Count Dookkake
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Of course not. They're licensed product.
I am just saying why some people might have had that expectation.
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Of course not. They're licensed product.
I am just saying why some people might have had that expectation.
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Count Dookkake
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I recall a slightly more benevolent appearance, but that appears to be from one of the comics.
symphonask
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They look more menacing with the breathing apparatus.
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Having cut footage of a young Weyland crossed my mind and makes a great deal of sense.
Inserting flashbacks into the sequel doesn't make as much sense. At the same time I wouldn't rule it out.
Yeah, I'm not really saying that there will be no poverty at all. It just doesn't seem realistic that humanity could have the the technology to solve the energy problem associated with efficient long distant space travel, but people still have the same problems with living that they had in the centuries past. As a side note, this is why Firefly is too unrealistic for me. What I'm saying ultimately is that the world seems too unbalanced to be realistic - the space travel capabilities (and for that matter the sentient android) are too overpowered in comparison to the near future realities they exist in.
JoshuaJSlone
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I think she should've already been born while Prometheus was on its trip out.trudderham said:
Bluemercury
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where are more of these concept art images???
Are these it, Dookkake?
To me, it would've been kind of silly if they looked like that in the movie.
They already had the penis snake in the movie, penis noses on the engineers would have been one penis too many.
Confidence Man
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What if that last engineer you wake up and attacks... was alien Jesus' dad.
Confidence Man
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Just a working class alien. Spaceship pilot. Wanted his son to do the same. You have to grow some kind of exoskeleton but the work is steady and the pay is good.
With the whole creator/created thing across the whole movie I thought David infected Holloway in order to create his own form of life in the form of the facehugger and thus prove that he wasn't some dead end. But then he was entirely unconcerned about the fate of the thing after it got cut out.
Count Dookkake
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So, have the Engineers been Rule 34'd yet?
Mr. Luchador
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So tired of damon lindelof's writing - everything is Daddy issues with this guy. Really wouldn't care if anyone involved with LOST didn't produce or write another TV Show/Movie for a long while. Take a rest, please.
As for the movie. Nothing really happened. Characters/Actors were so bland. When I compare this to the original Alien movie where the cast was a mixed bunch of 'trades' it looks even worse.
Also Digital Filming made this look far too clean and far too 'safe'.
Nice little nods here and there to Alien and Aliens and fanboy wishes (I hope Ripley goes to the Alien Homeworld and goes postal/Shaw goes to Engineer's Homeworld). The artwork was perhaps the highlight as those pictures hinted more about the Xenomorphs than anything else.
As for the movie. Nothing really happened. Characters/Actors were so bland. When I compare this to the original Alien movie where the cast was a mixed bunch of 'trades' it looks even worse.
Also Digital Filming made this look far too clean and far too 'safe'.
Nice little nods here and there to Alien and Aliens and fanboy wishes (I hope Ripley goes to the Alien Homeworld and goes postal/Shaw goes to Engineer's Homeworld). The artwork was perhaps the highlight as those pictures hinted more about the Xenomorphs than anything else.
Was it the penis nose or just the bulge in general that got you thinking about this?
Count Dookkake
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Jack Scofield
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Alright, I'll admit I wasn't a fan of the Space Jockey design when the first teaser initially launched, but I've completely changed my mind after watching the movie, and especially after being reminded of this scene.
He's not some creepy crawly monster (thank god) or a space elephant, but Jesus, he's absolutely terrifying in this top pic. Just the thought of something that size chasing you with the sole intent on killing you is horrifying.
Good job, Ridley Scott. You made me a believer.
As my biggest problem with this movie were the characters actions and not the plot "ambiguities", reading all these theories on what might have happened (space Jesus, goo reacting to humans, other religious/mythical references etc) is really interesting.
Why couldn't this movie have given us characters that made ANY FREAKING sense? Might have been a movie for the ages. Maybe.
Why couldn't this movie have given us characters that made ANY FREAKING sense? Might have been a movie for the ages. Maybe.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Just got back from seeing the movie. Have a few questions:
1. The engineers were the first "people" on planet earth or what? If so, did they evolve into the humans we have today?
2. The black goo can cause different scenarios to play out? If you drink it, your body fucks up. If a worm mixes with it, it turns into a giant facehugger-like creature. Then it can rape a human or facehugger and implant the xenomorph/proto-type xenomorph?
4. The xenomorph mural on the wall. It looked like the traditional xenomorphs we all know. So is it implied they've seen one before, or maybe on earth?
Um, that's it I guess. Seems like the movie wasn't as ambiguous as I thought.
EDIT-Scratch off #1. Read on the last page that The spacecraft dropped off an engineer, and he drank the black goo. So when he fell into the water, did the black goo contaminate the water, thus killing whatever primitive humans on earth or what?
1. The engineers were the first "people" on planet earth or what? If so, did they evolve into the humans we have today?
2. The black goo can cause different scenarios to play out? If you drink it, your body fucks up. If a worm mixes with it, it turns into a giant facehugger-like creature. Then it can rape a human or facehugger and implant the xenomorph/proto-type xenomorph?
4. The xenomorph mural on the wall. It looked like the traditional xenomorphs we all know. So is it implied they've seen one before, or maybe on earth?
Um, that's it I guess. Seems like the movie wasn't as ambiguous as I thought.
EDIT-Scratch off #1. Read on the last page that The spacecraft dropped off an engineer, and he drank the black goo. So when he fell into the water, did the black goo contaminate the water, thus killing whatever primitive humans on earth or what?
Alien visitors looking like giant human beings possibly falls in line with Chariots of the Gods' giant visitors (Nephilim IIRC).
There's still the Greek angle. Prometheus is also probably the most famous of the Titans, credited with creating mankind from clay, teaching them science, saving them from Zeus, who wanted to obliterate them and create a new race of man from scratch, and either restoring the use of fire or giving mankind fire. Zeus's act of revenge on mankind was Pandora's box (in the original stories it was a jar).
I haven't figured out a good place to put space Jesus, though.
Mr. Luchador
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1) They terraformed the planet and seeded it with life (this general process was depicted in the first scene, though Scott has said it was not necessarily earth) and went on to guide our evolution and culture.
2) It reacts differently to different people, though the exact workings of this are not spelled out. This widely circulated blog post has the best speculation anyone has come up with:
http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1
That theory is that the goo reacts to your temperament. The Engineer is prepared to sacrifice himself for the sake of creation and his ingestion of the goo spawns the seeds of life. Fitfield is a dick and the goo turns him into a killing machine.
3) The creators have said pretty directly the mural is movie as a tribute to Geiger. The significance beyond that, and the purpose of that room, is unknown though it seems to be a monument to the sacrificial ceremony show in the first scene.
If H.R Giger is involved there are never enough penises.
Speedymanic
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What's going on in the first pic?
we.are.the.armada
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For those that asked for the ship layout. Click to make big.
Hell yes! Thank you!
Ok, where did the "...father!" scene take place? The V or the X room? That bedroom was swank and didn't look like Shaw's at all.
It was supposed to be the DNA bowl but I think that they lost the prop when SJ1 dropped it in the waterfall so they used the green stone instead. I'm no entirely sure :/
Jason's Ultimatum
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Oh, the music reminded me of Superman for some reason. I'm talking about the music played during relevation and findings parts of Prometheus.
"They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be."
"They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be."
Discotheque
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Yeah it kind of did, only it didn't fit in this film for me.
Speedymanic
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Looked to me like ember or something similar, possibly containing the dna of a Xeno/deacon.
It also looked like there was something in the crystal, but we hardly see it so that's something we'll have to wait to check in the BR.
TheJollyCorner
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maaaan... I might have to get this shirt!
I'm sure there will be a scene in the sequel in which we see that facility up and running and the death moment, similar to Live Together Die alone in which we got to see the activities within the Swan Station after we had previously been introduced to it.
I was thinking about the story and came up with an idea about some of it.(might have been said already...I dunno)
The black goo was the engineers playing god. They wanted to create something that could rapidly evolve life forms into more advanced creatures and seed worlds with it. However it was out of their control and started becoming much more deadly than they assumed. It mutated creatures into vicious killing machines like the worms into the weird snake thing, the squid and the xenomorphs(there was one carved in the wall). Possibly showing a more perfected, through still aggressive advancement. Shit got out of control and they were all killed off. The last engineer went into stasis with the last memories of the experiments gone terrible wrong and mutated life forms. He wakes up 2000 years later to see the humans, creatures they made, and he kills them thinking they would be just as dangerous as the ones that were created before then sets off to Earth to try and right the wrongs he and his race did in that lab. So where as the humans were searching for their god, the engineers decided to skip that and go right to becoming gods and failed. Does that make any sense? I'm sick as hell so maybe it just makes sense in my fever dream.
The black goo was the engineers playing god. They wanted to create something that could rapidly evolve life forms into more advanced creatures and seed worlds with it. However it was out of their control and started becoming much more deadly than they assumed. It mutated creatures into vicious killing machines like the worms into the weird snake thing, the squid and the xenomorphs(there was one carved in the wall). Possibly showing a more perfected, through still aggressive advancement. Shit got out of control and they were all killed off. The last engineer went into stasis with the last memories of the experiments gone terrible wrong and mutated life forms. He wakes up 2000 years later to see the humans, creatures they made, and he kills them thinking they would be just as dangerous as the ones that were created before then sets off to Earth to try and right the wrongs he and his race did in that lab. So where as the humans were searching for their god, the engineers decided to skip that and go right to becoming gods and failed. Does that make any sense? I'm sick as hell so maybe it just makes sense in my fever dream.
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The way it seems to me is that the black goo is designed to eventually make one creature in the end. It doesn't matter if it goes thru a worm, human or Engineer, eventually, it will evolve into the intended design. I take it that they have a different type of goo for the Xenomorph than for humans. The movie left a lot of questions, but it alluded to a greater unseen foe the Engineers were running from. The Xenomorphs were a weapon and they might have been looking at using Earth as a breeding ground for them to combat the larger unseen foe that wiped out the Engineers.
I don't think the filmmakers had any idea. It was originally a cup - the same style used in the opening scene. In some early shots the actor is seen looking at the bowl there, which would have made the connection for viewers between the opening scene and that altar. But in the final film they replaced it with a crystal that is never seen before or after. Really odd decision.
Reminds me of the original mutant Fifield, who was mutating into a more recognizable alien form. It seems Scott grew uncomfortable with the number of visual clues for how to connect the dots, and removed some at random late in the story.
Speedymanic
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You're probably right, but I'd much rather they didn't flashback to the facility. I like not knowing exactly what killed all the engineers (was it the goo, a deacon or a combination of both or perhaps mutated worms or perhaps rogue engineers who didn't agree with wiping out humans), adds some mystery to events.
At least the zombie Fifield scene would have served some sort of purpose then - you can remove it from the film and nothing is lacking in its current form.
Speedymanic
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This is probably the reason why the shawhugger looks nothing like the one in the concept art.
A pox on your house, Ridley. A POX!!!!
And also, why David's line to the Engineer was in the screenplay, but not subtitled in the film. The bowl and Fifield mutation would have helped viewers understand the back story better, and David's line perhaps given insight into the Engineer's behavior. But no, can't have that! Would have made too much sense.
pel1300
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I thought the exact same thing...it was distracting.
I wish they didn't play that song so many times. It felt like the soundtrack had only 2 or 3 songs.
The music in general was too loud, overbearing, needs more subtlety.
I was half joking when I posted that.
I am definitely in the camp of wanting ambiguity. I think that's one of the central divisions in those reacting to this in different ways.
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JCreasy
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Most likely someone has shared this interpretation before, but this thread is pretty dense so I'm offering this up anyway to be picked apart.
As I see it, the black goo is in fact a biological weapon invented by the Engineers. It basically achieves genocide by use of a parasite.
When the goo comes in contact with a living organism, it deposits its "eggs" and dies. That's what it's designed to do. But unlike conventional parasites that reduce host fitness, the black goo parasites enhance or "amplify" host fitness. The hosts are mutated, becoming bigger and stronger, until they can find another host to pass the eggs or baby parasites on to. Even their blood is weaponized, becoming acid. These new traits ensure that the host will destroy any competitor that might challenge it's instinct to pollinate and pass along the parasite - it guarantees successful procreation. Once the host pollinates another living organism, it dies.
The second characteristic of these parasites are that their offspring inherit traits of the host organism it occupies at the time. This most likely is designed to add another competitive advantage for the parasitic life form. And that was all great until the parasite grafted an Engineer! Now we have a problem.
Reviewing Hosts
The worms - they were the first organisms we saw impacted. They mutated into that cobra looking thing and took out the guy with glasses. Never got to see its offspring.
Fiefield – he lands face down in black goo when the worm’s acidic blood destroys his helmet. We thought he was dead, until his “corpse” seemingly crabbed walked all the way back to the ship and started taking out everyone. I submit that he was never dead, but simply mutating while laying in the black goo. Characteristic of the parasite, it made him bigger and stronger. His aggression toward his shipmates was a result of his newfound instincts to find another host and pollinate. The men he was fighting were merely "competitors" or "challengers" getting in his way.
Charlie Holloway (the boyfriend) - David spiked his drink with black goo. He lived long enough to "impregnate" Shaw. Once the parasite hitched a ride and successfully found a new host, he started to get sick. At some point he would die, he just asked to be burned before it happened.
My theory is a little shakey from this point on, but bear with it . . .
Shaw – Technically she was a host, but she was a female host. She obviously can’t do any “pollinating” herself. She also manages to remove the parasite before it has a lasting effect on her. Her offspring's extraordinary growth though is congruent with the theory that the parasites make thing grow bigger and stronger. In this case it's her "baby" that's impacted. The offspring was growing big and strong in the locked room, uninterrupted. As soon as it "pollinated" the Engineer, it died, and thus, finally stopped growing.
Engineer – He/she is impregnated by Shaw’s offspring (maybe the gender rules don't apply to the Engineers the way the do to humans). The xenomorph we see at the end is the result of a human parasite hybrid grafting genetic traits of that Engineer. THIS is the problem I was talking about earlier. One of those traits must be extraordinary dexterity – near immortality. This is why xenomorphs are so hard to kill – they share genetric traits of cosmically powerful life forms. This is a dangerous accident. It would also explain why they don’t simply die off once they procreate.
Now, why we saw Xenomophs in the murals, I don’t know. It’s been suggested that maybe at some point an Engineer was infected and maybe that’s how Engineers came to know of them. Remember, something killed almost all the Engineers on that ship thousands of years ago. I think it’s pretty clear that their black goo genocide weapon backfired on them at some point. It’s clear they knew what the black goo was capable of, that’s why they were harvesting it.
Ok that’s all I got.
As I see it, the black goo is in fact a biological weapon invented by the Engineers. It basically achieves genocide by use of a parasite.
When the goo comes in contact with a living organism, it deposits its "eggs" and dies. That's what it's designed to do. But unlike conventional parasites that reduce host fitness, the black goo parasites enhance or "amplify" host fitness. The hosts are mutated, becoming bigger and stronger, until they can find another host to pass the eggs or baby parasites on to. Even their blood is weaponized, becoming acid. These new traits ensure that the host will destroy any competitor that might challenge it's instinct to pollinate and pass along the parasite - it guarantees successful procreation. Once the host pollinates another living organism, it dies.
The second characteristic of these parasites are that their offspring inherit traits of the host organism it occupies at the time. This most likely is designed to add another competitive advantage for the parasitic life form. And that was all great until the parasite grafted an Engineer! Now we have a problem.
Reviewing Hosts
The worms - they were the first organisms we saw impacted. They mutated into that cobra looking thing and took out the guy with glasses. Never got to see its offspring.
Fiefield – he lands face down in black goo when the worm’s acidic blood destroys his helmet. We thought he was dead, until his “corpse” seemingly crabbed walked all the way back to the ship and started taking out everyone. I submit that he was never dead, but simply mutating while laying in the black goo. Characteristic of the parasite, it made him bigger and stronger. His aggression toward his shipmates was a result of his newfound instincts to find another host and pollinate. The men he was fighting were merely "competitors" or "challengers" getting in his way.
Charlie Holloway (the boyfriend) - David spiked his drink with black goo. He lived long enough to "impregnate" Shaw. Once the parasite hitched a ride and successfully found a new host, he started to get sick. At some point he would die, he just asked to be burned before it happened.
My theory is a little shakey from this point on, but bear with it . . .
Shaw – Technically she was a host, but she was a female host. She obviously can’t do any “pollinating” herself. She also manages to remove the parasite before it has a lasting effect on her. Her offspring's extraordinary growth though is congruent with the theory that the parasites make thing grow bigger and stronger. In this case it's her "baby" that's impacted. The offspring was growing big and strong in the locked room, uninterrupted. As soon as it "pollinated" the Engineer, it died, and thus, finally stopped growing.
Engineer – He/she is impregnated by Shaw’s offspring (maybe the gender rules don't apply to the Engineers the way the do to humans). The xenomorph we see at the end is the result of a human parasite hybrid grafting genetic traits of that Engineer. THIS is the problem I was talking about earlier. One of those traits must be extraordinary dexterity – near immortality. This is why xenomorphs are so hard to kill – they share genetric traits of cosmically powerful life forms. This is a dangerous accident. It would also explain why they don’t simply die off once they procreate.
Now, why we saw Xenomophs in the murals, I don’t know. It’s been suggested that maybe at some point an Engineer was infected and maybe that’s how Engineers came to know of them. Remember, something killed almost all the Engineers on that ship thousands of years ago. I think it’s pretty clear that their black goo genocide weapon backfired on them at some point. It’s clear they knew what the black goo was capable of, that’s why they were harvesting it.
Ok that’s all I got.
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