.

 

[CrocMother]

If we were able to break down that white women vote along income and education, I think it would provide a much clearer picture. White people don't really identify themselves along racial lines. That's the advantage of being white, the don't have to. They identify themselves by social standing. So instead of saying "why did white women vote for trump", we should really be asking "why did poorer people vote for trump", or "why did uneducated people vote for trump", or "why did the super rich vote for trump".

That's what is frustrating about this conversation to me. It's based on a misunderstanding of the data.

 

[PillarEN]

Why was it only 47%?

As a white male democrat living in the suburbs of a state that's 90%+ white, I feel alienated as hell and this kind of stuff just discourages me. I won't betray my values, but it sure sucks when both sides pretty much treat you like the enemy.

In some way this is one to reason why some of the 53% voted Trump. When you are mostly surrounded by your own you get the feeling that it's you vs them. "I'm on team white. I like my life so I'm going to vote Republican regardless of pussy this or abortion that". I don't think I'm too far off from reality Steeped is surrounded by. Historically grew up to fear a non-white from some generations ago. You might even like some non-whites in your current generation, but the lineage of voting Republican will not be questioned because that's what your grandparents did and your parents and many in your neighborhood.
I remember when I was in college for Obama's 08 election. I was really surprised by how many women said they would vote for X or Y because their parents did. I didn't ask them. A person on my floor did a little interview video with various people from the dorm house. It was really surprising but history and your upbringing is still incredibly strong even once you have left the nest and entered a world where you are engaged in thinking.

 

[Betty]

I hate that fucking sign. Yes we know that white women voted Trump, but the ones that opposed that asshole have every right that we do to be upset with the situation and to protest his orange ass right along side us. Shit feels super fucking lame, like someones working overtime to get all the people that agree with each other to squabble amongst themselves.

Sure but literally everything he's doing now he did during the campaign trail, he hasn't changed one bit.

 

[Desi]

It's just another shade of the moral absolutism that is leading liberal groups to strangle each other. Agree with every idea they have or you're instantly labeled the enemy.

I remember a few years ago on Gaf when a heavy set of blacks voted against gay marriage in California. Gaf came at us like "get your people". And we did.

 

[Nafai1123]

I'm well aware of how white privilege works. To act like there is a blanket standard of privilege for all white people in general is incredibly naive.

Considering the make up of this country, in terms of region, school systems, economic opportunities, etc. It's simply absurd to act as if there is a standard of privilege that covers the entire nation that is only applicable to white people upon birth.

It's never that simple.

I've never seen anyone imply that it is that simple. In fact, whenever I see white privilege brought up, it's brought up in the context of it's very existence, not the nature of it's existence. Minorities just want white people to acknowledge that it exists, not the individualistic way in which it benefitted one particular person.

 

[Koodo]

This is the kind of attitude that guarantees NO support from white people or at least discourages them into total inaction.

People should build up their allies, not tear them down.

lol, this argument basically boils down to "people of colour should treat whites better or else they'll continue discriminating and/or killing them!"

Historically, people of colour have done everything at their disposable to form alliances and build relationships – the continued existence of institutional racism is exclusively due to the continued resistance of white power to concede equality.

Do not ask people of colour to build up their allies, as they have already tried and continue trying to do so. A better question would be "why aren't white people trying HARDER to be better people towards anyone that is not white?"

 

[psynergylover]

I feel the sign and tweet to be a tad disingenuous; I feel that a large majority of the white women who attended the march most likely voted for Clinton, But the elephant in the room is that women; who are becoming the biggest voting block in our elections is that 53% of white women voters did vote for Trump. I don't think the sign and the tweet were meant for all white women but to those who voted for Trump(and I think very few did) and attended any of thr marchers would be "why are you marching?" when Trump and a large majority of the republican party are against your interests. or at the very least open a dialogue to why.

this thread though.....seems like us dem/libs got a lot of work to do

 

[highrider]

I understand the point, and I'm not a delicate flower that takes everything personally. But something has to change.

White people, and I am generalizing, need to do better at acknowledging their inherent advantages in American society. You can't get offended or hurt when you're confronted with it.

I actually can believe that there are ' closeted ' Trump supporters. I live in Washington DC and you are hurting yourself socially and professionally to be on the right in a highly liberal town. Particularly now with the high level of polarization.

White and black people need to stop with the incessant virtue signaling. A lot of these threads end up looking like a competition for the most woke award. You're not going to change anyone with that, but you are guaranteed to alienate them and maybe make someone who was previously indifferent swing the opposite way. If you shout down, mock, and insult people who disagree with you they are just going to tune you out, or react negatively.

White people I think have real trouble comprehending the fear that Black people, particularly men feel everyday in this country. I was married to a black woman and my son is mixed race. We took a vacation to Myrtle Beach one summer. Some of the looks, and treatment we received there was disturbing. I realized how lucky I was to grow up in an area where there isn't that kind of racial divide, and overt racism. I'm also certain that as a white man what I experienced there was a drop in a big bucket every black person carries.

I believe that multiculturalism is the ideal to aspire to. Some are quick to embrace it, some have prejudice that makes it far more challenging . As humans, we have to generalize and make judgments on things we see in life to function, but you can't stop learning and changing.

White privilege and fragility are entirely real. Tim Wise is a good guy to check out to understand the meaning behind it. Almost all the women in my family participated in the protest, three generations of them. I think they are good, honest people. If it's bad that they demonstrated against Trump, I'm not sure where to go from there.

 

[theignoramus]

Those tweets are abrasive.
It doesnt feel good being held collectively responsible for the actions of a plurality, imagine that.....

 

[Merc_]

The far left is becoming so obsessed with who is "right and wrong" over all this that it's doing nothing but divide them further and further.

People should be way more focused on what we can do to make sure this doesn't happen again in 4 years than trying to prove how virtuous one group is over the other.

Get with it.

I think part of the divide comes from how the word 'unity' seems to have morphed into a shorthand for telling minorities to shut up and get in line with white folks opinions. Surprisingly this doesn't work and only serves to further piss people off.

 

[The Silver]

If it makes you feel any better, the Republicans do it to themselves too. #NeverTrump #TeaParty

The difference is that they're really effective at actually winnning(Tea Party) and/or they all just fall in line anyway(NeverTrump)

 

[Kreed]

Why was it only 47%?

That percentage is higher than what Obama got (42% in 2012 and 46% in 2008).

 

[Aaronology]

If we were able to break down that white women vote along income and education, I think it would provide a much clearer picture. White people don't really identify themselves along racial lines. That's the advantage of being white, the don't have to. They identify themselves by social standing. So instead of saying "why did white women vote for trump", we should really be asking "why did poorer people vote for trump", or "why did uneducated people vote for trump", or "why did the super rich vote for trump".

That's what is frustrating about this conversation to me. It's based on a misunderstanding of the data.

The history of the United States strongly suggests otherwise.

 

[CrocMother]

I understand the point, and I'm not a delicate flower that takes everything personally. But something has to change.

White people, and I am generalizing, need to do better at acknowledging their inherent advantages in American society. You can't get offended or hurt when you're confronted with it.

I actually can believe that there are ' closeted ' Trump supporters. I live in Washington DC and you are hurting yourself socially and professionally to be on the right in a highly liberal town. Particularly now with the high level of polarization.

White and black people need to stop with the incessant virtue signaling. A lot of these threads end up looking like a competition for the most woke award. You're not going to change anyone with that, but you are guaranteed to alienate them and maybe make someone who was previously indifferent swing the opposite way. If you shout down, mock, and insult people who disagree with you they are just going to tune you out, or react negatively.

White people I think have real trouble comprehending the fear that Black people, particularly men feel everyday in this country. I was married to a black woman and my son is mixed race. We took a vacation to Myrtle Beach one summer. Some of the looks, and treatment we received there was disturbing. I realized how lucky I was to grow up in an area where there isn't that kind of racial divide, and overt racism. I'm also certain that as a white man what I experienced there was a drop in a big bucket every black person carries.

I believe that multiculturalism is the ideal to aspire to. Some are quick to embrace it, some have prejudice that makes it far more challenging . As humans, we have to generalize and make judgments on things we see in life to function, but you can't stop learning and changing.

White privilege and fragility are entirely real. Tim Wise is a good guy to check out to understand the meaning behind it. Almost all the women in my family participated in the protest, three generations of them. I think they are good, honest people. If it's bad that they demonstrated against Trump, I'm not sure where to go from there.

great post

 

[collige]

I mean yes, exit polls can be a bit unreliable and we'll see how data shake out in the future. Unfortunately they are all we have now. That being said, I still do think its an indictment if Women of Color went 80-90% for Clinton and White Women only went 50% for her. Considering the platform Trump ran on and who he is, he should've been smashed by women of all colors. This is a problem. White Women did help push him over the edge.

Despite the pussy comments, I think it's pretty clear that religious and racial lines were far stronger in terms of determining voting patterns than gender was. You stats are true, but it could also be interpreted that being a woman is a large offset to the whiteness factor that generally leans Republican considering how much of the white male vote went to him.

 

[WaffleTaco]

Look... if you were really out there*, protesting, volunteering for women's groups, organizing community groups for democratic causes, calling out white friends who let casual racism slip by.... I don't see how these tweets and signs would upset you. You'd obviously know you are doing what you need to do.

This is a call out for white liberals who say "Yay equality" and then do nothing to back up their words.

*not saying you AREN'T out there, obviously I don't know you... the whole point of this movement is to make sure people are acting on their beliefs

It bothers me, because I am being generalized and it bothers me because I know it is just going to hurt ourselves more than anything.

 

[Knuckle Sandwich]

Republicans fall in line. They always do.

Trump accused Ted Cruz' dad of killing JFK and he still fell in line for the good of his causes.

We still have butthurt Bernie or Busters though. Don't forget about those PUMAs from '08.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

I'm well aware of how white privilege works. To act like there is a blanket standard of privilege for all white people in general is incredibly naive.

Considering the make up of this country, in terms of region, school systems, economic opportunities, etc. It's simply absurd to act as if there is a standard of privilege that covers the entire nation that is only applicable to white people upon birth.

It's never that simple.

Who is saying anything about a standard of privilege? All Junpei said was that white women have privilege, and that privilege may blind them to the realities of the world.

Allies who fail to be better allies aren't good allies.

And "allies" who take every opportunity to sabotage the cause by alienating would-be supporters aren't very good allies, either.

 

[patapuf]

Look... if you were really out there*, protesting, volunteering for women's groups, organizing community groups for democratic causes, calling out white friends who let casual racism slip by.... I don't see how these tweets and signs would upset you. You'd obviously know you are doing what you need to do.

This is a call out for white liberals who say "Yay equality" and then do nothing to back up their words.

*not saying you AREN'T out there, obviously I don't know you... the whole point of this movement is to make sure people are acting on their beliefs

Clearly separating real allies from fake ones is what's most important right now. Better make sure all the fake ones showing support are called out. That's going to help the movement a lot.


Only when all fake allies, or allies that are not good enough, are gone from the movement will the next election be won.

 

[JeTmAn81]

Not a monolith.

 

[theignoramus]

The women who marched on Washington and elsewhere did the right thing. The white women who marched across the country did so because they didn't support Trump or his policies. I understand the frustration in the tweet posted, but it's misdirected.

Dont think there isnt resentment about how much less "womens solidarity" there was last summer when one unarmed Black person after another was killed by a cop.
And how the peaceful protests after the fact were met by cops in riot gear.

 

[Obliterator]

I think part of the divide comes from how the word 'unity' seems to have morphed into a shorthand for telling minorities to shut up and get in line with white folks opinions. Surprisingly this doesn't work and only serves to further piss people off.

Except that's really not it.

The left has been virtue signaling to an insane degree even prior to the election. It's a non stop "we are so holy and if you don't agree with everything we say you suck". Problem for them is that the left then often goes in and attacks itself because frankly humans aren't going to always agree on everything and then just keeps pushing their own party further and further apart. Look at the shit storm that went down with Bernie.

I mean hey if that's the strategy the left wants to use go for it, but it probably does not bode well at all for the election in 4 years

 

[UCBooties]

you are editorializing. take several steps back because you sound alarmist. I said we should take responsibility for the actions of others. It's an important aspect of any society, any democracy, and any relationship. We are individuals within a greater whole, and with that comes a social pact that our actions have consequences for people other than ourselves. And to better our society, we should encourage constant self reflection and betterment not just for ourselves, but for people in our communities and country. And in order for any of this to be achieved, it starts from the belief that we are in part responsible for others' well being.

These are not the same thing. Being responsible to our community (the well being of others) is the foundation of progressive thought. But this idea that I as an individual must be responsible for the conduct of another individual because I share a demographic trait with them, is just a weaselly way to get at race theory. I am responsible for my actions and I am responsible for the actions of those who I support. How can I be responsible for the actions of someone who I opposed?

And that call for self-reflection? Yeah, that's what I've been calling for in all of these threads. But self-reflection is for everyone, not just the privileged. And calls for self-reflection that are not coupled with empathy, that are in fact, often coupled with derision for the very concept of empathy, just show that you are more interested in demeaning others than you are with actually figuring out a way for us to grow the movement and overcome.

 

[gutter_trash]

all I see is a bunch of Liberals in-fighting,

Trump re-elected in 2020 guaranteed

 

[Chorazin]

Again, this "tearing ourselves apart" is happening in threads like these, where people just need something to talk about, and feels completely divorced from the experience of the actual marches and the collective responses of people who participated.

I completely agree, the March in DC was amazing and felt so positive.

 

[stephen08]

I find it troubling the amount of shame being thrown at white people in general for Trump.

Some are verifiable racists who voted with glee at the idea of a return to white supremacy.
Some didn't think what he said was all that bad because of their privilege and blindness to why what he said was troubling.
Some bought into the misinformation and voted against their own interests.
Some didn't vote at all.
All of that being said, though, some did recognize the hateful nature of what he said, did vote for (or would've voted for) Hillary and are likely the ones that marched against him.

And sure, the groups who didn't do that deserve every bit of criticism they get for it. But I think it is really unfair to target people who are marching and who are against Trump. There is a lot of joking about unity and all that and I agree, when it comes to Trump, his bigots, his literal Nazis there is no unity whatsoever to be had. We do need unity with one another against this regime, though. Seeing someone's skin colour and judging them as an enemy to the cause isn't helpful.

 

[Nepenthe]

MLK called out apathetic and opposing whites while also hosting marches that accepted white allies.

 

[International Iron Man]

There were a number of aggressive placards at the march and I think it's understandable why some women would be upset with how voting demographics broke down, but now is a time to reach out and embrace everyone regardless of who they voted for.

,

This placard was the same and again I truly do understand the intent and why someone would feel so angry but this message will only alienate and polarise people who might otherwise support your platform but don't know how to do so properly.

"I would have supported you having equal and full rights and not being murdered by the state, but you made a mean sign so fuck you."

- White liberals, 2017.

 

[Koodo]

It bothers me, because I am being generalized and it bothers me because I know it is just going to hurt ourselves more than anything.

You see it as a partisan issue while for black and non-white people this is purely about their SURVIVAL.

Your personal feelings are, honestly, irrelevant in the face of the continued oppression of people of colour. Institutional systems of oppression will not disappear through minorities coddling to the sentiments of people who are hurt at the realization that their very existence is woven with privilege that comes at the expense of the rights of others. Acknowledge this and move on.

 

[Infinite]

Never call out white people aka white fragility

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Look... if you were really out there*, protesting, volunteering for women's groups, organizing community groups for democratic causes, calling out white friends who let casual racism slip by.... I don't see how these tweets and signs would upset you. You'd obviously know you are doing what you need to do.

This is a call out for white liberals who say "Yay equality" and then do nothing to back up their words.

*not saying you AREN'T out there, obviously I don't know you... the whole point of this movement is to make sure people are acting on their beliefs

Yeah, I know right. Because clearly minority is actively out there volunteering for women's group, organizing community groups for democratic causes, and call out friends and coworkers for casual racism. No seriously, if people in general were as proactive as everyone except apparently white women then we would have huge social movements, huge organizations with lots of power and command attention with their words. But instead we have none of that and apparently it's from all these "fake" women who won't put in the time. 95% of people regardless of race, gender, etc. aren't active like you're describing in their community but I'm glad we found our scapegoat in the white woman. Finally someone to point at and shame.

Yeah, some of this is true but it literally accomplishes nothing. No matter how much they reflect, if they didn't vote for Trump then they don't necessarily have any idea why white women hate themselves any more than the minorities do after he said he was going to deport them and everything else. Can't imagine why none of this rhetoric works... Can't imagine...

 

[cdyhybrid]

If only this pushback against purity tests among the left existed back in early November

 

[Fuchsdh]

Clearly separating real allies from fake ones is what's most important right now. Better make sure all the fake ones showing support are called out. That's going to help the movement a lot.


Only when all fake allies, or allies that are not good enough, are gone from the movement will the next election be won.

This is crazy logic. "We weren't pure enough! That's why we lost!" is a terrible reading of the situation.

Perhaps those "fake" allies aren't actually fake, but simply not as ideologically extreme as you on every single issue?

 

[Aaronology]

I understand the point, and I'm not a delicate flower that takes everything personally. But something has to change.

White people, and I am generalizing, need to do better at acknowledging their inherent advantages in American society. You can't get offended or hurt when you're confronted with it.

I actually can believe that there are ' closeted ' Trump supporters. I live in Washington DC and you are hurting yourself socially and professionally to be on the right in a highly liberal town. Particularly now with the high level of polarization.

White and black people need to stop with the incessant virtue signaling. A lot of these threads end up looking like a competition for the most woke award. You're not going to change anyone with that, but you are guaranteed to alienate them and maybe make someone who was previously indifferent swing the opposite way. If you shout down, mock, and insult people who disagree with you they are just going to tune you out, or react negatively.

White people I think have real trouble comprehending the fear that Black people, particularly men feel everyday in this country. I was married to a black woman and my son is mixed race. We took a vacation to Myrtle Beach one summer. Some of the looks, and treatment we received there was disturbing. I realized how lucky I was to grow up in an area where there isn't that kind of racial divide, and overt racism. I'm also certain that as a white man what I experienced there was a drop in a big bucket every black person carries.

I believe that multiculturalism is the ideal to aspire to. Some are quick to embrace it, some have prejudice that makes it far more challenging . As humans, we have to generalize and make judgments on things we see in life to function, but you can't stop learning and changing.

White privilege and fragility are entirely real. Tim Wise is a good guy to check out to understand the meaning behind it. Almost all the women in my family participated in the protest, three generations of them. I think they are good, honest people. If it's bad that they demonstrated against Trump, I'm not sure where to go from there.

I hate cheerleading, but I appreciated this post.

 

[jakonovski]

"I would have supported you having equal and full rights and not being murdered by the state, but you made a mean sign so fuck you."

- White liberals, 2017.

That's a completely plausible scenario.

 

[Leunam]

We white people sure don't like to be called out, do we?

But keep posting about how this is all about you personally and how you're being feeling attacked by those signs and tweets.

Clearly. The first page is a shit show of everyone rushing to be upset and boast their credentials minus any shred of introspection.

 

[FlowersisBritish]

I understand the point, and I'm not a delicate flower that takes everything personally. But something has to change.

White people, and I am generalizing, need to do better at acknowledging their inherent advantages in American society. You can't get offended or hurt when you're confronted with it.

I actually can believe that there are ' closeted ' Trump supporters. I live in Washington DC and you are hurting yourself socially and professionally to be on the right in a highly liberal town. Particularly now with the high level of polarization.

White and black people need to stop with the incessant virtue signaling. A lot of these threads end up looking like a competition for the most woke award. You're not going to change anyone with that, but you are guaranteed to alienate them and maybe make someone who was previously indifferent swing the opposite way. If you shout down, mock, and insult people who disagree with you they are just going to tune you out, or react negatively.

White people I think have real trouble comprehending the fear that Black people, particularly men feel everyday in this country. I was married to a black woman and my son is mixed race. We took a vacation to Myrtle Beach one summer. Some of the looks, and treatment we received there was disturbing. I realized how lucky I was to grow up in an area where there isn't that kind of racial divide, and overt racism. I'm also certain that as a white man what I experienced there was a drop in a big bucket every black person carries.

I believe that multiculturalism is the ideal to aspire to. Some are quick to embrace it, some have prejudice that makes it far more challenging . As humans, we have to generalize and make judgments on things we see in life to function, but you can't stop learning and changing.

White privilege and fragility are entirely real. Tim Wise is a good guy to check out to understand the meaning behind it. Almost all the women in my family participated in the protest, three generations of them. I think they are good, honest people. If it's bad that they demonstrated against Trump, I'm not sure where to go from there.

Kind of how I feel. I'm getting really sick of these "Ways white people are terrible" threads and I'm honestly way more tired of the various white people getting into such a god damn fucking huff over them, invariably proving the point and necessity of those threads. That white fragility thread was so god damn on point, reading through it was piercing my soul.

 

[Cipherr]

Lmao he hasn't even posted since he made this garbage thread

He bounced

Why bother, Look at this fucking hot mess of a thread. This shit is so infuriatingly effective man. It makes my fucking stomach turn.

 

[gaiages]

Honestly, this shit is like the worst thing everyone could really do right now. Shit sucks, but is it really necessary to attack your fellow allies, instead of... you know, the Neo Nazis? Instead of blaming a very broad demographic or whatever, maybe... JUST MAYBE, there's something more important to do than wrongly attack your fellow marchers for what the women that don't have their own interests at heart did? Those women aren't going to be at the march.

This isn't the only example of this stupid shit either. I've seen people saying the Women's March sucked because it 'hurt the environment' from all the signs they created (they didn't personally cut down those trees), and attacks that it wasn't all-inclusive enough (? everyone was welcome), and at this point it's trying to divide what should be a unified front.

Should people reflect on all this? Yes, of course, the protest would be a failure if it didn't make people think. But people running around screaming IT'S ALL ____'S FAULT isn't going to help with shit, it's just going to make people angry and turn on each other.

 

[TurnipFritters]

I completely agree, the March in DC was amazing and felt so positive.

The ol' circular firing squad tends to be magnified on the internet where a lot of people are more concerned about being holier than thou than they are in finding a way forward. It's particularly a problem on places like tumblr and twitter.

 

[Dude Abides]

That Walker guy's twitter is full of dumb Bible quotes. The Christian vote for Trump was greater than 53%. He needs to look in the mirror and ask why people like him supported Trump.