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VADER: (whispers inaudibly)

LUKE: That's not true! That's impossible!!


Again, there's a difference between leaving something open-ended for thematic reasons, and just eliding a coherent plot point entirely. Murray's line in Lost In Translation is the last line in the movie, and it's not really important what he says. It's also thematically appropriate in that their whole experience is a secret shared between the two of them, and so the last line is a secret between them that they refuse to share even with the audience.

But it matters what David asks the Engineer! It's part of the plot! The movie might be about being disappointed in the answer, or "be careful what you ask for", but it's not about hiding the question from the audience too. There's no thematic resonance to that. If we knew what he asked, and the Engineer answered in gibberish, or if he flipped out the same way, that sorta fits with what the movie is maybe trying to say. At least we'd know what he said that was so presumptuous or contemptible for some reason. But now we don't know what he asked or why it set off the Engineer. We don't know anything. It's useless.
 
I know I'm late to the hate train here but I thought the movie was pretty bad. Visually beautiful but there are so many plot holes, its ridiculous.

For the record, I blame it all on Damon Lindelof.
 
i liked the movie. didn't think it was great but it was entertaining. like others have said, it seems like there are a lot of missing scenes.

one thing that bugged me most was shaw being pregnant and then removing the alien. she's sitting on the table, they're going to freeze her or whatever, and then she kicks 2 peoples asses and runs away. no one chases her or tries to stop her. no one is around? then she has it removed and the next time she sees the other people they're just like "sup". i don't get that.

i guess i don't get a lot of the reactions people had in the movie to various things but im willing to enjoy the movie for what it was. i also fucking hated the lead guy (the guy who gets infected by fassbender poisoning his drink). fucking horrible. they should have given that part to james mcavoy! mcavoy + fassbender reunited!

Totally agree. She's totally chill with teaming up with those people then.

Just bad editing and story telling.
 
Yeah they totally didn't just find out there was a live engineer waiting to be woke up, that idk, may have been more important then her squid baby.

It's more weird that she's like "hey what's going oh hai Weyland. Engineer? I'll come along k see ya soon."
 
Yeah they totally didn't just find out there was a live engineer waiting to be woke up, that idk, may have been more important then her squid baby.

well, I did think that her showing up splattered with gobs of blood all over like a pollock painting and there not being much a reaction; did raise my eyebrow a little but hey...

squid baby rocks.
 
well, I did think that her showing up splattered with gobs of blood all over like a pollock painting and there not being much a reaction; did raise my eyebrow a little but hey...

squid baby rocks.

I am sure they knew what went down before she got there. At that point their concern was weyland. They probably asked him, "hey should we just kill her" and he said no, invite her along. Remember he wanted her specifically because she was a "true believer".

Directors cut blah blah yeah. None of this is really said but the other dialog gives a clue as to why they didn't react to her much, and why she went along to meet the engineer.
 
I am sure they knew what went down before she got there. At that point their concern was weyland. They probably asked him, "hey should we just kill her" and he said no, invite her along. Remember he wanted her specifically because she was a "true believer".

Directors cut blah blah yeah. None of this is really said but the other dialog gives a clue as to why they didn't react to her much, and why she went along to meet the engineer.

that's why i said there has to be a massive amount of missing footage. i know you can't really release a 3 hour movie in theaters these days so i'm looking forward to the directors cut because the movie was very frustrating at times due to the missing scenes
 
I am sure they knew what went down before she got there. At that point their concern was weyland. They probably asked him, "hey should we just kill her" and he said no, invite her along. Remember he wanted her specifically because she was a "true believer".

Directors cut blah blah yeah. None of this is really said but the other dialog gives a clue as to why they didn't react to her much, and why she went along to meet the engineer.
I dont think they knew much of anything. Remember they planned on putting her in cryo. Lets say everything went as planned, Weylan asks for immortality and the engineers are all like 'lol ok.'
They get back and a giant face hugger is running around the ship.
 
Do we have any idea if we are going to get a sequel for this? Ended up liking it a lot more than I thought I was going to based off all the negative reviews here.
 
The engineer in Alien is so much bigger than in Prometheus. A human is about as tall as his arm is long.
 
wanting everything clarified really does destroy films.
Pretty sure I've posted five or six times now pointing out I am quite fine with ambiguity and with most of the open threads in the film. I even did that right above your post. I'm talking about narrative coherence, not ambiguity.
 
Haven't seen this black goo theory posited yet:

I was thinking back to when Lindelof said something like "this movie shares some DNA with Alien" and it got me thinking. Could an elegant explanation for the black goo be that it is simply Xenomorph DNA? (Perhaps combined with some sort of retrovirus?)

In other words, instead of trying to sort out the black goo "lifecycle" (which seems fruitless and full of contradiction/convolution), perhaps we should look at the events of the movie as various examples of genetic splicing.

Mealworms + Xenomorph DNA = something halfway to a facehugger, for example.

Of course, there is also the usual Xenomorph lifecycle occurring simultaneously. So we get the facehugger-ish squid baby (which comes from an egg, let's not forget - a human egg, but still), which then impregnates the Engineer who in turn chestbursts an almost-Xenomorph. With each reproduction the Xenomorph DNA is able to express itself more strongly.

This theory presupposes that the Xenomorphs already existed before the movie takes place, which - let's face it - is a lot more likely than the Xenomorphs being created by a convoluted accident. It also explains things like the Xenomorph mural and the chestbursting holes in the Engineer corpses.

The only thing that doesn't fit is the behavior of the black goo in the opening scene, but as someone already pointed out, perhaps that is not the same black goo?
 
Haven't seen this black goo theory posited yet:

I was thinking back to when Lindelof said something like "this movie shares some DNA with Alien" and it got me thinking. Could an elegant explanation for the black goo be that it is simply Xenomorph DNA? (Perhaps combined with some sort of retrovirus?)

In other words, instead of trying to sort out the black goo "lifecycle" (which seems fruitless and full of contradiction/convolution), perhaps we should look at the events of the movie as various examples of genetic splicing.

Mealworms + Xenomorph DNA = something halfway to a facehugger, for example.

Of course, there is also the usual Xenomorph lifecycle occurring simultaneously. So we get the facehugger-ish squid baby (which comes from an egg, let's not forget - a human egg, but still), which then impregnates the Engineer who in turn chestbursts an almost-Xenomorph. With each reproduction the Xenomorph DNA is able to express itself more strongly.

This theory presupposes that the Xenomorphs already existed before the movie takes place, which - let's face it - is a lot more likely than the Xenomorphs being created by a convoluted accident. It also explains things like the Xenomorph mural and the chestbursting holes in the Engineer corpses.

The only thing that doesn't fit is the behavior of the black goo in the opening scene, but as someone already pointed out, perhaps that is not the same black goo?

Interesting theory, though it doesn't seem to to fit with the movies opening. Engineer+ Alien DNA = Humans? Doesn't quite work.

Unless thats why they wanted to destroy us. We had the predatory nature of xenos or something.

Maybe Man is the true monster!

Ripley: you know, Burke, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage.

Indeed, Ripley, indeed.
 
I felt like I watched a Spielberg movie, especially with the music and the ending.
Still trying to digest... but I wish I didn't expected something like Alien. The beginning with Fassbender acting all stiff felt like I was watching AI... he even called David!



BTW, Stringer Bell > all humans and non-humans. He even banged Charlize Theron! :O
 
Haven't seen this black goo theory posited yet:

I was thinking back to when Lindelof said something like "this movie shares some DNA with Alien" and it got me thinking. Could an elegant explanation for the black goo be that it is simply Xenomorph DNA? (Perhaps combined with some sort of retrovirus?)

In other words, instead of trying to sort out the black goo "lifecycle" (which seems fruitless and full of contradiction/convolution), perhaps we should look at the events of the movie as various examples of genetic splicing.

Mealworms + Xenomorph DNA = something halfway to a facehugger, for example.

Of course, there is also the usual Xenomorph lifecycle occurring simultaneously. So we get the facehugger-ish squid baby (which comes from an egg, let's not forget - a human egg, but still), which then impregnates the Engineer who in turn chestbursts an almost-Xenomorph. With each reproduction the Xenomorph DNA is able to express itself more strongly.

This theory presupposes that the Xenomorphs already existed before the movie takes place, which - let's face it - is a lot more likely than the Xenomorphs being created by a convoluted accident. It also explains things like the Xenomorph mural and the chestbursting holes in the Engineer corpses.

The only thing that doesn't fit is the behavior of the black goo in the opening scene, but as someone already pointed out, perhaps that is not the same black goo?
Variations of this have been posted, and although I don't think you're correct in saying it's Xeno DNA, it probably is some sort of Xenomorph base. The Art of Prometheus basically confirms this, as Fifield was turning into some sort of Xeno creature.
 
Interesting theory, though it doesn't seem to to fit with the movies opening. Engineer+ Alien DNA = Humans? Doesn't quite work.

Unless thats why they wanted to destroy us. We had the predatory nature of xenos or something.

Maybe Man is the true monster!



Indeed, Ripley, indeed.

Or maybe what the engineer digested was not the same black goo as it was in their ship. That wouldn't make sense and it would have turned the engineer to a super aggressive Engineer right?
 
prometheus_infographic.jpg


Nope. That's not convoluted.

Doesn't take into account a lot of factors. Too simplified.

Cool pics though.
 
I dont think they knew much of anything. Remember they planned on putting her in cryo. Lets say everything went as planned, Weylan asks for immortality and the engineers are all like 'lol ok.'
They get back and a giant face hugger is running around the ship.

David said something like, "I'm surprised you had it in you" meaning the she had somehow been initiated into their elite club. He was given the order by Weyland to do more and probably told him she was pregnant.
 
What the fuck are you talking about? Did you understand the post you quoted?

? There has been a ton of discussion about what did David say to the Engineer. Did he say what Weyland told him, did he have his own intentions and say something else? Ridley left it un-subtitled so that we can question this. Where is your confusion


Seriously? We heard it here folks, if David's one line in that one scene had been revealed, we would not be discussing this film.

Who the hell said we wouldn't be discussing the film? I was merely talking about your disapproval at Ridley leaving the subtitle out. Period.
 
So I watched Alien last night. 2 questions.

Why did Ripley try to disarm the bomb? "Oh shit Alien dude and I torched the whole crew, better try to disarm the bombs I set 5 minutes ago." Just didn't understand that.

Was the Alien on her ship at the end injured or something? Either that or he thought that looked like a cozy place to take a nap.

That's all I was wondering about. Other than that it was a great movie and makes a hell of a lot more sense than it did the first time I saw it 20+ years ago.
 
I just saw this for the 2nd time at IMAX. I thought it wouldn't make much of a difference but wow, it did. IMAX makes the film more majestic and grand. I wouldn't recommend watching it for the 1st time on IMAX though since IMAX screen tends to be so huge that you can get lost of the whole picture in exchange of seeing more details. OTOH, if you have seen it once at normal cinemas, you already know the whole pictures so you can now zoom in on the details. And there are a lot of nice things to see in details. I like how being at IMAX makes you feel like you're really inside PROMETHEUS the ship itself.

As for the story itself:

* This time around, I noticed that the trans-mutation substance consumed by the sole Engineers in the beginning is different from the ones found in the cave. There's a beeswax-like texture to this substance and it was stored inside a smaller container. However, that may just be unintentional effect of the CG.

* David was seen consuming food and drinks at the start of the movie, which is amusing because I assume his body doesn't need the nutrient and no one is watching him eating. So I really don't understand why he does it anyway since it doesn't have the purpose of making other humans feel at ease by giving them impression that he's just like them (look at him, he eats like us!)

* Weyland's speech about how Prometheus was cast out from Mount Olympus made me think back to the sole Engineer we saw at the beginning of the movie. IF the movie is not exactly subtle about its allegory then I guess it's safe to say that he's our 'Prometheus'. This is going to go into speculation territory. IF he is our 'Prometheus' then it'd mean that he was cast out into Earth for something that he did. Assuming that the substance was meant to kill him, then it'd also mean that our creation was not intended. We were an accident born from an attempt to abort 'Prometheus' life, so to speak. But again, this is a lot of speculations and it'll depend on two things: that the Engineer meant to die and the substance was indeed meant to kill him but instead seeded his gene into our DNA.

* The whole "We find this cave painting in every past civilizations" suggest to me that the Engineers have paid multiple visits to each separate civilizations. It's impossible otherwise for these civilizations, most of whom have no connection to previous civilizations, to come up with the same drawing. Especially if you know most of these civilizations died/perished before the next big one came up. So my only assumption is that in order for these civilizations to even depict the planet configurations of the Engineers, someone must have shown them that. The only explanation I can come up with is that some Engineers have paid a visit to each past civilization.

* I'm not exactly a geologist/archeologist and I am not very aware of how some of our past civilizations perished. History suggests that it's natural occurrence like lava explosion, tide rising, etc. But WHAT IF, it's the Engineers who terminated each and every past civilizations in the past? Maybe they know that the death of the first Engineer created humanity so they keep a close watch. And every hundreds or so years, they destroy the previous civilization so that we never get to become too powerful. Yeah I know it sounds too much like Mass Effect 3 plot. My bad.

* What if the cave painting was left behind in case they can't get to us in time before our civilizations reach its peak like now when knowledge and technology are in abundance? Maybe it's a way for them to spring a trap for us, which explains them leading us to a military base instead of their homeworld. But then the event of 2000 years ago came into existence. What could this be?

* ASSUMING that this is the event where one Engineer got crucified (aka he's the Space Jesus), then this is the point where they realized how dangerous our species can be. Maybe it's also the point where they realized they can't just wipe us out using normal means. Maybe this is when they start altering the properties of the trans-mutation substance to create the Xenomorph. They were meant to be weapons to destroy us. But before they can use it, the outbreak happened and so on.

* Someone else probably has pointed this one out. But this time around I realized that the chamber where they found the severed head functions more or less like a decontamination chamber. The trans-mutation substance didn't start to leak out of the urns until the door was opened. The Engineer who decapitated his head probably did the decapitation on purpose. Maybe he was infected and the only way to stop the infection was to decapitated his head so that it'll be contained in the decontamination chamber along with the other urns. The question is, what is so different between these urns and the ones seen near the Engineers' control room? If these ones easily leak when the door is opened, why are the ones near in the Engineers' control room are fine when exposed to air?

* Another question following that would be, if the decapitated Engineer ran to the decontamination chamber to stop the infection inside him, then where did he ran away from? Where was the point of the infection? We don't see any other leaking urns in other parts of the cave. Is this the one where there are piles of bodies?

* Fifield and Millburn are still idiots regardless how many times I see this. Fifield for getting lost in the cave that he himself mapped and Millburn for trying to touch a species that he has no knowledge of BUT has a resemblance to a Cobra, which even the dumbest human should have the instinct to stay away from. I can fanwank that Fifield maybe under the influence of drug at that point so he wasn't thinking clearly. But Millburn's survival instinct and rational train of thoughts seem to be lacking.

* I really have no idea how Shaw managed to get into the operating room in Vickers' room without going through Vickers' room in the first place. I saw the sequence clearly and it just shows her going from one corridor to the next and then suddenly she's inside the operating room. It doesn't make sense to me considering we only saw that there's only one way to get into that room the first time around. Not mention the fact that she was stumbling around quite a bit and yet neither Ford (bowl-cut lady) nor Jackson (gruff security guy) manage to catch up to her.

* Shaw basically ripped off the placenta of her baby with her bare hands. I don't know how likely that is since I'm not a doctor or a woman in distress. But I did see the machine close up/cauterized her surgery wounds before stapling her tummy. So at least the machine did a decent job of patching her up. Having said that, you'd think a Biohazard decontamination order on the machine would have triggered some kind of alarm/notification on the ship. I guess not.

* Fifield's original stance before attacking red shirt guy #1 was that of a spider. Since he fell into the puddle So yes, I think his limb was twisted/elongated. Since he was shown falling into the puddle of trans-mutation substance, it supports the theory that the substance does alter the physical body of its target (ie. the worm on the ground, Fifield, and Holloway had Vickers didn't burn him to crisp) into something with Xenomorph-like essence.

* If I have to fanwank it, I'd guess that the reason the sole Engineer in hyper-sleep chamber was still there is because he got into hyper-sleep mode before the outbreak happened. So he had no idea what happened only to be awaken and found what are meant to be their target, standing in front of his eyes.

So why do the Engineers want to kill us. I've already posited several crackpot theories up above but I'll highlight some possibilities (most are probably contradictory to the others):

1. We were never meant to exist. We were an accident from 'Prometheus', who was sent to Earth to die but instead seeded us. So the Engineers watch us and intend on killing us (and maybe have done so every few civilizations). They develop Xeno substance for that purpose.

2. We were intentionally created by them. However, 2000 years ago, we did something to piss them off. Say, we inadvertently killed one of their kind. They went into rage mode and decided to develop a bio-weapon to combat us. That weapon is the trans-mutation substance in the urns as well as some creature they've developed (thus explaining the Xenomorph figure in the altar). But something went wrong on the military base before they went to bomb our planet with the urns.

3. We were created for the purpose of being Xeno's hosts. But in order for that to happen, we'd have to be plentiful and it'd take thousands of years. But then the outbreak happens. I like this theory the least.

I'm still pissed off with the inconsistencies and the lack of observation from the characters. But after the 2nd viewing, I'm quite willing to postpone my criticism about the inconsistencies of the trans-mutation substance as well as the reason for our creation and eventual intent for termination by the Engineers.
 
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