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Presidential Debate #3 |University of Nevada| America's Final Fantasy

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He's a '''''''''''''journalist''''''''''''' who is actually a convicted crimal who makes these fake hidden tape videos. He's a liar and huckster.
Yup. He was behind the fake ACORN videos in 2008 that got them shut down despite being nothing. He's no one that should be taken seriously as he's completely thrown away any credibility he has.
 

Haunted

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Looking at the international consensus, the miracle Trump needed didn't happen. Still on course for a decisive Clinton win.

So now the priorities should be:

Bipartisan: make sure things stay peaceful on and after election day.

Democrats: make sure to mobilise the vote even in the face of certain victory to gain control of the senate.

Republicans: prevent a portion of your party splitting off after the defeat and rally around a more moderate Republican in 2020.
 

Toxi

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Sàmban;220826125 said:
Finished watching. I thought Trump did really well. He was actually fairly toe-to-toe with Hillary but absolutely RUINED everything with that concession statement. God, that was fucking terrible. He just made himself look really bad with that.
You're crazy. Go watch Trump's response to the question about Mosul; it's clear he has no fucking clue what he's even talking about.
One of my right wing acquaintances is complaining about Clinton talking about the confidential time to initiate a nuclear strike.

Can't find anything about that?
It's not confidential info. I already knew it was only a few minutes, and I'm a spider.
 

Tagg9

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I mean, I can't even find anything regarding a statement to such a thing that she made.

Here is the transcript:

HILLARY CLINTON
.. Japan, Korea, even Saudi Arabia. He said, well if we had them why don't we use them? Which I think is terrifying. But here's the deal: the bottom line on nuclear weapons is that when the president gives the order, it must be followed. There is about four minutes between the order being given and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so. And that is why ten people who have had that awesome responsibility have come out in an unprecedented way said they would not trust Donald Trump with the nuclear codes or to have his finger on the nuclear button.

So the only thing she says that could be remotely taken as confidential is that there's a 4 minute gap between when the order is given and when the strike occurs. But I'm sure this has been mentioned before.
 

Klocker

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Am Australian, can confirm. Half the country lost our fucking shit when Julia Gilliard became our Prime Minister


Damn...

It's a shame. And here I am trying to regain my faith in the human race
especially Americans
and I am constantly being disappointed... shocked that so many people can side with this dangerous narcissist because he's a man.

If it is about women, I have suspected a few people close to me holding that one too, then it's ego or pride or idiocy. The Presidency is a position that requires, experience, temperament and thoughtfulness. Few people in the history of our country who have not already held the office, woman or not has as much experience into the inner workings of the office and interacting with the rest of the world than Hillary. It should have nothing to do with being a man or woman.

People resisting human evolution
 

Nocebo

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You're crazy. Go watch Trump's response to the question about Mosul; it's clear he has no fucking clue what he's even talking about.
Donald Trump probably sounds OK to people who are as ignorant as he is. Because you need to know something about something to know when someone is wrong about that something.
 

danm999

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Am Australian, can confirm. Half the country lost our fucking shit when Julia Gilliard became our Prime Minister

Oh it wasn't so bad, it was...

932862-abbott-new.jpg


Oh yeah it was pretty fucking bad wasn't it?
 

Veelk

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-book-report_us_58085172e4b0b994d4c46953


These are hilarious.

Borja Sotomayor ‏@borjasotomayor
Voldemort -Hillary won't say his name, but I will- is a loser. Big time. He messes up a simple Killing Curse! Unbelievable.

big nose betty ‏@mayapraff
Look, I don't know Voldemort. He said nice things about me. If we got along with the Death Eaters, wouldn't be so bad.

Ben @noblerzen
It was the best of times. Absolutely phenomenal. It was the worst of times. Total disaster.

Donald J. Drumpf ‏@RealDonalDrumpf
Terrific book. God's a great author. 7 or 8 Commandments I could definitely agree with. The others I'd like to renegotiate
 

HTupolev

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Sàmban;220826125 said:
Finished watching. I thought Trump did really well. He was actually fairly toe-to-toe with Hillary but absolutely RUINED everything with that concession statement. God, that was fucking terrible. He just made himself look really bad with that.
Trump did really well if you aren't familiar with some of the material. Part of the reason that Hillary didn't respond to a few of his points (i.e. almost everything Trump said on the subject of Mosul) is that she'd have to spend a while tearing down false premises before getting to the meat of the discussion. Which is cool and all, but she was trying to at least somewhat pretend to make positive policy discussion in between her attacks on Trump.

Who the hell is James O'Keefe?
Someone you don't release material through if you actually have anything to talk about.

90% of the running time of his videos consists of blended contexts so heavily chopped up that he might as well be editing syllables together to form words. The remaining 10% is stuff which sort of seems scandalous, but is still hard to make much of without the actual context and full conversation, and tends to not prove much on a very grand scale even if it's being presented fairly.
 

Klocker

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Oh it wasn't so bad, it was...

932862-abbott-new.jpg


Oh yeah it was pretty fucking bad wasn't it?

Holy shit...

concerned though that the shit Trump is trying to pull with the election results is a dangerous road though... more dangerous than we understand, way worse than challenging Obama birth right or attacking Hillary
 

Joeytj

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Here is the transcript:



So the only thing she says that could be remotely taken as confidential is that there's a 4 minute gap between when the order is given and when the strike occurs. But I'm sure this has been mentioned before.

There's nothing confidential about the process of launching nuclear weapons. It's been openly talked about in the media for months now. It even has it's Wikipedia page.

Saying "it takes four minutes" doesn't make a difference.
 
Wasn't able to watch the debate cause I was at work. But catching up now. This whole part from Hillary. God damn.
She has no chill.
“You know, back in the 1970s, I worked for the Children’s Defense Fund. And I was taking on discrimination against African-American kids in schools,” she began. “He was getting sued by the Justice Department for racial discrimination in his apartment buildings.”

She added: “In the 1980s, I was working to reform the schools in Arkansas. He was borrowing $14 million from his father to start his businesses. In the 1990s, I went to Beijing. Said ‘women’s rights are human rights.’ He insulted a former Miss Universe Alicia Machado — called her an ‘eating machine.’ And on the day I was in the Situation Room monitoring the raid that brought Osama bin Laden to justice, he was hosting the ‘Celebrity Apprentice.’”
 

mclem

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Feel kinda sorry for Conway, she really can't say he was shit can she?
Maybe the suitcases of money he pays will cheer her up.
I do wonder if Trump will decide his surrogates didn't do a good enough job... and refuse to pay them.

I can't help but think an old adage about polishing turds fits rather well.
 
I'm 22 minutes in. The moderator in this debate isn't as good as the two who did the last debate - I think they should have the ability to mute the candidates' speakers, rather than shouting over each other.
 
Wait a minute, I just found out that Bush Sr. signed NAFTA and not Bill Clinton. Why the hell does Trump continually use it against Bill and Hillary and why the hell doesn't Hillary call him out on blatantly lying on that?
 
I'm 45 minutes in. A lot of this is repetition of things they said in the first debate. I know Hillary is trying not to stoop to his level, but I think she really should put a bit more effort into rebuffing his bullshit.
 

devilhawk

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Wait a minute, I just found out that Bush Sr. signed NAFTA and not Bill Clinton. Why the hell does Trump continually use it against Bill and Hillary and why the hell doesn't Hillary call him out on blatantly lying on that?
It was Bill Clinton who ended up actually signing it into law. Trump is correct in saying that. Bush Sr was part of the drafting process. Congress didn't even vote on it until late 1993.
 

Ashhong

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Wait a minute, I just found out that Bush Sr. signed NAFTA and not Bill Clinton. Why the hell does Trump continually use it against Bill and Hillary and why the hell doesn't Hillary call him out on blatantly lying on that?

I mean, why doesn't she call him out when he specifically says that she and her team caused the riots at his rallies? Serious question. Is it better to ignore a lie than to say it isn't true?
 

Corpekata

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Wait a minute, I just found out that Bush Sr. signed NAFTA and not Bill Clinton. Why the hell does Trump continually use it against Bill and Hillary and why the hell doesn't Hillary call him out on blatantly lying on that?

Bush spearheaded it but Bill signed it into law, and they did work on it IIRC

I think pushing back against it would discredit her stance on how Bill did with the economy. Saying it was Bush's idea implies it was a bad idea, which is not what she believes, and doesn't really help her beyond some technically correct points.
 
It was Bill Clinton who ended up actually signing it into law. Trump is correct in saying that. Bush Sr was part of the drafting process. Congress didn't even vote on it until late 1993.
Ah ok
I mean, why doesn't she call him out when he specifically says that she and her team caused the riots at his rallies? Serious question. Is it better to ignore a lie than to say it isn't true?
Well yeah but that was one instance, he drops nafta like 5 times every debate
 

Veelk

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If Hillary called Trump out on every lie he said, she'd be on the defensive the entire time. You can't beat gish gallop by engaging in it.
 
I mean, why doesn't she call him out when he specifically says that she and her team caused the riots at his rallies? Serious question. Is it better to ignore a lie than to say it isn't true?

The rally video is something that sounds like nonsense on its own. You really think a legit video of Hillary and Obama plotting to start violence at Trumo rallies leaked and no legit news source picked up on it? She basically let that shit speak for itself
 

Chumley

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If Hillary called Trump out on every lie he said, she'd be on the defensive the entire time. You can't beat gish gallop by engaging in it.

That's why just not even acknowledging bullshit like pay for play allegations or that Okeefe video work so well. Makes the distinction between her - an experienced adult, and him - a moronic child, so much clearer. Trump can yell and scream about his conspiracy theories looking like the mad man on a street corner, which is what he really is as a candidate.
 
Clinton in reality, Trump in Trumpland

Take a guess.


More of his projection again. Same dude who regularly calls for violence.

Early polling is showing Clinton again.

Also, the big headline pretty much every news outlet is running with is Trump refusing to acknowledge the legitimacy of the election, which...probably won't play well outside of his hardcore base.

Look at the headlines. Trump is trying to destroy one of the founding principles of this country while more women and witnesses come out with sexual assault allegations. He is being torn apart limb by limb.

Nasty Woman, 52 to 39 in the CNN poll.

Just checking :p Who knows maybe I woke up and some crazy shit has happen.

That's what I expected. Thanks.
 
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