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Preacher |OT| The Beginning Is Nigh - Sundays 10/9c on AMC

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User 479360

Banned
Seems AMC is running a marathon next week, so I can PVR the third episode that my PVR decided to skip for some reason.

I'm glad I'll be able to watch the entire season without missing anything.

As for the number of episodes: Wikipedia lists 10. It says it got an order of 10 episodes. Tonight's episode is listed as number 10, but there's apparently one next week that's the finale/episode 11?
 
j0hnnix

j0hnnix

Member
I thought there was an issue with the episode but it seems like he is reliving what he did..


There it is. 😂
 
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Sho_Nuff82

Member
Show honestly feels like it would be better off in a half hour format. Kind of confused why the angels would go all the way to hell to find someone to kill Jesse when they seemed perfectly capable of hiring real world killers? And why would Emily kill her bf just a week after deciding to be with him? I feel like Tulip's sidestory barely belongs in this show.

Some pretty good scenes this week though. The hell loop was well done and finally put all of the cowboy scenes into context. The bathtub scene was suitably disturbing and tied up a major loose end. And Emily's fakeout though strange in motivation was crazy suspenseful.
 
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ffejeromdiks

Banned
I've been enjoying the show for the most part, but holy hell Emily randomly deciding to murder the mayor for a guy she doesn't even like has to be the most ridiculous out of character act I've ever seen on television.
 
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firehawk12

Subete no aware
I don't remember the comic, but the Stillwater = Hell twist thing really got me. I honestly thought they were doing a flashback.
 
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Bebpo

Banned
Coming from the comics that was probably the worst episode this season. They completely fucked up the Saint's backstory. Like why bother licensing a source material when you're going to make something that's a complete insult to it. It's one thing to change the story, but changing the tones to almost the opposite of what they're supposed to be, just makes no sense.

The comic was very dark humor take on Christianity. The show seems so afraid to go down that way because of American Puritanism, and everything so far has been changed around to be way less insulting of Christianity, which is weird since they made a big deal in the early pre-show interviews about not holding back on any of that.

Also having Cassidy kill the mayor is pretty out of character for him tbh.
 
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Obscura

Member
I take it the cowboy isn't the SoK anymore?

Also, no "Good start" :(

Major DeBlanc & Fiore spoilers:
So they are definitely Genisis' parents, right?

"You have no idea what it's like down there, believe me"
"It's alright, my dear"
 
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ThusZarathustra

Member
Bebpo said:
Coming from the comics that was probably the worst episode this season. They completely fucked up the Saint's backstory. Like why bother licensing a source material when you're going to make something that's a complete insult to it. It's one thing to change the story, but changing the tones to almost the opposite of what they're supposed to be, just makes no sense.

The comic was very dark humor take on Christianity. The show seems so afraid to go down that way because of American Puritanism, and everything so far has been changed around to be way less insulting of Christianity, which is weird since they made a big deal in the early pre-show interviews about not holding back on any of that.

Also having Cassidy kill the mayor is pretty out of character for him tbh.
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The whole show has really changed the feel, flow and themes of the comic massively.

It's sort of a okay thing in it's own right. Sort of. But yeah, like you say, it really does feel like they were just not willing to be as brash and satirical as the comic.

It's pretty off topic, but man, what I wouldn't give for a good adaptation of Transmet done with our current political climate instead of the Beast and the Smiler. It'd never be done right, but fuck, in my imagination, it's beautiful.
 
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Sho_Nuff82

Member
Zoe said:
Emily clearly just tolerated the mayor at best, so I saw that coming a mile away.
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Barely tolerating your babysitter and lousy wannabe bf to "Imma feed his ass to an immortal monster because I love bunnies" is going 0 to 100. There was nothing in their previous interactions that said she was particularly bothered by him either way. Him turning on Jesse and his insistence on finally making their relationship public is only something that happened in the last episode and a half, and it's not like she has been overt in her feelings for Jesse (going so far as to deny them in this same episode to Tulip's face).

If their going for a "everyone in this town has their hands dirty" thing I can sorta understand, but it still came out of nowhere. Even Jesse was upset to see him dead.
 
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Teknopathetic

Member
" Like why bother licensing a source material when you're going to make something that's a complete insult to it."

I don't know if I'd go so far as say "insult" but yeah, I don't see the point in them "adapting" the source material.

One of the other problems with the show is that the pacing is pretty abysmal. It feels like these past 2-3 episodes could've been edited down to one.

And yeah, character motivations and decisions are just all over the place and inconsistent.


"It's pretty off topic, but man, what I wouldn't give for a good adaptation of Transmet done with our current political climate instead of the Beast and the Smiler. It'd never be done right, but fuck, in my imagination, it's beautiful."

I would love a Transmet adaptation but pretty much only on something like Netflix or HBO. Bobby Jindal pretty much immediately made me think of the Smiler, if only visually.
 
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ffejeromdiks

Banned
Sho_Nuff82 said:
Barely tolerating your babysitter and lousy wannabe bf to "Imma feed his ass to an immortal monster because I love bunnies" is going 0 to 100. There was nothing in their previous interactions that said she was particularly bothered by him either way. Him turning on Jesse and his insistence on finally making their relationship public is only something that happened in the last episode and a half, and it's not like she has been overt in her feelings for Jesse (going so far as to deny them in this same episode to Tulip's face).

If their going for a "everyone in this town has their hands dirty" thing I can sorta understand, but it still came out of nowhere. Even Jesse was upset to see him dead.
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Not to mention, up until that point she seemed to be the only "good christian" in the entire town. She also totally left that guinea pig to die, yes Emily a guinea pig can totally survive in a Texan urban environment, she might as well have fed them to Cassidy as a snack, extremely sloppy writing this episode.
 
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Geist-

Member
Hmm. Is there anyone left in the main cast who isn't either a murderer or complicit in a murder? I guess for Eugene it was just an attempted murder/suicide...
 
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Unicorn

Member
Man, tonight's episode sucked. the fucking 15 minutes of Sisyphus recycling of footage just felt like "fuck, we need to fill this episode up to the 1 hour mark" or whatever. Like, that could have been 2 mins. and we would have got it.
 
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RoyaleDuke

Banned
Uhhh, I really don't like what they did with the backstory of the Cowboy.

I mean in theory it is a slightly interesting take but it still feels like character assassination like with Eugene but to a much lesser degree.

Comic Book Spoilers:

He went to hell after he died, it froze over from his anger, and God made him a saint of killers to get him out and control him. He was actually woken up from a coffin in the comic book. Then Deblanc and Fiore tell him to go after Jesse, so he walks all the way to the town, and as the trio are leaving and being pursued by the Grail Industries dudes and the local law enforcement, SoK shows up and kills almost everyone while Cassidy, Tulip, and Jesse escape in the madness.
 
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Unicorn

Member
ffejeromdiks said:
So the good christian girl suddenly deciding to murder her lover with no motive other than to save a guinea pig isn't sloppy writing? Well...okay then.
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eh, she's only a church girl to try and get Jesse. Mayor was placeholder and he had the monologue that basically demonized him prior to that, so she was done. I saw the bait a mile away. I guess she is trying to side with Cassidy since she knows he's buddy buddy with Jesse. I don't know. This show is slower than snail shit at this point that so many stories I don't even care about anymore.
 
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RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
ffejeromdiks said:
So what, you think letting a domestic guinea pig out into wild isn't an instant death sentence? I'm at a loss here.
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It is. But that isn't sloppy writing. People do stuff like that all the time in real life because they think they're "freeing the animal", not realizing that most domestic animals aren't equipped to survive in the wild and will die within a couple of days.

OCDChewie said:
So are there 11 episodes this season? Or what is next week's?
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There are only 10 episodes this season. Tonight's episode was #9.
 
obin_gam

obin_gam

Member
A lot of hate towards this episode it seems.
As a non comic reader, I liked it. I didn't feel the Emily thing was ooc at all, it was telegraphed way beforehand
when she said he was her boyfriend.
 
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User 479360

Banned
RatskyWatsky said:
There are only 10 episodes this season. Tonight's episode was #9.
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I don't know why I see eleven then.

I watched the first two, then what I have PVRed jumps to number 4. Tonight's was 10. Next week's is 11.

It'd be safe to assume it just erred and listed episode 3 as 4, but I seem to be missing one. The Possibilities. The next one I have on my PVR is Monster Swamp.
 
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Karsha

Member
Wtf was the mayor part? Dude was a neutral to positive character, she just used him as a fuckboy when she needed him and than murdered him like that? How is she still a character that we aren't supposed to hate? lol

Also I haven't read the comic but what made the 2 angels choose the cowboy? In all himanity's history the worse killer they could find was some cowboy?
 
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Houndi101

Member
Karsha said:
Wtf was the mayor part? Dude was a neutral to positive character, she just used him as a fuckboy when she needed him and than murdered him like that? How is she still a character that we aren't supposed to hate? lol

Also I haven't read the comic but what made the 2 angels choose the cowboy? In all himanity's history the worse killer they could find was some cowboy?
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In the comics the cowboy is
The Saint of Killers, Wiki quote: The Saint of Killers first appeared as a heartless murderer, who is transformed into the Angel of Death under the condition that he takes up the role of collecting the souls of those who die by violence. Following his reanimation, Heaven arranged for him to be put into a deep slumber, until he was needed to kill people." More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_of_Killers#The_Making_of_the_Saint
 
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User 479360

Banned
I found out what happened, upon closer inspection. My satellite (or AMC) has it numbered wrong. It goes 1-5, 7-11. I was able to prove that by cross referencing my PVR with the marathon next weekend. It still doesn't explain why my PVR skipped episode 3, but I'm going to have it replaced.
 
Moff

Moff

Member
I liked this episode because the plot got moving, but there was a lot of stuff in it I didn't understand

first of all, that really was the breaking bad place and I'm not crazy?

second, yes, those guinea pigs would probably have survived longer with cassidy

third, why did she kill the mayor, wtf? I understand a guy hitting on you can be annoying but ffs, you don't feed him to a vampire, unless she becomes her true blood character now

fourth, so was that hell hell or just the saint's hell? everyone has his own personal hell? I liked the montage at the end, but boy, if that really is his origin story he is more like the saint of morons, turning around instead of saving your kid there. and then blame (and kill) everyone else for your own stupidity, way to go
 
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