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Preacher w/ you deserve to be raped sign hit over head by bat wielding woman
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OG Shaka Zulu
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Her life is far from ruined, she'll just have a harder time competing with fellow Whites. Again, even with a felony she is more likely to be hired for a job over a Black person with a clean record.
If she were Black or Latina, then I'd feel terrible for her situation. I'd personally still hire her if this were her only crime.
UpDownLeftRight
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I'm saying he could have at least gone on his ass. From the look of the clip he basically got scraped by it and walked off sharply. What I am going to say, Is that the weirdest thing in your country is the protection of bigoted pieces of shit like that guy. Your society works in a way that protects his hate speech AND also protects him from the people he projects his hate onto.
It makes it impossible for me to care that he got the response that one would expect when you go do what he was doing.
Steeped in a Sea of Games
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The world would have been better off, honestly.
The only thing I regret here is that this girl had to give so much of herself to such a piece of shit.
Miles Quaritch
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Freedom*
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Your 'position' is a goddamn joke.
nkarafo
Member
I'm sorry but i think you people are dangerous.
This guy's "opinion" isn't much different than most religious nuts out there, christians or muslims. We are talking about millions of people here. If you are suggesting it's ok to literally kill them all then you are a dangerous person.
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
Fwiw these religious nut jobs you're defending are much more dangerous for inspiring entire cults to hate people different colours, creeds and peddling that crap on generation after generation to perpetuate their hate.
The very same types that then produce nut jobs that go out and kill in the name of whichever god they've decided has told them to do it.
Or is that not dangerous too?
17 Seconds
Banned
surely hitting one dude in the head with a bat will stop all these injustices
you're mistaking blood lust for solutions
nkarafo
Member
I stopped right there.
Defending?
I myself am an atheist and i'm sick of those people too. But no, it never crossed my mind i should kill them if i could. I can't believe i have to explain this to adult people.
old manatee
Banned
Something tells me that if he was a middle-eastern man standing outside of a school with a sign that said "you deserve to be bombed" the police would have been involved in minutes instead of never.
HiredN00bs
Banned
Look, this guy was a public menace. He ought to have sat in jail for his behavior. It ought to be against the law to deliver hate speech to children who are doing their legal and civic responsibility to go to school. But just because the people failed to uphold a moral responsibility to keep this from happening can't morally justify physical violence.
ebullientprism
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It's kinda hard to find sympathy for either person in this scenario.
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
Did I say it would? I'm not mistaking blood lust either despite your assumption but when crap like this is allowed in the US like WBC and their ilk there's clearly something wrong. Guy should have been arrested the moment that sign went up but a lot of the time they're free to do this crap
I never said we should kill them? I'm saying I can't care that he got what he deserved.
Wow... Smashing a guy over the head with a bat? And people in this thread are thinking that's okay?
No way... Yeah, he's an abhorrent person for wanting people like me to drop dead. But he didn't act on it, this woman did.
It is not okay to go smashing people's heads in. I've seen countless hate preachers standing and shouting about gay this, gay that and you know what happens, most people view them with absolute disdain and see them for what they are. There were even examples of this in the very video.
I really don't understand the people on this board sometimes... they seem like the other side of the same coin.
No way... Yeah, he's an abhorrent person for wanting people like me to drop dead. But he didn't act on it, this woman did.
It is not okay to go smashing people's heads in. I've seen countless hate preachers standing and shouting about gay this, gay that and you know what happens, most people view them with absolute disdain and see them for what they are. There were even examples of this in the very video.
I really don't understand the people on this board sometimes... they seem like the other side of the same coin.
17 Seconds
Banned
most of the people in here would be singing a different tune if they saw a similar act of violence play out in real life, regardless of who the recipient was. it's easy for people to say "fuck yeah, score one for the good guys" while reading a story on the internet, but violence is pretty a pretty grim thing, even if the person doesn't deserve sympathy.
His sign wasn't a general statement about his faith or anything. It was a direct personal insult/harassment. All the people on their high horses here should consider what it means to have shit like that protected by law, I hope nobody comes and pisses on your loved ones misery or graves because they were some minority.
Messofanego
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Hmm hmm!
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The bahviour of that guy is what is called "disturbance of the public peace" where I'm from, you don't park in front of a building/institution, where people have to go and work/learn/whatever and shout highly aggresive nonsene into a megaphone lol, the hell.
Someone should have taken the dude to a mental facility or something to prevent escalation.
There is a religious nutjob here at the central trainstation who is loudly citing stuff from the bible, he is somewhat of a known attraction. He clearly has a problem but he is not using a megaphone and is not falling into insane rants about "people that deserved to get raped" or shit like that, that would get him arrested or beaten up in no time.
Someone should have taken the dude to a mental facility or something to prevent escalation.
There is a religious nutjob here at the central trainstation who is loudly citing stuff from the bible, he is somewhat of a known attraction. He clearly has a problem but he is not using a megaphone and is not falling into insane rants about "people that deserved to get raped" or shit like that, that would get him arrested or beaten up in no time.
Hopefully her lawyer can prove that he was the provocateur. In my state (Virginia) I can't claim freedom of speech if I roll up on a black guy and am like "you deserve to be raped because you're a n-word!". If he knocks me out, he would probably be found innocent because I fragrantly provoked him. This guy whipped those people (many children) up into a frenzy with direct insults, then refused to leave when they confronted him, but rather antagonize them further.
I think it's a shame it came to violence and no one should take a bat upside someone's heads unless they're threatened, but I have a hard time sympathizing with him.
SolarPowered
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Don't forget sending missionaries to other continents (Think Africa especially) to spread that first world bile elsewhere in already vulnerable and unstable areas. It's a fucking cancer.
You don't even need to go that far. Just replace the word "you" with American or White women and I bet said middle eastern dude would be slammed to the ground so hard his descendants would be born asphalt imprints on their faces for generations to come. Little old Indian men already know the double standard.
Westbahnhof
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I'm not sure if it's funny or sad that people actually think like this. Like, there are a bunch of countries without extreme free speech that offer, on average, a much higher quality of life.
And yet here you are, feeling lucky nobody is taking away your right to preach hatred, den the holocaust, and say other terrible things.
(because that's all that's restricted)
Miles Quaritch
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You say this, but I've seen a guy who was shouting racist shit for a good five minutes get pounded out and it made me immensely happy.
There's nothing more satisfying than watching a wretch who has wasted their life hating people for things they can't change get a life lesson in what happens when you talk shit to the wrong one.
Sometimes it's what they need to trigger an awakening that maybe they aren't on the right path in life.
People never quite figured out the concept of God putting mediums in place to solve problems and for some reason expect a direct magic response. It's like asking someone for help on their homework so you give them a book with example problems similar to the ones that they're doing and they refuse to look at it and instead want you to do the homework for them.
Old Gimlet Eyes
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Holding up a sign like that should lead to some type of consequence, but not a bat to the head. Guy is an extreme pile of shit but bat to the head is all bad.
He works in mysterious ways
What are you talking about?
How have you identified these "hippie dippie peace losers"?
Miles Quaritch
Member
I think you're onto something.
She was sent to deliver him from Satan and the bat was her holy instrument. God was just looking out for this poor guy and trying to set him on a righteous path.
Frankly, I don't honestly feel anything for him getting whacked in the head with a bat, I gotten far worse from bigots like him and ended up in hospitals for weeks. That said, she shouldn't have done it because it's not a good thing to have on your record.
Still, she likely knew the consequences (she did plead guilty), and took it when she decided to do it. I can understand why she did it, but I won't condone it. (I will admit I had some slight satisfaction hearing him get hit though. Terrible I know, but after the shit I dealt and still deal with on a regular bases with these type of people, it's a bit cathartic. )
Scott Lively and the shit he did in Uganda. I can only imagine how much damage and death he caused by preaching his anti-gay rhetoric. Some even tried to file a federal law suit against him for what he did and lost. He is still walking free and happy in the U.S. despite his hands being covered with the blood of innocent lives.
Still, she likely knew the consequences (she did plead guilty), and took it when she decided to do it. I can understand why she did it, but I won't condone it. (I will admit I had some slight satisfaction hearing him get hit though. Terrible I know, but after the shit I dealt and still deal with on a regular bases with these type of people, it's a bit cathartic. )
Scott Lively and the shit he did in Uganda. I can only imagine how much damage and death he caused by preaching his anti-gay rhetoric. Some even tried to file a federal law suit against him for what he did and lost. He is still walking free and happy in the U.S. despite his hands being covered with the blood of innocent lives.
rackham
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The guy was fine. Not saying the girl shouldn't accept some type of punishment for attacking him but he is clearly provoking them and it seems it wasn't the first time either.
Why is it ok to let yourself be attacked and not fight back?
there is some nut holding a shield that says people deserve to be raped and your reaction is to paint a shield that says people deserve to die. well.
Herbspiceguy
Member
Pretty dumb & useless to have this demonstration at a school. It's basically seeking confrontation.
Pretty dumb & useless to hit him with a baseball bat over that though.
Pretty dumb & useless to hit him with a baseball bat over that though.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
You're saying that like some people dont in fact deserve to die. The world would be a lot better place if people like the guy holding the sign dropped dead. The world wouldn't be a better place if rape becomes more common because people think it's alright to promote it.
Punching someone gives the person a fighting chance to punch back, basically they are equally matched (in terms of what they have to fight back with)
If someone has a bat, they have an unfair advantage in both range, strength, and damage.
That's how I think most people see it.
Also, the Neo-Nazi was advocating for a "peaceful ethic cleansing" and was rallying about it. This guy was just a crazy run of a mill hate preacher.
Westbahnhof
Banned
Calm down, Mr Castle.
I mean, you are right in concept, about the dropping dead.
The thing is, people saying "they deserve to die", in the context of an assault with a bat, makes it sound a lot like "they deserve to be killed".
Which is too much, in my opinion.
I'd say advocation of rape on minors transcends all else. It should be something the most liberal and conservative people agree on.
Palette Swap
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To be fair, in real life, I'd see the guy with the sign, call the cops, and this wouldn't escalate further.
The fact the state tacitly legitimizes his speech is the first problem here.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Good
Miles Quaritch
Member
The motherfucker was using a loudspeaker.
I think people need to watch the 25min video to get a better idea of what he's doing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJF_7QVhNl4
Some highlights...
The bible says it's not okay to be gay
The Christian community is worried about you, because you're all going to hell
You need to turn from your homosexuality
You need to stop being a feminist
You need to stop being a Catholic
You need to stop being a Muslim. A dirty Muslim
Jesus Christ hates who you are
Many of you highschoolers may die soon...
Turn or burn people
You need to get out of the gang of homosexuality
You guys have bad role models, that's why I've come here
Your dirty, naughty nasty sin people
The reason why you're depressed/suicidal is because you're not a Christian
One of the big reasons why you're evil is because you're not a Christian
The last five minutes of the above video...depressing as fuck.
Trigonometrize.
Member
If systematic and widespread homophobia is your main concern than this story should mean virtually nothing to you. It's just an anecdote in a sea of them.
Escape Goat
Member
You can sympathize with Batwoman and still think she crossed a line. Not because you have any support for the assface preacher, but because you realize freedom of speech is fundamental to our society. It's a right that can be a powerful weapon for you to use or to be used against you.
But let's also be clear not all speech is ptotected. Harassment or intimidation is not acceptable speech and this guy clearly was using his speech to harass and intimidate. There were options available to Batwoman to get this guy gone and ultimately he was removed by law enforcement. Attacking him ended up punishing her in the end.
As someone who is part of a community that often faces these grotesque abuses of free speech, I completely understand her reaction and can't help but feel a sense of smug enjoyment towards the preacher getting some street justice. But as a member of a society governed by the rule of law I can't condone assault in instances where life or property are not at risk. Once you let the genie out of that particular bottle it won't ever be put back in. You need only look at Trump's rallies where he urged violence against protesters or Gianforte assaulting the reporter in Wyoming.
But let's also be clear not all speech is ptotected. Harassment or intimidation is not acceptable speech and this guy clearly was using his speech to harass and intimidate. There were options available to Batwoman to get this guy gone and ultimately he was removed by law enforcement. Attacking him ended up punishing her in the end.
As someone who is part of a community that often faces these grotesque abuses of free speech, I completely understand her reaction and can't help but feel a sense of smug enjoyment towards the preacher getting some street justice. But as a member of a society governed by the rule of law I can't condone assault in instances where life or property are not at risk. Once you let the genie out of that particular bottle it won't ever be put back in. You need only look at Trump's rallies where he urged violence against protesters or Gianforte assaulting the reporter in Wyoming.
Portugeezer
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Rape culture.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Why? He's actively promoting assault and putting people in danger. It's not that far off from basic self defense.
Is this a troll post or real? Seems way too baity
Emperor_Uriel
Member
Nobody is doubting that he's a piece of shit.
The best advice I can give to students, when confronted with bigotry, is this: "Do not change your schedule in any way to acknowledge these people. Go to class, get your diploma, go on to succeed in life on your own terms. Your potential is the greatest threat to bigots, and your achievements will silence them."
... no, it won't become a better place if we start to kill everyone we don't agree with.
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