Lord Frieza
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You missed my edit, I guess, but earlier you said this 'Silent Majority' will help Trump win, but now you're saying they won't? I'm not following you.
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You missed my edit, I guess, but earlier you said this 'Silent Majority' will help Trump win, but now you're saying they won't? I'm not following you.
Brexit is 2016's version of unskewed polls
Bits N Pieces
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It's the silent (majority?) electorate America has to worry about.
That's what done the UK when it came to Brexit. How many people are going to vote for Trump that have never voted before? Are we talking big numbers?
That's what Farage did, prayed on the weak, vulnerable and those with little to no further education and there were enough new voters like that he was able to rabble rouse to get it over the line.
Some of the lines that Farage cane out with during our televised debates could have been found in the Trump handbook.
Basically, don't get complacent America. That's where we went wrong
That's what done the UK when it came to Brexit. How many people are going to vote for Trump that have never voted before? Are we talking big numbers?
That's what Farage did, prayed on the weak, vulnerable and those with little to no further education and there were enough new voters like that he was able to rabble rouse to get it over the line.
Some of the lines that Farage cane out with during our televised debates could have been found in the Trump handbook.
Basically, don't get complacent America. That's where we went wrong
The US press and popular polls are calling it pretty solidly for Clinton.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1010/822749-usdebate2mediareax/
I think Trump was more aggressive than many expected, but I think it's kind of a 'he lives to lose another day' kind of thing.
SporeCrawler
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Polls showed leave and remain to be pretty even with leave having a slight edge.It's the silent (majority?) electorate America has to worry about.
That's what done the UK when it came to Brexit. How many people are going to vote for Trump that have never voted before? Are we talking big numbers?
That's what Farage did, prayed on the weak, vulnerable and those with little to no further education and there were enough new voters like that he was able to rabble rouse to get it over the line.
Some of the lines that Farage cane out with during our televised debates could have been found in the Trump handbook.
Basically, don't get complacent America. That's where we went wrong
Polls are showing with a clinton advantage in particular on a state by state level
Massive Duck. C.M.
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It's the silent (majority?) electorate America has to worry about.
That's what done the UK when it came to Brexit. How many people are going to vote for Trump that have never voted before? Are we talking big numbers?
That's what Farage did, prayed on the weak, vulnerable and those with little to no further education and there were enough new voters like that he was able to rabble rouse to get it over the line.
Some of the lines that Farage cane out with during our televised debates could have been found in the Trump handbook.
Basically, don't get complacent America. That's where we went wrong
Trump supporters aren't shy about voicing support. Honestly the greater worry is complacent liberals not voting or "voting their conscience"
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There's a reason that democrats say "go out and vote" and republicans say "vote for me!"
Lord Frieza
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It's the silent (majority?) electorate America has to worry about.
That's what done the UK when it came to Brexit. How many people are going to vote for Trump that have never voted before? Are we talking big numbers?
That's what Farage did, prayed on the weak, vulnerable and those with little to no further education and there were enough new voters like that he was able to rabble rouse to get it over the line.
Some of the lines that Farage cane out with during our televised debates could have been found in the Trump handbook.
Basically, don't get complacent America. That's where we went wrong
Also, is there really any kind of real evidence or belief to support that 'complacency' had a real effect in Brexit? Or is this just something everyone wants to believe to downplay the fact that a lot of people wanted (or thought they wanted) the Leave option?
A higher voter turnout works in Clinton's favor more than Trump's because of how the electoral college is set up.
benjipwns
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On the plus side, Hillary once again affirmed her support for government suppression of the press publishing statements critical of elected politicians, so her Supreme Court appointments will certainly help a Future Trump keep them in jail.
Just woke up after shutting down the debate halfway through because I couldn't handle it. It's profoundly sad and disturbing that it got this far. We're far below rock bottom here. It is extremely concerning that this is where we are now and that more than 30% of Americans will likely still vote for the obviously unqualified, misogynistic, racist and bigoted clown-child.
When confronted about the tapes he turned it into a rant about ISIS, which can basically be construed as "ISIS can just behead people, why can't I sexually assault women?".
When asked about Islamophobia and how he will combat it, he completely missed the point and went on to rant about how Muslims are the problem and how he's the only one who says radical ISLAMIC tera and how he'll do EXTREME VETTING at the border.
He said live on television that he will jail his political opponent.
When asked about healthcare and how to fix it, he again went on a rant about Obamacare and how it should be repealed and replaced by 'something' without actually detailing what that something would be - he did this after his opponent pointed out that this was what he was going to say.
When pressed by the moderators to answer the damn question he was asked he said it was unfair and 'it's three against one here'.
Etc. Etc.
A massive number of people are still going to vote for this guy and that should concern everyone, even if he does get crushed. Sure, 'Clinton will win' and 'this will never happen again' etc., but I don't think you can blame me for being very concerned with what's happening here and with the damage he has already done. This man should have not even made it past the primary process. :/
When confronted about the tapes he turned it into a rant about ISIS, which can basically be construed as "ISIS can just behead people, why can't I sexually assault women?".
When asked about Islamophobia and how he will combat it, he completely missed the point and went on to rant about how Muslims are the problem and how he's the only one who says radical ISLAMIC tera and how he'll do EXTREME VETTING at the border.
He said live on television that he will jail his political opponent.
When asked about healthcare and how to fix it, he again went on a rant about Obamacare and how it should be repealed and replaced by 'something' without actually detailing what that something would be - he did this after his opponent pointed out that this was what he was going to say.
When pressed by the moderators to answer the damn question he was asked he said it was unfair and 'it's three against one here'.
Etc. Etc.
A massive number of people are still going to vote for this guy and that should concern everyone, even if he does get crushed. Sure, 'Clinton will win' and 'this will never happen again' etc., but I don't think you can blame me for being very concerned with what's happening here and with the damage he has already done. This man should have not even made it past the primary process. :/
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It's a vote between two things. In that regard and in relation to the examples being used, it's relevant.
Lord Frieza
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What are you referring to, or is this a troll. I can never really tell with most of your posts.
Lol, that's good. Luckily, Hillary is the Final Girl, so her chances of survival are high.
benjipwns
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No, it's not.
It's most likely more people are going to vote for an option that's not Trump or Hillary than the difference between Leave and Remain.
Lord Frieza
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I'm sorry, and I know there's not a kind way to say this so I will apologize in advance even though I'm sure it won't help, this is pretty much pure ignorance.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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With ABSOLUTELY no context, sure why not
If you mean the South Park thing, it's lazy. It's a sure fire sign that you're not thinking for yourself and/or are not paying attention. There's more to life than silly cartoons.
It's the silent (majority?) electorate America has to worry about.
That's what done the UK when it came to Brexit. How many people are going to vote for Trump that have never voted before? Are we talking big numbers?
That's what Farage did, prayed on the weak, vulnerable and those with little to no further education and there were enough new voters like that he was able to rabble rouse to get it over the line.
Some of the lines that Farage cane out with during our televised debates could have been found in the Trump handbook.
Basically, don't get complacent America. That's where we went wrong
Doesn't matter as much in the US due to the electoral college. Popular vote doesn't decide the winner and really votes only matter in 5-6 states.
benjipwns
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It was only one sentence but she's been consistent about it:
Hillary Clinton said:
That's okay, I forgive you.
I'm not talking about the South Park thing.
Lord Frieza
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Actually, that's not the silent majority. The actual truth is there's not a silent majority. There's never been one, at least not one that there's been real proof of. It's always been a term that's used to energize the GOP base, to make them seem special. I mean, sure, there are people who vote who don't participate in polls, but there's never been a point in modern elections where there's been such a significant discrepancy that it made a major difference in the outcome. Why anyone thinks it'll happen now, for a candidate who has alienated almost every demographic outside one fairly major one, is beyond me.
Lord Frieza
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I...am still not sure if serious.
EmpressInYellow
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...I think presenting "reversing Citizens United" as "support for government suppression of the press publishing statements critical of elected politicians" is either hugely misinformed or remarkably disingenuous.
Tal Shiar Agent
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I know you are trolling, but anyway Citizens United was about campaign spending by corporations. The ruling effectively gave corporations First Amendment rights, which isn't a good thing.
Not really. Turnout was about as expected. Young people (~75% of whom voted for Remain) didn't vote nearly as much as the elderly but they wouldn't have tipped the scales the other way even if they'd voted en masse for Remain.
benjipwns
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Good to know you "know" the mind of others.
Citizens United wanted to air ads for and have airings of the movie Hillary: The Movie, the position of the FEC was not only could the government suppress these, but that it could ban books, blogs and block things on stuff like Kindles. All for a single sentence critical of a politician.
Corporations were always allowed unlimited campaign spending except the government retained authority over which corporations were allowed unlimited spending. A blatant violation of the First Amendment, which says "no law restricting the freedom of the press." Not "except where decided void by the executive branch." The ruling in Citizens United said that all corporations are equal in this regard, properly protecting press rights that McCain-Feingold violated.
ClosingADoor
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We have tons of limits on freedom of speech and press where necessary for a functional society and government. An absolute freedom there is not what you want, there need to be limits. And limiting on corporation spending in political campaigns is a good one. A vast majority of the public agrees on this.
The Brexit comparison is bad. Polling aggregates told us it was extremely close, and a lot of polling indicated a slight Leave win was coming.
Polling aggregates are not telling us the US Presidential election is close. Not to mention when you break down the US electoral college his chances look even more grim.
Yet some seem to be making the same error that led to the Brexit surprise (ignoring lots of polls), whilst simultaneously pointing to Brexit as proof some kind of similar upset is coming. It's baffling.
Polling aggregates are not telling us the US Presidential election is close. Not to mention when you break down the US electoral college his chances look even more grim.
Yet some seem to be making the same error that led to the Brexit surprise (ignoring lots of polls), whilst simultaneously pointing to Brexit as proof some kind of similar upset is coming. It's baffling.
benjipwns
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I'd argue that the govenrment needing the power to suppress freedom of the press is the antithesis of a functional society.
ClosingADoor
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78% of the public disagrees with you on that in this case. It's also not about suppressing freedom of press, but the funds that are used for it. You can still air the same message, that is not being suppressed.
Lord Thrappleper The 49th
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In all honesty the only question trump definitively 'won' on was the last one. Saying something positive about the opponent. Clinton turned it into something else (true politician style) and went on and on, maximising her time limit. Trump was one and done. Short a sweet.
benjipwns
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Good thing we have laws that protect the rights of minorities then huh.
She should have forced him to go first because it was ambiguous who was supposed to go first.
Second answer always wins that question, even for somebody like Trump. Because they know how far the other person went and just have to get past it.
Hours Left
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Though it totally flies in the face of attacking her on stamina, which he was going on about for so long.
ClosingADoor
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This has nothing to do with minorities, but with funding of political messages. You can still air the message, but the funding is the issue.
EmpressInYellow
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For sure. Won't SOMEONE think of the massive, incredibly wealthy corporations?
benjipwns
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No, the FEC's position was that you couldn't air the message because it costs money to publish.
No, they were the ones already protected. The multi-billion dollar The New York Times Company, News Corp and Sheinhardt Wig Company were all free to spend as much as they wanted to publish all sorts of political opinions. A small non-profit like Citizens United or a local union was not.
Lord Frieza
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But he praised her for never quitting, never giving up, when he's previously said she was unfit to be President, and didn't have the stamina to do the job. Was it really a good answer, or did it betray Trump's assessment of Clinton through the campaign, or betray his own beliefs?
ClosingADoor
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Because of the way it was funded. If an individual would have paid for it, it would have been fine.
Tal Shiar Agent
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If we were talking about actual people that would be one thing. The Constitution guarantees the rights for all citizens. Corporations are not and should not be regarded as citizens, people, or anything of the like and should not have the same protections and guarantees as actual people.
Red Liquorice
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lol. Was this some kind of tactic he had to always stay in shot?
You (as the speaker) want to position yourself between the camera and your opponent.
That way everything he or she does while not speaking is seen. Every sign of weakness or awkwardness.
benjipwns
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This is missing the fucking point. The point is the double standard applied by the law. Some corporations were allowed to publish political opinions and others were not. The First Amendment doesn't apply to only favored corporations, it applies to all because there is no reasonable interpretation of it that says it applies to none.
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