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Presidential Debate #1 |Hofstra University| PRESS X TO SEAN

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McNum

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What would happen if Trump refused to show up to a debate? Would Hillary have to debate an empty chair? Or does she just get 90 minutes of free time to lay out her platform?
 
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zelas

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Henkka said:
Is he only referring to private conversations with Hannity, or did he do a segment on Fox where he was against the war? I guess I could understand the argument that mumbling "I guess so" on Howard Stern doesn't mean he supported the war if soon afterwards, he argued against it. Did he, though?
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/26/donald-trump/donald-trump-claims-again-he-was-against-war-iraq/
The challenge with Trump’s claim is that we can’t go back in time and get inside his head, so we’ll never know what his private thoughts were.

However, one thing is clear: The record does not prove him right.

Trump has trouble getting past a September 2002 interview with shock jock Howard Stern. Stern asked Trump if he supported the looming invasion.

Trump responded, "Yeah, I guess so."

At the debate, Trump said he made these comments to Stern "very lightly."

Trump then noted another interview he did in January 2003, a few months before the invasion. Fox News’ Neil Cavuto asked Trump whether President George W. Bush should be more focused on Iraq or the economy.

"Well, he has either got to do something or not do something, perhaps, because perhaps shouldn't be doing it yet and perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations, you know," Trump said. "He's under a lot of pressure. I think he's doing a very good job. But, of course, if you look at the polls, a lot of people are getting a little tired. I think the Iraqi situation is a problem. And I think the economy is a much bigger problem as far as the president is concerned."

So Trump put the economy ahead of confronting Iraq, but he didn’t speak against going to war. At most he suggested waiting for the United Nations to do something.

A week after the United States invaded Iraq on March 19, 2003, Trump gave different takes. At an Academy Awards after-party, Trump said that "the war’s a mess," according to the Washington Post. He told Fox News that because of the war, "The market’s going to go up like a rocket."

Throughout 2003, Trump complained about the cost of the Iraq War and its effect on the economy.

The earliest evidence of Trump’s outright opposition to the war didn’t come until an August 2004 article in Esquire, more than a year after the war started:

"Look at the war in Iraq and the mess that we're in. I would never have handled it that way," Trump said.
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The problem is Lester wasn't able to get out his whole question. He wanted Trump to explain why his shifting stance on the war. Even giving Trump the benefit of the doubt in that he was only casually for the war, there's a difference in saying Bush should wait for the UN to get involved versus not going there to begin with. And even his comments back in '04 weren't FLAT OUT opposition to the war in a way many were opposed to it.

Trump has already gone on record about his Stern comments saying he had no idea what he meant. That's not clear opposition to the war, the stance he's trying to say he had all along.

Trump has been challenged many times in this election to explain his early acceptance of the war. In a February 2016 interview on NBC’s Meet the Press, Trump said that he didn’t know what he meant during his 2002 conversation with Stern.

"That was a long time ago, and who knows what was in my head." Trump said.

At the Sept. 26 debate, Trump also said he had many debates with Fox host and Trump supporter Sean Hannity prior to the Iraq invasion — in which Trump opposed the invasion, and Hannity supported it.

However, they didn’t have these debates on the air so we have no record of them. Hannity has said this is "100 percent true."
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Henkka

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Krejlooc said:
I wonder if Palmer Luckey feels his $10000 political donation was worth it now. Congrats, your name is mud and your purchased a lemon.
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Thought the same. A tech millionaire destroying his reputation by supporting a candidate who wants to be very, very tough on cyber. Lmao.
 
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Wolfgunblood Garopa

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eFKac said:
Just watched it.

A rather unsurprising outcome.

Trump was a bit more calm than I expected because she baited him on many ocasions.
He has no policy whatsoever.
His answers weren't extreme for the most part which I guess makes sense.
But he doesn't feel like a career politician.

Hillary was better on policy, but rarely got into specifics, maybe she thought it's not a place for that.
She was collected but didn't feel likable. For me she lacked some more emotional response to some of the bullshit Donald was spewing on things like race.

The worst part was Lester Holt, terrible moderator. He let Trump go over time constantly and didn't push him enough when he evaded questions.
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This has been addressed many times, a few times by Clinton herself over the past few months.

Clinton is forced to be extra careful with her behavior and words, although she's still endearingly goofy at times. She has to self monitor all of the time due to sexist criticism she gets for any little thing she does- she's too loud, too shrill, her laugh is grating, she waved her arms too wildly or some bullshit like that, while Trump gets away with behaving and acting like a sniveling asshole half the time and he's simply perceived as 'emotional' in some kind of positive context.
 
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Xe4

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McNum said:
What would happen if Trump refused to show up to a debate? Would Hillary have to debate an empty chair? Or does she just get 90 minutes of free time to lay out her platform?
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The next is a town hall format, so Hillary would probably just do the town hall without Trump. The third one, I don't know. It's a pretty unprecedented situation if Trump does decide to bail.

balladofwindfishes said:
Except for debating someone who is incredibly qualified for the job, and coming across as a fool and a moron.

That kind of does stop the train.

And the train has never overtaken Hillary's train in the first place.
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Yeah, Hillary is right now where Obama was before the election. Not a place where you're safe, but if she had held that percentage, she would've still won.

People are just scared because she came from a very safe place in the polls.
 
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Joeku

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Tamanon said:
SANGER: We're under regular cyberattack. Would you use cyberweapons before you used military force?

TRUMP: Cyber is absolutely a thing of the future and the present. Look, we're under cyberattack, forget about them. And we don't even know where it's coming from.

SANGER: Some days we do, and some days we don't.

TRUMP: Because we're obsolete. Right now, Russia and China in particular and other places.

SANGER: Would you support the United States' not only developing as we are but fielding cyberweapons as an alternative?

TRUMP: Yes. I am a fan of the future, and cyber is the future.
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This sounds like something machine-translated from English to another language and back again.
 
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Elandyll

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Mika on morning Joe (openly Democrat) is having a live nervous breakdown...
She admits Clinton was "pitch perfect" and that Trump was a rude flustered mess, but she still is psyching herself down that he will be perceived as winning by just being an Alpha male type.

Worst thing about this is, by being like that, she is helping him push that BS narrative.
 
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Ozigizo

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Merc_ said:
lol at the Trump won hashtag. It's full of alt-righters posting internet polls as proof he won the debate. Considering how Trump gravitates to anything that confirms his biases, they are setting their own candidate up to ensure he doesn't do anything to change his behavior in the future debates leading him to make a fool of himself again. This is gold.
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They're probably posting all the polls they rigged.
 
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Krejlooc

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Henkka said:
Thought the same. A tech millionaire destroying his reputation by supporting a candidate who wants to be very, very tough on cyber. Lmao.
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tut tut - A tech millionaire destroying his reputation by funding white supremacists who are stanning for a candidate who wants to be very, very tough on cyber.
 
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CHC

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Tamanon said:
SANGER: We're under regular cyberattack. Would you use cyberweapons before you used military force?

TRUMP: Cyber is absolutely a thing of the future and the present. Look, we're under cyberattack, forget about them. And we don't even know where it's coming from.

SANGER: Some days we do, and some days we don't.

TRUMP: Because we're obsolete. Right now, Russia and China in particular and other places.

SANGER: Would you support the United States' not only developing as we are but fielding cyberweapons as an alternative?

TRUMP: Yes. I am a fan of the future, and cyber is the future.
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Nocebo

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shadowsdarknes said:
So frustrating to see and hear so many comments along the lines of:

"This election is a joke"
"Both candidates are awful"
"It'd be great if a meteor took them both out and we started over"
"It's just a shouting match!"
"Nobody won. Everyone lost"

The intellectual laziness found amongst people unwilling to actually assess the substance of a debate is astonishing.
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Well, most social media seems designed to promote and facilitate intellectual laziness.
 
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Master Yoshi

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Last night, I felt reinvigorated that Hillary has this election in the bag. Now I'm back at work, and it's like reality is slapping me in the face. Every person I've asked believes Trump won. It's truly fucking bizarro land.
 
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Lightning_Roller

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Merc_ said:
lol at the Trump won hashtag. It's full of alt-righters posting internet polls as proof he won the debate. Considering how Trump gravitates to anything that confirms his biases, they are setting their own candidate up to ensure he doesn't do anything to change his behavior in the future debates leading him to make a fool of himself again. This is gold.
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So they will inadvertently continue the vicious cycle of Trump looking like a complete ass on national TV and will do so until November.

Glorious.

Just glorious.
 
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McNum

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Xe4 said:
The next is a town hall format, so Hillary would probably just do the town hall without Trump. The third one, I don't know. It's a pretty unprecedented situation if Trump does decide to bail.
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I guess so. But that word: "unprecedented". It hs been used a lot this time around, hasn't it? Not that I expect Trump to stay away. I doubt his pride would let him, especially if he gets baited right. But still... this election cycle has been weird.
 
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wumster3000

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RPGCrazied said:
Why the fuck is #TrumpWon trending on twitter? Did they seriously not watch that bloodbath last night? Wow.
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Because Trump supporters don't care. They love him no matter what. It's pretty scary when you think about it. He was utterly embarrassed last night and yet, people still love him. My Trump supporting mother in law went in the next room when magma started spewing from his ears. She's still voting for him. They don't care. Let's hope enough Menials saw how unfit he is to lead.
 
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CHC

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Pai Pai Master said:
Ugh they were interviewing people for reactions on NPR and this one dude said Trump was perfect last night and he likes him because he's an alpha male
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It's so nerve-wracking how the only solution to working against people like that is to simply hope there aren't enough of them to turn the popular vote. Macho-ass bullshit is such a deep rooted cultural issue, it really has nothing to do with Trump or the issues. There's no changing their minds in time for November, its far far too late.
 
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Wolfgunblood Garopa

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Master Yoshi said:
Last night, I felt reinvigorated that Hillary has this election in the bag. Now I'm back at work, and it's like reality is slapping me in the face. Every person I've asked believes Trump won. It's truly fucking bizarro land.
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Well sure, that's what they do.

Clinton just jumped back to 70% on ElectionBettingOdds, a +6% jump overnight. It's over, period point blank.
 
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SomTervo

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Merc_ said:
lol at the Trump won hashtag. It's full of alt-righters posting internet polls as proof he won the debate. Considering how Trump gravitates to anything that confirms his biases, they are setting their own candidate up to ensure he doesn't do anything to change his behavior in the future debates leading him to make a fool of himself again. This is gold.
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Hopefully man. Christ. It could go the other way. I hope it doesn't but any publicity is good publicity (yadda), especially in the eyes of a public who quite evidently aren't interested in facts or good rhetoric.
 
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Doc Holliday

SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Ugh Democrats who keep saying trump will win despite the evidence are getting good on my nerves. At his very best, and Hilary at her worst he was still down 2-3 points. She just destroyed him in front of 100 million people and more importantly the media is saying the same thing.

The loud tough, strong, and tremendous trump got destroyed by a woman. that's what it looks like right now.
 
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ahoyhoy

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Quote said:
Has Trump every done the blanket "go vote!" statement?
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He would be stupid to. Statistically the larger the voter turnout, the more likely Democrats are to win.

Of course this year is topsy turvey so who the fuck knows what will happen.
 
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Xe4

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Master Yoshi said:
Last night, I felt reinvigorated that Hillary has this election in the bag. Now I'm back at work, and it's like reality is slapping me in the face. Every person I've asked believes Trump won. It's truly fucking bizarro land.
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We're they already Trump supporters? If so don't worry about it. Trump supporters would think he won if he took a piss on the stage. There's no convincing those people. Early data seems to indicate that Clinton's gonna get a bump, but it remains to be seen if that is true or not.
 
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wumster3000

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Master Yoshi said:
Last night, I felt reinvigorated that Hillary has this election in the bag. Now I'm back at work, and it's like reality is slapping me in the face. Every person I've asked believes Trump won. It's truly fucking bizarro land.
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If they were hardcore republicans, then it means nothing. If they are swing voters, then I am sad.
 
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JHoNNy1OoO

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Elandyll said:
Mika on morning Joe (openly Democrat) is having a live nervous breakdown...
She admits Clinton was "pitch perfect" and that Trump was a rude flustered mess, but she still is psyching herself down that he will be perceived as winning by just being an Alpha male type.

Worst th8ng about this is, by being like that, she is helping him push that BS narrative.
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Yup. Nothing but chicken littles helping to drive the narrative. Dems are notorious for this crap.
 
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wumster3000

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Wolfgunblood Garopa said:
Well sure, that's what they do.

Clinton just jumped back to 70% on ElectionBettingOdds, a +6% jump overnight. It's over, period point blank.
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I just can't shake it. I can't say it's over. Trump is different. Some people believe every single lie he told last night. He got fucking decimated and people are saying he won. That's the Trump mentality. Everyone is in denial about his lack brain juice. I wish I felt the same as you.
 
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dramatis

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I think it's pretty obvious who came out on top, though I am more mixed about Trump's first third.

Many posters think Trump did well in the first third with his attacks on NAFTA and TPP. The content of his message was not bad, the problem was delivery. All I remember is how he pretty much lost it onstage and started screaming at Hillary, and she didn't even flinch. He seemed very irritated that early on when he tried to interrupt that Hillary just kept going, so he thought he could try and shock her into submission. But instead it perfectly demonstrated that he was exactly not what he claimed to be later on in the debate: a winning temperament.
 
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Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Anecdote: I work with a few die-hard Hillary-hating trumpers and none of them have any sort of air of victory about them this morning. It's all very hedged "He did good but should have hit her harder on the emails" kind of talk.
 
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Lo_Fi

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Souldriver said:
Yep.

Hillary says "cavalier", one minute later Trump says it as well. And you just fucking KNOW he just decided to incorporate it in his 20 word counting word salad. His speech pattern should be studied, it's so bizarre.
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Don't have a link right now, but check out the nerd writer on YouTube, he has at least 2 videos on him.
 
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