Again, not what I said.
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Preacher w/ you deserve to be raped sign hit over head by bat wielding woman
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Again, not what I said.
excelsiorlef
Member
An "opinion".
This shit does have an impact. We don't even need violence to tell us that.
I mean maybe it's all silly to you but it isn't to many women
finowns
Member
You f'd up now. Here comes the gotcha posts.
lvl99 Pixel
Member
you're just stirring shit with people you know nothing about
Nope. But even if you want to pull that out of what I said, I'll rephrase, blindsiding someone with a bat is not the worst thing one person can do to another, but its up there.
No I'm not. You're just reacting too emotionally.
Poster asked why people question the use of violence (big paraphrase), I said because they hadn't been pushed far enough.
To do this, you have to relinquish your rights as a citizen. If you haven't done that yet, you haven't been pushed far enough. I think everyone has that point.
Not calling you weak, not saying you haven't been pushed hard, not calling you anything.
Rumblebones
Banned
What counterarguments? I've tried to keep up with the flow of responses to Euphor!a and all I've seen is personal attacks, pointless projection and attempts at justifying assault with a deadly weapons on the basis of emotions.
There is nothing wrong with Euphor!a's position. Nothing wrong at all. I don't agree with people attacking him/her for refusing to cosign violence in response to some hateful asshole as valid.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Ironicavatarman, you should have read the full quote. "lowest of the low" does mean "the worst." Even if he was just trying to convey "this is a horrible thing," that in and of itself is hyperbole. It's not good, but to me, horrible is an innocent being assaulted.
I mean, no, it actually does mean that. The lowest of the low literally can't have anything worse than it. That's the point of the phrase - that even among lowly behavior, it's low.
And again, an awful person being hit with a bat is not nearly the worst thing that a person could to another person.
lvl99 Pixel
Member
you made an appeal to emotion that made no fucking sense, and got called out for it.
finowns
Member
You totally got him man.
No, I didn't. It's an obvious statement and you're getting too clouded with your own emotions.
I get this is volatile, but take a breath for a moment.
lvl99 Pixel
Member
so instead of admitting that you made a useless assumption, you're going with "you mad"?
A Link to the Past
Banned
This thread is one of the angriest threads I've seen in a really, really long time lol. It's perfectly divisive, with enough people on both sides of a heated issue that enough people are getting mad at each other.
You act like engaging in hyperbolic statements and ignoring context is a part of rational debate. Yeah, I was pointing out that he was being silly and responding to his posts as he wrote them.
You act like engaging in hyperbolic statements and ignoring context is a part of rational debate. Yeah, I was pointing out that he was being silly and responding to his posts as he wrote them.
No.
Euphoria's argument is that words do not have an effect.
People have repeatedly demonstrated that is not the case.
He's just endlessly on loop "It's just words, it's just words, it's just words".
If he wants to have an actual discussion in regards to his bad argument, fine, but he's not discussing shit right now, he's just rephrasing his default position over and over.
But again, back to my original point, that's concerning the action. That's what the disagreement here has been about, not over whether or not the woman is terrible. The distinction is actually relevant because the action can be judged independently of one's feelings about how bad rape is or how big of an asshole this preacher is. It's not logically inconsistent at all to simultaneously believe that rape is absolutely terrible, this preacher is a piece of shit and what she did was wrong. Arguments that rely on asserting a person disagrees with the first two because they agree with the last one are bad.
Shadow Puppetry
Member
Gah damn, it wasn't attempted murder since the female didn't hit him repeatedly but it's fine he assaulted a female and left her boot marks on the chest? Geezus, screw what he did to a female but let's all be concerned about the bat incident which took place months before he got arrested for assaulting. He was advocating sexual assault for eff sakes, in front of high school students.
finowns
Member
Just take the W.
Downplaying "women deserve to be raped" as just a shitty opinion is proof of how deeply entrenched and normalized oppression and injustice against women is in society. If you don't see how disturbing and dangerous "you deserve to be raped" is, you either live a life of extreme privilege or are unconcerned about expressions of sexual violence against women in the context of 1 in 6 women being victims of sexual assault. It's like dismissing "grab 'em by the pussy" as "locker room talk."
A Link to the Past
Banned
shutup Batman :/
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Fre specch takes priority over anything and everything. No matter what context.
Apparently his future actions don't exactly prove the point that he was a danger to those students.
Yep. Just to reiterate, some posts ITT are crystal clear proof that rape culture is a very real thing.
My argument is that assaulting someone with a fucking bat is not okay, plain and simple.
Rumblebones
Banned
That is not the impression I got from his posts, not at all.
But even IF that was the intent of his post, whether the words have impact and whether they justify a violent response are two separate issues.
My only issue with the response to Euphor!a is people attacking him for not agreeing with violence. But whatever.
Seems like too much discussion going on for such a stupid situation. This isn't some more interesting case where someone wants to speak on a college campus and there are possible threats of violence that may prevent them from doing so. Thought process on this scenario ended once I read "you deserved to be raped sign." If anyone is moronic enough to hold such garbage, someone will eventually react to it. No need for blanket condemnation of people batting others.
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
You don't think a single blindside shot to the head with an aluminum bat could kill someone?
Except it totally is in certain circumstances.
One of those circumstances is or else should be inciting sexual violence on fucking kids.
No it fucking isn't and if you think it is something is wrong with you.
To be fair there's probably few things you can do on the spectrum between "do nothing" and "baseball bat to head" to get the idiot with the sign to stop.
finowns
Member
If there, would you smack this guy in the head with a bat?
Trigonometrize.
Member
Yep.
That's insane.
Rudimental
Member
You wouldn't assault someone with a bat if they were trying to kill you?
Are you saying that this is literally the hill you would die on?
It's not as if his speech can't be legislated against, or her actions can't be legislated for but at the moment they're not so you're left with vigilantism.
lol
Are you saying that you can't tell the difference between assault and self-defense? If that is the case I don't think you even know what a hill looks like.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
And the way you presented your argument was at best, incredibly egregious,
whether it was
Outright stating that her actions were worse than a man advocating for the rape of teenagers
or
The near constant downplaying of the effect words can have on people especially teenagers with a healthy dosage of downplay the severity of even the threat of rape via chocking it up as just a "shitty opinion":
And you're somehow not understanding the backlash.
Your argument is that hitting someone with a bat is worse, or as bad, as someone repeatedly condemning gays and women to rape.
I'm not going to bother with which is worse. But you seem to be ignoring the implications and consequences of hate speech.
Physical violence has an acute effect. Such as a bat to the head. Blood and pain, possibly followed by a concussion and some trauma. Emotional violence and the promotion of sexual/physical violence affects multiple people over an indefinite amount of time and in more traumatic ways.
While arguing that physical violence in retaliation is not justifiable, I would hope you could also concede the consequences of hate speech...?
Trigonometrize.
Member
The density level of some of you guys has gone full neutron star.
lvl99 Pixel
Member
this is some fucked up eye for an eye mentality
clearly it solved nothing if the guy went on to actually abuse someone
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Drag em'
Is there? Historically speaking, in terms of cutting down on poisonous bullshit, it seems to me that stuff like Richard Spencer getting punched shut him up faster and more securely than anything else.
Like I said, there should be laws in place and those laws should be inforced to stop things like this. If that were the case, I would agree that the correct response is to call the cops and let them handle it.
But that's not the case. We live in a world where this shit has been ignored and allowed to fester and has resulted in very real consequences for innocent lives that have been dehumanized and disregarded. If the only refuge people have to not be systematically dehumanized by poisonous cultural belief systems is violence against people like this, I find it difficult to see why it shouldn't be used. Other avenues have failed. You can't debate hatred away. You can't appeal to legal authorities to do anything about it. So whats left?
Exactly what I'm saying. Until there are laws made preventing this, there doesn't seem to be any other avenue of response.
...what?
lvl99 Pixel
Member
isnt that what happened?
King Tubby
Member
She got probation on an aggravated assault charge. I'm going to guess that the preacher being a piece of shit factored into that decision.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
The dude literally tries to advocate for rape on a regular basis for things such as wearing short shorts. He likely would've done that regardless. He's clearly a threat to women everywhere. AND, the other women he assaulted, he did so unprovoked as she walked up to him. So we literally have a situation where the talking thing doesn't work but physical violence from his targets made him immediately hightail it out of there with his tail between his legs.
If you're going to quote me, please do me the kindness of explaining the relevance to my post.
Nemesis121
Member
Violence doesn't solve problems, violence just brings more violence...
You are right, I will never understand how deranged someone has to be to advocate assaulting someone with a deadly weapon.
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