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Presidential Debate #1 |Hofstra University| PRESS X TO SEAN
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SDCowboy
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Dr. Benton Quest
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Hoooly shit. Lol.
I missed her saying this.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154613446306151&id=11145281150
I missed her saying this.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154613446306151&id=11145281150
Laying out actual policies and ideas for her presidency is kind of boring I guess.
Already Torn
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CNN'/ poll had an admitted liberal leaning though
It certainly wasn't boring.
DragonSworne
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No he didn't.
He also didn't use the phrase "Make America Great Again" which I'm pretty sure is still his campaign's main slogan.
I thought he praised Putin last night?
Online polls don't really mean anything, because they survey online folks across the world rather than likely voters. Even small focus groups are more reliable, because you know everybody there is an American who watched the debate.
There was also a really big push on /pol/ for Trump supporters to keep opening incognito browsers and vote 10 or 20 times.
He used it near the end when talking about how they'd act if they were to lose.
shiftplusone
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I think Hillary can come off as too business like with overly prepared answers. Similar as if she was interviewing for a job (which i guess this technically is) That's not really bad though, just not much of that "want to have a beer with" factor
That this is still much more preferable over the incoherent rambling Trump offers goes without saying.
That this is still much more preferable over the incoherent rambling Trump offers goes without saying.
GitarooMan
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Even taking that into account, it was still a substantial victory.
Not at all. Hillary got him to meltdown, and between her and Lester he had plenty of rope with which to hang himself with last night. It's pretty clear that Trump did not belong on the stage last night.
Souldriver
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No matter who wins this election , think people in the USA will miss Obama. What we saw yesterday was no a debate but this :
Comments like these are more annoying than those of die hard Trump supporters.
It's so easy to be dismissive about the whole election process, act like your above it all and fire a blanket statement about how both candidates are terrible.
It makes me question of you even watched the debate. Hillary specifically went out of her way to not react when Trump interrupt her. She never engaged in the mud slinging contest Trump wanted this debate to be, and that so many independents and undecideds claim to hate. She kept calm, and when given the time to speak, mostly talked about policy and positions.
You're dismissing Hillary as taking part in a trainwreck simply because it's her job to enter the scene of the accident.
Nooooooo!
balladofwindfishes
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Good policy is boring.
Common Knowledge
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Always knew dogs were all Trump-supporters. Yet another win for cats.
No matter who wins this election , think people in the USA will miss Obama. What we saw yesterday was no a debate but this :
did you actually watch the debate or just looking for an excuse to post that gif lol
Baraka in the White House
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No matter who wins this election , think people in the USA will miss Obama. What we saw yesterday was no a debate but this :
My ass.
This, "they're both the saaaaaame" narrative needs to fuck right off into the abyss. If you think there's anything similar between Trump and Clinton, you've got your eyes closed and ears plugged.
Yeah, doesn't fellating the mic when his boyfriend gets mentioned count?
Gun control was tame
Immigration was tame
Emails was tame
but I'm down for the next debate however
edit: okay I admit, Hillary won the debate, but it was closer than it should have been
ColdDeckEd
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Yeah, this was my brother's gut reaction too, that she was robotic and some of her responses were too scripted. I was like, what's wrong with that, with being prepared? Kind of shrugged his shoulders. He's voting Hillary, so that's not a problem to me if he felt that way, but I was really kind of surprised that it could be spun as a negative that she was prepared.
So did the online polls for Bernie.
Garrett Hawke
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Maybe if you weren't paying any attention to anything comin out of anyone's mouthsNo matter who wins this election , think people in the USA will miss Obama. What we saw yesterday was no a debate but this :
prag16
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Is 41% democrats to 26% republicans a realistic breakdown of likely voters though? I would assume not, but I don't have proof.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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South Park political 'wisdom' is the worst.
Last night's debate was basically
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th7EA6agX-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th7EA6agX-g
Quantum locked sexism. It exists until you point out specific cases.
10-1 odds that Trump will try to come out swinging at the next debate and bring up the emails and #BENGHAZI himself in the first 15 minutes if the moderator doesn't.
sturgboski
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*whew* 400lb people cant get out of bed to vote so Hillary has this in the bag.
Nope, I think he will most likely go blue and start putting Bill Clinton's indiscretions on trial.
That's.. an interesting perspective.
The other is that Trump interrupted her 51 times to her 17 times, and that he was caught flat out lying 16 times to her 0 times, while she remained perfectly presidential and he was getting pretty angry and incoherent by the end.
But sure.
What is funny is that she still has a fuckton of ammunition left against him and that he used his best shots (insider establishment, emails) and still lost by a wide margin:
Immigration/ Wall/ Muslims - Trump U scandal - Personal use of Charity and corruption (she'll probably keep that in reserve in case he brings up The Clinton Foundation), Attack on vet heroes (McCain) and Gold Star families, Rape accusations (probably keeping that in case he goes Lewinski), attack on hispanic ethnicity (Judge Curiel), Casino failures, etc.
No matter who wins this election , think people in the USA will miss Obama. What we saw yesterday was no a debate but this :
I think they agreed on more things than differed...
Both of the bolded belie a sexist perspective of Hillary and women in general.
SlimySnake
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I thought Hillary was very disappointing yesterday. She had her moments but she had more in common with first 2012 debate Obama than second or third debate Obama.
It seems like they prepped her to not hit back at him everytime he said something crazy. I understand you cant challenge guy who will continue saying ridiculous things but thats part of being in a debate. YOU do the fact check. Thats why you are there. Its a debate.
He made up a bunch of shit when it came to trade and she did not contest any of it. that gave it credibility. All she had to do was say that adding tariffs to imports is going to end up hurting the middle class. She didnt. When it came to the lie that her staff on CNN claimed they started the birther movement, she let that go unchallenged as well. Why? Again, that gave it credibility to the stupid fucking idiots who still havent made up their minds 14 months into the election season. Her surrogates contested this particular claim after the debate, why did she not do it herself????
The iran deal is one of the best treaties in decades. she didnt defend it. that billion dollars we gave them is THEIR money we seized from them. She failed to mention that. Mexico and china stealing our jobs is because of greedy corporations not the fucking government. She failed to mention how trump ties and trump goods are made in foreign countries. i could go on and on.
Hillary puts too much stock into the american people. She really shouldnt. Americans are dumb. You have to convince people that the other guy is a liar. You cant just put out your plan and hope it sticks. You have to WIN the argument.
Other than that, she had a great composed performance that would've been great for any other debate. She was calm, collected and resolute. She looked presidential and also came across folksy like Bill. She called him crazy on live tv and said what was on everyone's mind. let's just hope obama gives her a call and tells her to press harder to challenge him on the specifics.
It seems like they prepped her to not hit back at him everytime he said something crazy. I understand you cant challenge guy who will continue saying ridiculous things but thats part of being in a debate. YOU do the fact check. Thats why you are there. Its a debate.
He made up a bunch of shit when it came to trade and she did not contest any of it. that gave it credibility. All she had to do was say that adding tariffs to imports is going to end up hurting the middle class. She didnt. When it came to the lie that her staff on CNN claimed they started the birther movement, she let that go unchallenged as well. Why? Again, that gave it credibility to the stupid fucking idiots who still havent made up their minds 14 months into the election season. Her surrogates contested this particular claim after the debate, why did she not do it herself????
The iran deal is one of the best treaties in decades. she didnt defend it. that billion dollars we gave them is THEIR money we seized from them. She failed to mention that. Mexico and china stealing our jobs is because of greedy corporations not the fucking government. She failed to mention how trump ties and trump goods are made in foreign countries. i could go on and on.
Hillary puts too much stock into the american people. She really shouldnt. Americans are dumb. You have to convince people that the other guy is a liar. You cant just put out your plan and hope it sticks. You have to WIN the argument.
Other than that, she had a great composed performance that would've been great for any other debate. She was calm, collected and resolute. She looked presidential and also came across folksy like Bill. She called him crazy on live tv and said what was on everyone's mind. let's just hope obama gives her a call and tells her to press harder to challenge him on the specifics.
Not quite, but even accounting for the breakdown the numbers are highly favorable for Clinton.
lol
balladofwindfishes
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You could honestly see him slowly falling apart. It started with him sniffling a bit, then he started drinking a lot, then he was breathing heavily, his face turned red, and the entire thing collapsed on him.
He actually looked visibly furious at the situation unfolding.
He actually looked visibly furious at the situation unfolding.
What we think is measured in our own online user poll in this very thread.
please stop looking at online polls
CoffeeJanitor
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I wake up and it turns out Trump had a post debate interview ripping Machano for gaining weight?
WTF
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She defended both trade and the Iran deal, I'm not sure what you wanted her to do. It's like you watched a different debate.
I personally prefer to just think of it as a sort of cultural tar or a stain. We've managed to get a good bit of it out, enough that looking at a woman as unqualified just because of feminine qualities is looked down on, but it's nigh impossible to get the damn thing erased entirely.
As I said, I wasn't saying that the person I was quoting was sexist. Just that he should be extra careful not to dismiss the potential influence of it on his perception of HC out of hand.
palmer luckey is clicking away on those for sure
Baraka in the White House
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Not in the slightest.
Man Called Aerodynamics
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People are just so ready to believe the best about Trump and the worst about Clinton. Anything good about her can be spun into a negative. Meanwhile Trump gets praise if he shows up with his shoes tied.
I think anyone who watched the last ~30 minutes of that debate with their eyes open wouldn't be talking about preparation as a bad thing.
Good thing politics isn't entertainment.
It was an entertaining debate. My take:
Hillary won - she had better high moments, more soundbites, more in promptu applauses, and only a couple of difficult situations to handle. She prepared for this, and it showed. Saw several of her debates with Obama, and her demeanor was the best in long time.
Her 2 best moments (as a foreign): The Alicia Machado's comment (ie. racism/discrimination will come to bite Trump back) and her reassurance that USA has "good word". She looked sure of herself and 'presidential'.
But there are huge problems from my perspective:
1) She tried, but never managed to fully bait Trump. Her team announced that they would put a lot emphasis on that, but amounted to almost nothing. So, guess they only put Trump in alert, in advance.
2) If you look the debate in a casual (ie, without giving it much thought) way, she didn't look THAT much better. And that's a plus for Trump, because a lot of people banked on the idea that she would completely wipe the floor with him, and that never fully happened. Bullshit and all, he managed to recover himself from several bad moments, disarmed at least 1 major attack (discrimination's demand) and had the ability to get back to her in 2 occasions in a major way ("release my taxes when you show your deleted emails" + "you have experience, but is bad experience").
3) There were several moments when Hillary opened herself to several easy attacks. Perhaps more so than Trump. He thankfully wasn't clever enough to pick them. But he might in future debates. Who knows.
4) I assume this is part of her strategy, but there were 2 great setups, and she never went for a major blow. On the contrary, it felt that she deliberately tried to go for a methodical grind.
But again, slow ethering only works when you already went for the kill, and you are just rubbing salt to the injury or as tear down tactic for an "aha" moment. What instead happened, is that she explained to the audience that Trump is likely evading taxes, and probably doing shady things with charity funds without explicitly showing it.
So, the only thing left for her, is to give some examples of that (like the paintings); but that's it. I'm afraid the rest will be just repeating the same thing, over an over. She will only manage to desensitize the audience to it.
Hope I'm mistaken but it feel that this is very close to Hillary peaking in a debate. She for sure has some truth bombs left, but if she does not deliver -and properly follow through- it in the next important debates, then she will miss the chance to convert the undecided.
Because ultimately, this is about that.. not to convince those that are already voting for her.
Hillary won - she had better high moments, more soundbites, more in promptu applauses, and only a couple of difficult situations to handle. She prepared for this, and it showed. Saw several of her debates with Obama, and her demeanor was the best in long time.
Her 2 best moments (as a foreign): The Alicia Machado's comment (ie. racism/discrimination will come to bite Trump back) and her reassurance that USA has "good word". She looked sure of herself and 'presidential'.
But there are huge problems from my perspective:
1) She tried, but never managed to fully bait Trump. Her team announced that they would put a lot emphasis on that, but amounted to almost nothing. So, guess they only put Trump in alert, in advance.
2) If you look the debate in a casual (ie, without giving it much thought) way, she didn't look THAT much better. And that's a plus for Trump, because a lot of people banked on the idea that she would completely wipe the floor with him, and that never fully happened. Bullshit and all, he managed to recover himself from several bad moments, disarmed at least 1 major attack (discrimination's demand) and had the ability to get back to her in 2 occasions in a major way ("release my taxes when you show your deleted emails" + "you have experience, but is bad experience").
3) There were several moments when Hillary opened herself to several easy attacks. Perhaps more so than Trump. He thankfully wasn't clever enough to pick them. But he might in future debates. Who knows.
4) I assume this is part of her strategy, but there were 2 great setups, and she never went for a major blow. On the contrary, it felt that she deliberately tried to go for a methodical grind.
But again, slow ethering only works when you already went for the kill, and you are just rubbing salt to the injury or as tear down tactic for an "aha" moment. What instead happened, is that she explained to the audience that Trump is likely evading taxes, and probably doing shady things with charity funds without explicitly showing it.
So, the only thing left for her, is to give some examples of that (like the paintings); but that's it. I'm afraid the rest will be just repeating the same thing, over an over. She will only manage to desensitize the audience to it.
Hope I'm mistaken but it feel that this is very close to Hillary peaking in a debate. She for sure has some truth bombs left, but if she does not deliver -and properly follow through- it in the next important debates, then she will miss the chance to convert the undecided.
Because ultimately, this is about that.. not to convince those that are already voting for her.
FrenchMovieTheme
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Actually someone did win the debate, and it was hillary clinton. It's like watching the 49ers vs broncos superbowl that the niners won 55-10 and saying no one won because it was a blowout/boring. But someone did win brah!
The moderator did press Trump on the birther issue several times, he didn't let him dodge the subject (and that's one where Trump really came off badly and it was obvious Trump knew he was coming off badly, hence why he was trying to move on from the subject quickly).
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