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Scullibundo said:
What military superior? He was under the supervision of the scientists and they reacted accordingly - yelling that he needed to be sedated and restrained right away. It was shown very clearly that Quaritch and the others didn't give a shit what the scientists were really doing. They viewed them as 'a bad joke.'
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He used to be a marine. Marines are built to take orders. That is pretty much what basic training does to your psyche. But, he wasn't taking them.

If one was there (this is a hypothetical), a military superior would flip shit.
 
SalsaShark said:
- She's heavily drugged and constantly pumping up more drugs onto her body
- They already dropped the idea of the goo doing anything good (probably the reason why Weyland asked David to get a sample and use it as poison; to see if it could be of benefit to dying weyland) so they literally dont give a crap about Shaw anymore. She used the med thing? good for her, whatevs (basically what David says).
- No one gives a shit about the crew beyond accomplishing what they intended to do, wich is for Weyland to meet engineer dude.
- She decides to follow them just out of Engineer curiosity and because that's what her boyfriend would have wanted her to do
- Everyone's just too close to their intended destination that everything else is just background noise at this point

I could keep going.. not saying any of this is legit, but rather that im applying the same logic you're applying to disqualify my Avatar mistake, wich is assuming things and going out of your way beyond what the movie shows in order to understand why what happened there happened.
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No. Trudy's flight status being revoked is hinted at. When she starts up her Sampson, Quaritch is only alerted to what they're doing because the nav woman at base operations alerts him that there has been an unauthorized engine start.

I'm talking about leaps in character logic. Why didn't Shaw alert Idris Elba's character about the foreign alien just pulled from her stomach when he literally just explained in explicit detail that he can't have any of it on the ship. There is an alien on the ship and he is telling her explicitly that he can't have alien shit on the ship. She just nods and says nothing. What the fuck is going on? And I'm pretty sure the crew that she knocked out would have some sort - any sort of reaction to what the fuck just happened to them. There is nothing. It is a little more than peculiar.


Nappuccino said:
He used to be a marine. Marines are built to take orders. That is pretty much what basic training does to your psyche. But, he wasn't taking them.

If one was there (this is a hypothetical), a military superior would flip shit.
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Marines are built to take orders from officers - not scientists trying to get him to focus on his motor senses when he's just walked for the first time in a decade and doesn't want to be put out. I'm not saying the scene is great, just that it isn't contradictory in the slightest. They try to sedate him and put him out because he isn't listening to them. He gets past them in his fervor of walking again.
 
I wanted to like it, really did. Super hyped. It's like I loved it and disliked it at the same time. Visuals absolutely amazing, especially in the 3D. The overall story is really cool and grand, but the script and the actors was actually cringe worthy at times....Let me say this....
I blame Lindelof
 
Scullibundo said:
Marines are built to take orders from officers - not scientists trying to get him to focus on his motor senses when he's just walked for the first time in a decade and doesn't want to be put out. I'm not saying the scene is great, just that it isn't contradictory in the slightest. They try to sedate him and put him out because he isn't listening to them. He gets past them in his fervor of walking again.
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I guess I feel like, in that case, the scientists are supposed to be his superiors and Sully doesn't show any disdain for them (in fact, it is the other way around). You'd think he'd want to prove himself by being responsible and good at taking orders (like he is trained to do) instead of acting like a 5 year old that just took all the cookies from the cookie jar.

I don't know- like i said, it isn't super blatant, but my brain still hates this scene for that reason.
 
Can we just agree Cameron and Scott's returns to sci-fi was completely overhyped? Both movies went over like a lead balloon, geek reception-wise.

Who's the next "awesome sci-fi director from decades ago who's mostly stayed away from it but may return in the near future" guy?
 
Nappuccino said:
I guess I feel like, in that case, the scientists are supposed to be his superiors and Sully doesn't show any disdain for them (in fact, it is the other way around). You'd think he'd want to prove himself by being responsible and good at taking orders (like he is trained to do) instead of acting like a 5 year old that just took all the cookies from the cookie jar.

I don't know- like i said, it isn't super blatant, but my brain still hates this scene for that reason.
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Yeah. You can dislike the scene, but it isn't going against his character at all. He's shown many times to be brash and encouragable. Him walking when he thought he would never walk again and not wanting to sit back down is understandable, even if it's obnoxious.


Andrex said:
Can we just agree Cameron and Scott's returns to sci-fi was completely overhyped? Both movies went over like a lead balloon, geek reception-wise.

Who's the next "awesome sci-fi director from decades ago who's mostly stayed away from it but may return in the near future" guy?
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I don't agree at all. Avatar delivered for the most part and I had every right to be disappointed with the amount of hype I had going in.
 
Andrex said:
Can we just agree Cameron and Scott's returns to sci-fi was completely overhyped? Both movies went over like a lead balloon, geek reception-wise.

Who's the next "awesome sci-fi director from decades ago who's mostly stayed away from it but may return in the near future" guy?
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Geek reception is just about the least important thing any filmmaker should care about
 
Scullibundo said:
Yeah. You can dislike the scene, but it isn't going against his character at all. He's shown many times to be brash and encouragable. Him walking when he thought he would never walk again and not wanting to sit back down is understandable, even if it's obnoxious.
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I guess my point is that his character seems contradictory to his background. That was just the first example that came to mind. It's a much easier character attribute to swallow at other parts of the movie though.
 
jett said:
They created humans, not all life. Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows. Good lawd this movie.
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Given humans and other apes demonstrably descended from lower life forms, this isn't really possible. If the suggestion is they created all life then DNA has magic that makes it work towards something (which they could "explain" with ambiguous handwaving). If the suggestion is they created humans then they pretty much have to explain away evolution, account for the origin of all other life, and why Engineer and human DNA is virtually identical to that of other primates.

At a guess, the writers either knew so little about DNA and evolution that they failed to recognise they had to explain or account for anything, or they just assumed their audience is stupid and wouldn't pick up on such a glaring inconsistency. My hunch is it is the former given Hollywood's propensity to film scripts written by people who don't know what they are talking about e.g. "I'll hack the CIA mainframe by rerouting the serial ports and injecting a virus I'll write in the next 30 seconds on this computer that for some reason has 7 screens and only a keyboard interface".
 
Scullibundo said:
No. Trudy's flight status being revoked is hinted at. When she starts up her Sampson, Quaritch is only alerted to what they're doing because the nav woman at base operations alerts him that there has been an unauthorized engine start.

I'm talking about leaps in character logic. Why didn't Shaw alert Idris Elba's character about the foreign alien just pulled from her stomach when he literally just explained in explicit detail that he can't have any of it on the ship. There is an alien on the ship and he is telling her explicitly that he can't have alien shit on the ship. She just nods and says nothing. What the fuck is going on? And I'm pretty sure the crew that she knocked out would have some sort - any sort of reaction to what the fuck just happened to them. There is nothing. It is a little more than peculiar.
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I saw Avatar once and I barely remember most of it, so i'll give you this one.

Even then, saying that Shaw is heavily drugged and hurt/only driven to end the whole thing and getting her answers is enough for me to see why she would fail to tell Idris Elba that, and that everyone else is basically focusing on doing their mission and dont care about Shaw for something else than doing what she was supposed so do (going along with her just in case). If it aint enough for you I totally get that and it's fine, it just never personally bothered me to that degree.

I still dont buy the Michelle Rodriguez thing either, I see it as a very clear excuse to move the plot forward.



And again: im not complaining about either, nor im trying to justify the Prometheus ones, im just saying there are issues with both films. Beyond these I still really liked Prometheus and think Avatar is a piece of crap :p
 
Maybe the black goo acts on other building blocks of life and works towards convergent evolution. It almost forces it upon the eventual path to human beings.
 
I consider myself to have decent taste in movies and really enjoyed both Avatar and Prometheus.

I just didnt notice any plot holes in Prometheus I guess.
 
Scullibundo said:
Maybe the black goo acts on other building blocks of life and works towards convergent evolution. It almost forces it upon the eventual path to human beings.
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That's pretty much the only explanation that works elegantly (even if you have to evoke magic).
 
Scullibundo said:
Maybe the black goo acts on other building blocks of life and works towards convergent evolution. It almost forces it upon the eventual path to human beings.
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Black goo = nanomachines.

They evolved into a collective consciousness interconnected with all giving things. The black goo is God.
 
Mario said:
That's pretty much the only explanation that works elegantly (even if you have to evoke magic).
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or that sin theory

or that the black goo acts upon human interactions. Engineers were pissed at humans back then so the thing killed them, Millburn and Fifield were scared shitless and acting nerviously in fear so the goo attacked them and as they got violent towards it it started to attack them even more.

or whatever, it really aint a plot hole but an unexplored aspect of the world, it's there to serve a purpose and it does
 
Yeah the Wachowski's have the poor reception of the two Matrix sequels working again... and Ninja Assassion didn't do too well either. However in this instance, geek cred may come in handy since Speed Racer was panned by critics but is like a cult classic...

Actually in this instance, it's like the Wachowski's don't have anything to lose, so expectations will be far far lower than Cameron or Scott, so Jupiter Ascending may actually turn out OK. Who knows though, could end up being the third strike against this kind of thing.
 
SalsaShark said:
or that sin theory

or that the black goo acts upon human interactions. Engineers were pissed at humans back then so the thing killed them, Millburn and Fifield were scared shitless and acting nerviously in fear so the goo attacked them and as they got violent towards it it started to attack them even more.

or whatever, it really aint a plot hole but an unexplored aspect of the world, it's there to serve a purpose and it does
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Or the Engineers really didn't create humans (or life) at all and people are interpreting that scene completely wrong.
 
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Just got back from seeing it. Beforehand the only thing I had ever seen or read about the movie was the trailer.

I thought it was really good and the 3D was phenomenal. Up there with Avatar and Hugo.

There was a lot of stuff that wasn't explained but I don't need movies to explain everything like they're talking to children. It made from some good discussion afterward with my girlfriend. Can't wait for the sequel!

PS - Dear Ridley Scott, please make more 3D movies.
 
First I would like to say that the movie was good, I liked it.

no to my complaints.

1. Characters, got a lot of complaints but here are the biggest ones. Shaws hunk to a boyfriend, the way he just started to be an ass towards David was so out of place. this dude is a researcher and probably a nerd of the first degree. I just felt that this character took a 180.

2. Some of the prometheus crew. Okey so Weyland invest billions on this mission and he hires a crazy guy with tattos on his head? I have a feeling that if money where spent on something like this it would look more like a trip that we see today with NASA. calm and intelligent people.

3. towards the end scene with the captain just decides that he can die without any problems.. seriously.

To everyone that is asking why this film was not on the original Alien planet, why are you asking this question? it is so obvious that there is a sequel coming and that it will feature shaw and David flying one of those space crafts back home but something goes wrong and they all crash on the original alien planet. have Ridley Scott said anything about a sequel?
 
Scullibundo said:
Can somebody also please tell me what Shaw is a doctor of?

Is she an archaeologist or a medical scientist?
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she's an archaeologist

but at the end of the day: who cares, she's an enthusiast in science

if you're gonna pull a "how did she know how to use the med thing" ill kill you
 
SalsaShark said:
but at the end of the day: who cares
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Exactly the reaction I have when anything happens to these characters.

I really hate discussing this movie because it makes it seem like I hate it. I liked the movie enough to see it a second time, yet the more I talk about it, the more I dislike it.

Edit - Just saw your edit. No, I was going to pull the 'Why is she the one comparing the DNA'
 
Scullibundo said:
Edit - Just saw your edit. No, I was going to pull the 'Why is she the one comparing the DNA'
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well, arguably cause she and boyfriend dude were the leads in the mission, and there were other people there during the DNA comparison. She clearly knows her shit beyond bones.
 
People would prefer JC to make this film? Nah. It would have been a by the numbers action film then. Slick, well produced, and soulless. At least this way we got some nice vistas, and some interesting characters (even if they were wasted).
 
Dead Man said:
People would prefer JC to make this film? Nah. It would have been a by the numbers action film then. Slick, well produced, and soulless. At least this way we got some nice vistas, and some interesting characters (even if they were wasted).
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Avatar's characters weren't soulless. But you are right in that Prometheus' characters were 'interesting.'
 
gonna have a crack at these just for fun since I see explanations for them at first glance:

robertsan21 said:
1. Characters, got a lot of complaints but here are the biggest ones. Shaws hunk to a boyfriend, the way he just started to be an ass towards David was so out of place. this dude is a researcher and probably a nerd of the first degree. I just felt that this character took a 180.

2. Some of the prometheus crew. Okey so Weyland invest billions on this mission and he hires a crazy guy with tattos on his head? I have a feeling that if money where spent on something like this it would look more like a trip that we see today with NASA. calm and intelligent people.

3. towards the end scene with the captain just decides that he can die without any problems.. seriously.
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1. Dude was an asshole who leaped before thinking since the beggining. He was an ass towards David but David was a robot. Characters reacting differently towards Robots based on the fact that they dont have human emotion is expectable, and also turns out to be a theme of the movie with the whole David/Holloway interaction ("how would you feel if your makers told you that about why they created you" blabla)

2. Tattoos in head = bad at his job? usual wacko character that is a sociopath but very good at his line of work.

3. He's been asleep 2 years in order to be there, he clearly is as passionate about doing that as much as anyone else even though he wont admit it. He's also saving planet earth by doing what he does. Shaw does all that's needed to do for the audience here with their interaction.
 
Dead Man said:
People would prefer JC to make this film? Nah. It would have been a by the numbers action film then. Slick, well produced, and soulless. At least this way we got some nice vistas, and some interesting characters (even if they were wasted).
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I think everyone agrees the Sunshine crew should have made this film.
 
Neverfade said:
Bone doctor.

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Aside from her being beat up there, she made sure mine had a clean bill of health.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0839773/ Less beat up, more naked. Also not very sexy though, context ruins it.

Loofy said:
I think everyone agrees the Sunshine crew should have made this film.
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Still would have been a great start and a terrible end :)

Scullibundo said:
Avatar's characters weren't soulless. But you are right in that Prometheus' characters were 'interesting.'
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I've only watched half of Avatar, and his characters in Aliens were awesome, if cliched. But other than that? Meh.
 
Scullibundo said:
Exactly the reaction I have when anything happens to these characters.

I really hate discussing this movie because it makes it seem like I hate it. I liked the movie enough to see it a second time, yet the more I talk about it, the more I dislike it.

Edit - Just saw your edit. No, I was going to pull the 'Why is she the one comparing the DNA'
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That oddly hasn't happened with me. I recognize more and more of its faults, but my enjoyment level is about the same, unlike some other movies
 
Scullibundo said:
I'm talking about leaps in character logic. Why didn't Shaw alert Idris Elba's character about the foreign alien just pulled from her stomach when he literally just explained in explicit detail that he can't have any of it on the ship. There is an alien on the ship and he is telling her explicitly that he can't have alien shit on the ship. She just nods and says nothing. What the fuck is going on? And I'm pretty sure the crew that she knocked out would have some sort - any sort of reaction to what the fuck just happened to them. There is nothing. It is a little more than peculiar.
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I don't think it's anything abnormal to not speak about AN ALIEN FETUS just removed from you. Even if she clearly liked Cap'n more than the rest of the crew you are still exposing yourself to potential quarantine/looneyville treatment. She wouldn't risk any of that.
 
zoukka said:
I don't think it's anything abnormal to not speak about AN ALIEN FETUS just removed from you. Even if she clearly liked Cap'n more than the rest of the crew you are still exposing yourself to potential quarantine/looneyville treatment. She wouldn't risk any of that.
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Makes sense, didnt really thought about it that way.
 
Scullibundo said:
Avatar's characters weren't soulless. But you are right in that Prometheus' characters were 'interesting.'
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Dude, I would just love to see another Cameron sci-fi action flick in general, and if we get another sci-fi horror action flick from him, especially one in the Aliens universe, I'll jizz my pants. Lord knows, a man who averages like a bit more than 1-2 movies per decade is excruciating to wait.

Bring on Prometheueses!
 
SalsaShark said:
gonna have a crack at these just for fun since I see explanations for them at first glance:



2. Tattoos in head = bad at his job? usual wacko character that is a sociopath but very good at his line of work.
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So good at his job that he gets lost when he's the one mapping the caves since he has a live feed of the pups' progress. People seem to forget that he's the one that lead the others to the shrine room because that is the direction he read the pups having stopped at.
 
Scullibundo said:
So good at his job that he gets lost when he's the one mapping the caves.
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he's obviously a pussy that becomes a mess under pressure, but hey, im sure they brought him over because he knew his shit and had cool gadgets

they also get lost because of this only for a bit after bailing, afterwards they just stay there waiting for the next day since the crew was busy trackin Shaw and importantdudes and trying to get them out

poor weirdos
 
Loofy said:
I think everyone agrees the Sunshine crew should have made this film.
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Oh bloody YES!! I mean they clearly have the writing chops and since they also like to insert monster in their story, then this film would have been a perfect fit for them.

On that note, the action of the characters in this film can be sooo infuriating at times:

Shaw - Oh, we're on archelogical expedition on a planet we never set foot before but let's not bother carrying weapons.
Holloway - Stupid is as stupid does. Opening his helmet without even considering that maybe there are dangerous organism on air that his equipment can't detect.
Fifield - Smoking pot on the job. Real professional and then got lost because he wanted to go back first despite mapping the place himself. Idiot.
Millburn - Oh hey there, I always have a hard-on for phallic object, why don't you violate my mouth you little widdle snake?
 
zoukka said:
I don't think it's anything abnormal to not speak about AN ALIEN FETUS just removed from you. Even if she clearly liked Cap'n more than the rest of the crew you are still exposing yourself to potential quarantine/looneyville treatment. She wouldn't risk any of that.
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And, at that point, her sole interest was in meeting the last engineer and trying to get answers.

As you said, telling anyone might have put that in jeopardy.
 
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