maybe for him? now we're jumping onto how much of a pussy he is compared to how much we'd be scared of that. C'mon.
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maybe for him? now we're jumping onto how much of a pussy he is compared to how much we'd be scared of that. C'mon.
Nappuccino
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I was under the impression that they didn't actually have a visual map in their helmets. So, when they lost connection to the ship, they didn't have a chance.
This doesn't really explain how they got lost in the first place though...
edit: plus he was high on something.
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The ghostly holograms leading them to the body seemed to freak him out. Add to that they were following the holograms, and not his mapping device to get to the shrine room...
SCULLIBUNDO
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What about Holloway? Takes off his helmet because he detects an oxygen-rich atmosphere?
If I recall correctly, this mission cost a TRILLION dollars. These are some dumb motherfuckers getting paid an awful lot of money to be the best crew out there.
Nappuccino
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I think he was supposed to be getting claustrophobic in his suit.
But I cannot tell if it was something that got cut, or if it just wasn't conveyed well.
Didn't he also have claustrophobia. That was the impression I got.
He's a fucking idiot, I wont argue that.
However: I think the intention of the movie is depicting him as a fucking idiot, rather than making him an intelligent likeable character and then just have him do something like that.
He's also gettin paid because he discovered the thing, not necesarelly cause he's the best there is.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Geologist with claustrophobia. Awesome.
Nappuccino
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Yeah- he clearly says some claustrophobic-like things as he's taking it off. But I think there needed to be some build up to make it clear and convincing- that is missing.
Being underground might be totally different than being in a constricting suit. Phobias are weird shit.
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Skeptic!
Trillion credits mang.
And you have idiots on board Nostromo and Aliens attack squad. These movies wouldn't work unless someone fucks up.
Nappuccino
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Actually- it would be amazing if someone wrote a movie where, despite a crews best efforts, shit got fucked up anyway.
(Sunshine is kinda close to this, I guess)
SCULLIBUNDO
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Who is the idiot in Alien and especially Aliens?
In Alien they are space truckers and they act more accordingly with their roles than anybody in Prometheus. This movie needed Ripley to bust some fucking heads in this crew.
reachin time sculli
you either want a boring movie with no character traits were everyone's the best at their job and nothing goes wrong, or you refuse to deal with the fact that meaningless stuff like this is overlooked in order for a movie's plot to go places
furthermore:
why does the Colonel dude shoots a helicopter with his handgun when there were anti-aircraft weapons in their base?
how the fuck would they lose Scully's avatar and dont use any kind of tracking device when the whole operation is super important and cost trillions of dollars?
I dont wanna go down this path mang!
he started!
You're not asking right
There are multiple idiotic problems with Prometheus.
Don't ask for just 1, 1 = an entire cast making stupid mistakes in Prometheus.
I've seen it argued before.
Nappuccino
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Do you really have to ask who the idiot in Aliens is?
Who orders their marines to get rid of their ammo but keep heading into the alien infested reactor?
Then they fire their guns in this nuclear bomb in waiting anyway...
SCULLIBUNDO
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The difference is that Avatar answers those questions no problem.
The Colonel was in Hellsgate aircraft control tower. He only had his sidearm on him and didn't want them to get away. They couldn't track the chopper once they got into the Flux Vortex because of the magnetic fields near the floating mountains. The Avatar was being linked out of the remote facility that they used the Scorpion aircraft to again - move into the flux vortex where they couldn't be tracked.
Yeah, one thing I like about Sunshine's death toll is that their death is usually due something that is out of their control. And most of the time their death has purpose/functions that serves the plot other than to thin down the herd. Most of the crew also die while trying to achieve something important instead of while wandering around like a loser.
SCULLIBUNDO
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They were already in the atmosphere processor when Ripley then realized that where they were currently located was near the core which could rupture with live fire rounds. They were instructed to use flamethrowers only.
The marines ignored this no live fire order only after it was clear that they were being overwhelmed and would die anyway and that Gorman had frozen up.
Nappuccino
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But he's done like 40 some simulated missions!
They always could have retreated, regrouped, re-assessed the situation and returned. Like a rational military group.
How come the flux vortex didnt affect the connection from the human bodies to the avatars? were they all in a remote facility? I cant even remember. Why dont just do the whole operation from there, then?
more importantly: if they had the technology to avoid that issue, why not use it on all their tracking devices/military equipment?
this feels dumb btw
SCULLIBUNDO
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Ripley urged Gorman to retreat because he didn't believe there was any threat that couldn't be handled by flamethrowers - as had been done with the chestburster from the colonist. Then when it became clear that he did need to order a retreat it was already too late since they were getting signals all around them and he was losing men left and right and froze up.
This isn't nearly the same thing.
Nappuccino
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It's still idiotic, which is all you asked for.
The movie makes it clear that the military brass saw the program as a joke, and at that point in time, the entire thing was more or less a breadcrumb for the science division, likely for commercial and publicity reasons.
I dont see why they would have bothered going through all that by then, at that point, whatever expedited the death of the program would have been more than welcomed honestly.
SCULLIBUNDO
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This is getting very dumb. Thanks Lindelof.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Going billions of miles to an alien world would tax even the most competent of people, the characters are only so dumb because it's a crutch for shitty writers.
The fact that the 'best of the best' seemed like people who could end up suffocating themselves while attempting to tie their shoelaces was one of the main things pulling me out of the film.
so the same argument one could make about why no one on Prometheus gave a shit about the crew after they found what they were looking for according to their secret agenda
I dont really agree. Going by this logic there's barely any good writers at anything in any media.
I never fancied that "pfffffft why would he do that? If I was in that situation I would have done this and this" kind of thinking. There's a difference between complaining about completely broken things and just giving the movie some leavarage for the plot to reach its intended purpose.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Sunshine disproves this line of thinking.
Spotless Mind
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This thread just keeps going around in circles. It's hilarious.
oh god now you're gonna make me try to remember specific things about Sunshine arent you
btw, so my previous Avatar post had no arguable factors? Im surprising myself at how much I can remember from that shitty film if I try to
SCULLIBUNDO
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You're not getting it at all. It's not 'Why didn't anybody give a shit about the crew in the midst of all these batshit crazy shenanigans?', it's 'Why doesn't the crew give a shit about any of these batshit crazy shenanigans?'
Almost all of the crew of Prometheus are robots in the service of moving the plot forward as lazily as possible in the most incoherent and contradictory manner possible.
oh god now you're gonna make me try to remember specific things about Sunshine arent you
btw, so my previous Avatar post had no arguable factors? Im surprising myself at how much I can remember from that shitty film if I try to
No.
Think we covered this between zoukka's post and mine
the one about the vortex? go on then!
SCULLIBUNDO
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It wasn't' covered at all. I'm talking about character motivations that make zero sense.
The flux vortex was shown time and time again to mess up all navigation instruments to the point of being untraceable. It doesn't mess up all electronics, just navigational tools for some reason I couldn't be bothered researching into.
It is the reason Trudy says she's flying blind in the flux because it messes up her instruments. It's the same reason Jake says that Quaritch's troops will have to fire line-of-sight because no tracking equipment will work if they engage them in the flux.
If you really want to find the answer you're looking for, I'll point you to here: http://www.pandorapedia.com/
See Zoukka's post about why she didnt tell Idris Elba about baby alien, that seemed to be one of your major complaints
SO I WIN
(I know about the vortex and what it does, im just saying that it dont make sense for them to not build their navigational/tracking tools around the technology that makes a wireless link to avatars since that doesnt seem to be affected)
SCULLIBUNDO
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Because it distorts, rather than shuts down tools? How is that a win? It's an explanation.
I edited with what I meant
also hint: im messing with you with the "win" thing
why so serious sculli
SCULLIBUNDO
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Trying to argue the finer logical points of Prometheus is just silly. I really just don't wish to waste any more time on it. I feel like I'm putting more effort into explaining how illogical the characters are than Lindelof put into writing them.
Nappuccino
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No way. Alien has the best acting; hell, half of it is improvised method acting due to jealousies and disagreements by the actors on set.
Alien 3 was a step back in the right direction, for the most part (subdued "realistic" acting... well, minus the final confrontation with Bishop II which was silly)
SCULLIBUNDO
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Because the avatar links have no tracking tools. When Jake gets lost in the jungle the first time, they lose him and have to search from the air above with binoculars. They don't know where the avatars are. The links just monitor the vitals of the human drivers lying in them when the Avatars are out and about.
.. but how do the avatar links work? how is the human mind connected to the avatar body?
doesn it work through wireless connections? you can use that as a tracking tool
Like I said, You asked wrong.
People try to equate 1 error in Alien & ALiens to an entire film full of them in Prometheus.
what? his "..think of all we can learn from it. Its a chance of a lifetime!" monologue? im too much of a Henrikson fan to pick that apart.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Can you? Are you really now asking for the finer technological understandings of a psionic link one hundred and fifty years from now? The point is that the film goes to more than enough effort to establish the parameters as to how something in that universe works and the characters all act logically within those parameters.
aint nobody eva gave me muffin!
I agree. Prometheus's own characters didn't react to the story going on around them. The audience never had a chance.
Yes you can
I find it hard to believe that you can connect a mind to another body through a signal but you cant even track that signal. Unless wireless connections get worse in the future, I just dont see it.
It has nothing to do with why I hate Avatar, but well we got carried away
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