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[WhiteRabbitEXE]

This makes no sense?

Advocating for committing a serious crime isn't itself a crime?

Why.

We literally have pastors who advocate killing gays only to be praised and hugged by fucking US senators.

 

[Hierophant]

No, not really. They've offered hypotheticals and what ifs. Show me the people that were raped because of what this guy did.

so someones gotta get raped before its actually a threat to you? good to know your stance on this then

 

[Palette Swap]

As long as this guy can actively and openly support this shit without any kind of legal repercussion, I think it's fair game if he gets hit. No crocodile tears here for this human garbage.

We literally have pastors who advocate killing gays and then been praised and hugged by fucking US Senators.

No difference for me between these guys and the hate preachers who radicalize muslims.

 

[Crossing Eden]

No, not really. They've offered hypotheticals and what ifs. Show me the people that were raped because of what this guy did.

Are you also gonna ignore the example where he's very clearly a threat in this situation because he unprovoked assaulted a woman at another school?

 

[TestOfTide]

Because saying something shitty is not worse than assaulting someone with a deadly weapon.

Dude. The fact that you trying to downplay it as just "saying something shitty" tells me you need to stop posting.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I wonder if people who write "violence is never the answer" believe it, or it's like some sort of American indifferent/pacifist trained response.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

So assault and potential murder is validated if there's a possibility in your mind that a person is dangerous? Do you see how this is a very dangerous precedent?

The "slippery slope" argument generally tends to be bullshit.

Keep in mind, I never said it was validated. I don't think she necessarily did the right thing, but then I also believe that sometimes there is no "right" reaction, and I believe in this case the action taken is extremely understandable, and that choosing this hill to die on, a defense of an advocate of minors being raped, is let's say, an odd hill to choose.

 

[A Link to the Past]

No, not really. They've offered hypotheticals and what ifs. Show me the people that were raped because of what this guy did.

Like I said, Donald Trump's anti-Muslim speeches contributed in a spike in anti-Muslim hate crimes. The man in this situation is a person advocating for rape and against LGBT people, a person with authority and people who will listen to him. This kind of speech by an authority figure encourages people to act on that speech.

 

[Euphor!a]

Dude. The fact that you trying to downplay it as just "saying something shitty" tells me you need to stop posting.

Dude, the fact that you are trying to downplay attacking someone with a deadly weapon tells me that you are out of your mind.

 

[Thorgal]

I'm disappointed... disappointed she didn't chase the cunt down and finish the job.

What kind of piece of shit are you that you stand outside of a school threatening rape against its students?

Cunt should have had his head caved in.

" Hey guys , first degree Murder is allowed if you feel the guy deserves it !"

 

[ironmang]

play stupid games, win stupid prizes

but ya she still needs to be punished though. can't go around hitting people in the head with bats no matter how shitty of a person they are.

 

[Paganmoon]

Any news on sentencing for the girl?

 

[Loudninja]

Words have alot of power. I cant believe this is even being argue against.

 

[Euphor!a]

Are you also gonna ignore the example where he's very clearly a threat in this situation because he unprovoked assaulted a woman at another school?

I am going to ignore something that is not relevant to this specific case, yes.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Dude, the fact that you are trying to downplay attacking someone with a deadly weapon tells me that you are out of your mind.

People aren't downplaying the attack, people are pointing out that the man warrants no sympathy and his words posed a real risk to encourage violence against marginalized people.

 

[azyless]

Not gonna feel sorry for him.

 

[Crossing Eden]

I am going to ignore something that is not relevant to this specific case, yes.

It is completely relevant, he was doing the exact same thing there that he was doing here. It's insanely relevant. It's a very VERY VERYYYYY clear indication that the dude is a threat himself let alone his words which could inspire people to do the same.

 

[Yayate]

I am going to ignore something that is not relevant to this specific case, yes.

But it is relevant.

Because it shows that he is willing to back up his threats with violence.

 

[lvl99 Pixel]

People aren't downplaying the attack, people are pointing out that the man warrants no sympathy and his words posed a real risk to encourage violence against marginalized people.

Nobody was feeling pity for him as far as i can tell. Thats not the problem.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I am going to ignore something that is not relevant to this specific case, yes.

Erm

At this point, we know that this is a man who will turn to violence. So yes, when he advocates violence, it IS a threat, undeniably.

 

[TestOfTide]

Dude, the fact that you are trying to downplay attacking someone with a deadly weapon tells me that you are out of your mind.

I'm not downplaying it. I'm just explaining that what the Preacher was doing was THAT FUCKING BAD that he deserved to get hit with with fucking bat.

You would understand if you actually knew someone who was a victim of sexual assault and/or if you actually read some non-fiction on the subject.

 

[KHarvey16]

Erm

At this point, we know that this is a man who will turn to violence. So yes, when he advocates violence, it IS a threat, undeniably.

Is this being argued in a legal sense?

 

[Skyzard]

For the same reason it is entirely legal to say that this preacher deserved to get hit in the head with an aluminum bat. If you were to say "someone should track this guy down and hit him in the head with an aluminum bat" you'd be wading into murkier waters.

Even with the police standing right there seems a stretch too far. They should be clearing people like that away, at the very least from schools. That seems extremely generous to distinguish between deserve and should when they're targeting minors.

Though I don't agree with allowing that outside of schools either, it's easily interpreted as incitement for violence and to commit a serious a crime when you're holding a sign that says x deserves rape/murder.

We literally have pastors who advocate killing gays only to be praised and hugged by fucking US senators.

What can you say...the senator should lose their position.

Who was that btw?

 

[Euphor!a]

It is completely relevant, he was doing the exact same thing there that he was doing here. It's insanely relevant. It's a very VERY VERYYYYY clear indication that the dude is a threat.

You can't attack people because of they assaulted someone however long ago, I can't believe you need this explained to you.

People aren't downplaying the attack, people are pointing out that the man warrants no sympathy and his words posed a real risk to encourage violence against marginalized people.

Are you sure about that, no one is downplaying the attack, seriously?

 

[A Link to the Past]

Is this being argued in a legal sense?

It could be I reckon, but I'm more wondering why Euphoria won't accept a history of violence at schools by this man as evidence that his advocation of violence has any threat to it.

 

[watershed]

Because saying something shitty is not worse than assaulting someone with a deadly weapon.

Maybe it's a matter of word choice, but when you reduce advocating rape to "saying something shitty" I can't help but think it reflects on your values. Advocating rape is not just a shitty opinion, it is a deeply disturbing expression of violence in the context of a reality where women have been, are, and will be raped and sexually assaulted every single day. Women live in a society that is actively hostile to them both physically and emotionally. This preacher is only at risk of having violence committed against him because of his own actions. I'm more concerned about the former than the latter.

 

[Euphor!a]

I'm not downplaying it. I'm just explaining that what the Preacher was doing was THAT FUCKING BAD that he deserved to get hit with with fucking bat.

You would understand if you actually knew someone who was a victim of sexual assault and/or if you actually read some non-fiction on the subject.

I do know someone that was a victim of sexual assault, maybe stop saying fucking dumb shit. But I guess it is to be expected when you think someone deserves to be assaulted.

 

[TsunamiOfSwagger]

The man needs to lighten up about the sexual preferences of other people. I personally feel that he has some serious attraction to men, but needs to hate on homosexuality so he does good and his God will not send him to hell.
Guy needs to suck a dick and chill out.

 

[King Tubby]

Would it have been justified if, instead of a bat, she walked up and shot him in the back of the head with a hand gun? Because serious injury or death is a very possible outcome of getting hit in the head with a baseball bat.

Disagreeing with this specific response is not the same thing as defending this guy or what he did.

 

[Rumblebones]

Erm

At this point, we know that this is a man who will turn to violence. So yes, when he advocates violence, it IS a threat, undeniably.

A criminal act cannot be retroactively justified because the victim went on to commit a crime of their own later on. That's not how the law works. That's not how the law should work.

 

[Thorgal]

Would it have been justified if, instead of a bat, she walked up and shot him in the back of the head with a hand gun? Because serious injury or death is a very possible outcome of getting hit in the head with a baseball bat.

Disagreeing with this specific response is not the same thing as defending this guy or what he did.

.

 

[Crossing Eden]

You can't attack people because of they assaulted someone however long ago, I can't believe you need this explained to you.

He's threatening students dude. He's proven that he's absolutely willing to take his threats into action. And in this situation he's threatening teenagers with rape. Like pretty clear cut.

 

[jviggy43]

Maybe it's a matter of word choice, but when you reduce advocating rape to "saying something shitty" I can't help but think it reflects on your values. Advocating rape is not just a shitty opinion, it is a deeply disturbing expression of violence in the context of a reality where women have been, are, and will be raped and sexually assaulted every single day. Women live in a society that is actively hostile to them both physically and emotionally. This preacher is only at risk of having violence committed against him because of his own actions. I'm more concerned about the former than the latter.

This is a great post

 

[finowns]

Turn in your goddamned Batman avatar NOW.


The thing is, in this school how many people are struggling with their gender identity already, how many feel all eyes on them and the pressure such things brings.
They see an assclown like this out there, the first thought it "whatever, cops or teachers or security will get rid of them" you know, do their job and offer some protection.
Instead they keep seeing him out there and it is a quick lesson that nobody is going to.
He gets to do what he wants. You get to suffer. Think if anyone in that school HAD been raped? How would that fucking have felt?
There is a point where people need to look out for each other instead of shrugging and saying "it is someone else's problem"

NO I won't turn in my Batman avatar.

It's a very good thing we don't live in a world where Batman exist.

You can be sympathetic to the feelings of the people being 'preached' to and still be in disagreement that hitting the guy in the head with a BAT is the appropriate response.

I assume you've held a bat in your hands, let me ask you if you were there and you had a bat in your hands would you crack this guy in the head? Could you do that to another human being?

 

[Got]

meh

 

[TestOfTide]

Are you sure about that, no one is downplaying the attack, seriously?

The only one who is downplaying anything is you considering you keep downplaying sexual assault threats like a shmuck.

I do know someone that was a victim of sexual assault, maybe stop saying fucking dumb shit.

hard to believe you because with the way you are talking you sure don't act like it.

But I guess it is to be expected when you think someone deserves to be assaulted.

Yes god forbid I advocate that these high school girls take a goddamn baseball bat to employ some self defense against this fucking creep.

 

[Euphor!a]

Maybe it's a matter of word choice, but when you reduce advocating rape to "saying something shitty" I can't help but think it reflects on your values. Advocating rape is not just a shitty opinion, it is a deeply disturbing expression of violence in the context of a reality where women have been, are, and will be raped and sexually assaulted every single day. Women live in a society that is actively hostile to them both physically and emotionally. This preacher is only at risk of having violence committed against him because of his own actions. I'm more concerned about the former than the latter.

You know what else is a deeply disturbing expression of violence? Attacking someone with a deadly weapon.

 

[Pau]

I'm far more concerned with the fact that this dude was allowed to continue doing this until it in ended in him committing assault than I am with the unlikely chance that it will become legal for people to respond to public demonstrations with assault. Just going by the actual consequences.

 

[A Link to the Past]

A criminal act cannot be retroactively justified because the victim went on to commit a crime of their own later on. That's not how the law works. That's not how the law should work.

I might have the order of events out of order. Did the assault he committed take place after this situation?

 

[pigeon interrupted]

Because saying something shitty is not worse than assaulting someone with a deadly weapon.

Put it this way: if you had been raped and it consumes almost your every waking thought, playing on your mind, darkening every minute of every day and taking a supreme effort on your part to keep it together, and then some man walks up to you out of nowhere and says in your ear "You deserve to be raped." You don't think that causes injury?

Rape victims relive the attack over and over for the rest of their lives. At the dinner table they're reliving being raped. Walking down the street they are reliving getting raped. It's a life sentence and many victims succumb to despair via suicide, overdose etc. It's one of, if not the worst crimes a man can commit, IMHO.

I would like anyone advocating that to be hit with a baseball bat. I have no problem with that.

 

[Goose_Se7en]

I wonder if people who write "violence is never the answer" believe it, or it's like some sort of American indifferent/pacifist trained response.

“Violence never really deals with the basic evil of the situation. Violence may murder the murderer, but it doesn’t murder murder. Violence may murder the liar, but it doesn’t murder lie; it doesn’t establish truth. Violence may even murder the dishonest man, but it doesn’t murder dishonesty. Violence may go to the point of murdering the hater, but it doesn’t murder hate. It may increase hate. It is always a descending spiral leading nowhere. This is the ultimate weakness of violence: It multiplies evil and violence in the universe. It doesn’t solve any problems.” – Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Hmmm...me too.

C'mon bruh.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Maybe it's a matter of word choice, but when you reduce advocating rape to "saying something shitty" I can't help but think it reflects on your values. Advocating rape is not just a shitty opinion, it is a deeply disturbing expression of violence in the context of a reality where women have been, are, and will be raped and sexually assaulted every single day. Women live in a society that is actively hostile to them both physically and emotionally. This preacher is only at risk of having violence committed against him because of his own actions. I'm more concerned about the former than the latter.

Thank you.

I might have the order of events out of order. Did the assault he committed take place after this situation?

Yes.

 

[excelsiorlef]

The man needs to lighten up about the sexual preferences of other people. I personally feel that he has some serious attraction to men, but needs to hate on homosexuality so he does good and his God will not send him to hell.
Guy needs to suck a dick and chill out.

Can we not assume all homophobes are gay...

 

[KHarvey16]

It could be I reckon, but I'm more wondering why Euphoria won't accept a history of violence at schools by this man as evidence that his advocation of violence has any threat to it.

His determination for when it is appropriate to use violence to defend one's self might simply align with the law in this case, which I think is true for a lot of people. There is of course no legal justification for what happened so the question is about moral justifications. And I don't see how anyone could classify the "hitting him in the head was wrong" position as indefensible.

 

[Yayate]

“Violence never really deals with the basic evil of the situation. Violence may murder the murderer, but it doesn’t murder murder. Violence may murder the liar, but it doesn’t murder lie; it doesn’t establish truth. Violence may even murder the dishonest man, but it doesn’t murder dishonesty. Violence may go to the point of murdering the hater, but it doesn’t murder hate. It may increase hate. It is always a descending spiral leading nowhere. This is the ultimate weakness of violence: It multiplies evil and violence in the universe. It doesn’t solve any problems.” – Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Hmmm...me too.

C'mon bruh.

holy shit

I wonder if someone will bring up MLK completely unrelated

 

[Veelk]

If nothing else, I hope that everyone taking umbrage with people who are saying they're okay with the results of what happened are equally eager to open a dialogue with people like this preacher and those like him and put every bit as much effort in to dissuading them from their terrible ideas as you have from the idea that an unrepentant, dangerous asshole should be beat.

 

[Royce McCutcheon]

Put it this way: if you had been raped and it consumes almost your every waking thought, playing on your mind, darkening every minute of every day and taking a supreme effort on your part to keep it together, and then some man walks up to you out of nowhere and says in your ear "You deserve to be raped." You don't think that causes injury?

Rape victims relive the attack over and over for the rest of their lives. At the dinner table their reliving being raped. Walking down the street the are reliving getting raped. It's a life sentence and many victims succumb to despair via suicide, overdose etc. It's one of, if not the worst crime a man can commit, IMHO.

I would like anyone advocating that to be hit with a baseball bat. I have no problem wit that.

Why not just kill em

 

[daviyoung]

So the response to free speech is violence?

 

[Hierophant]

“Violence never really deals with the basic evil of the situation. Violence may murder the murderer, but it doesn’t murder murder. Violence may murder the liar, but it doesn’t murder lie; it doesn’t establish truth. Violence may even murder the dishonest man, but it doesn’t murder dishonesty. Violence may go to the point of murdering the hater, but it doesn’t murder hate. It may increase hate. It is always a descending spiral leading nowhere. This is the ultimate weakness of violence: It multiplies evil and violence in the universe. It doesn’t solve any problems.” – Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Hmmm...me too.

C'mon bruh.

HOLY SHIT MLK ALERT I WAS RIGHT

you know the only reason people actually had to listen to MLK was because otherwise you had Malcom X coming in with "any means necessary?"

 

[sturmdogg]

Wonder what GAF's reaction would be if the guy hit was a Muslim.