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vas_a_morir
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Had sex with Charlize Theron. Explains why he didn't give a fuck about dying.
They turned the space jockey face into a helmet. Guess the Predator mistakengly had an engineer helmet alongside a bunch of skulls in its trophy room....
....yea I know they're not supposed to be related.
No they can be related, the Weyland Corp is involved in Predator 2. Not to mention the Predators were around during the time of Mayans and all of the other races that were mentioned in Prometheus that the Creators/SJs Starmaps were found.
BertramCooper
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Femmeworth
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One of the writers for this worked on Cowboys & Aliens? Well that explains everything.
What.
BertramCooper
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Her medpod was configured for a man.
Weyland makes a comment about David being the closest thing he has to a son.
COINCIDENCE?????????????
Probably. And the medpod could have been configured for her dad. Just a theory I read on some random board a minute ago.
THIIIIIS. Any why the hell is Pierce playing him complete with shitty makeup/CGI? Did we suddenly lose the bevy of awesome elderly actors we keep stashed in Hollywoodville?
33-Hit-Combo
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Was that not obvious?? Guy theory could be a good one too though in fairness.
BertramCooper
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Misusing Guy Pearce should be a felony.
My guess was there was a crack in the helmet and she grabbed a new one.
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Just saw the movie.
Amazing visually, terrible script. It was fun to watch, but it makes no fucking sense and the attempts to link it to Alien are way too force.
1- Wayland having gone all the way there was quite dumb, it was not necessary, but it could have been alright if at least it served some purpose. It didn't. He shows up, gets punched in the face, dies. Stupid.
2- David infecting the dude scientist was pointless, him dying would have served no point, same thing with the girl getting pregnant with the alien. In fact David was being WAY too careless overall, manipulating all sorts of crazy biological material, for no apparent reason whatsoever, other than to make us understand that he's dangerous. The whole infecting thing was pointless.
3- The part where the Scottish or Irish or whatever dude comes back as a crazy super-human was also completely useless, ESPECIALLY since the dude scientists had already died. If it happened BEFORE it would have been fine, because it would have given us a glimpse of what would happen to the other dude if they don't kill him, but no. Pointless.
4- Why did the aliens direct humans to go visit a planet that is basically just a military installation? And considering the fact that the planet has multiple spaceships that can apparently easily make their way to Earth, why even lure the humans at all? The aliens could have driven themselves there easily.
5- The stupid mutation of the thing that eventually becomes the xenomorph was again completely pointless. Not only does it just bring up more questions, the xenomorph CG was bad and looked silly.
6- The two guys going back in the head room only to start tickling a weird ass lifeform after being shit scared of a life signal elsewhere was stupid.
I could go on but basically the overall plot is just bad. It was still "a fun ride", but that's what I hoped it would not be, a "ride". It didn't have the whit or subtly it should have had.
I think it should have gone like this:
1- First part is fine as is. They get to the room with the giant head and the jar. All of this happens as it did. They figure what language the aliens speak (something similar to an old human language or some such).
2- David should have scanned the jar he brought back, and would have discovered a face huger in it. At that point David would have "understood" the significance of the murals, understanding that the creature in there is a weapon of some sort. He doesn't tell anyone of course. This would skip the stupid mutation-of-a-mutation-mutation-xenomorph half-assed explanation. The xenomorph exists already, it's a weapon, period.
3- From here on, the team should have gone back to save the two other dudes lost in the base-thing, after life forms were detected. Some action potential against creatures from the planet itself that would have infested the base naturally, ideally with flame-throwers.
4- They stumble on the sleeping-gods room. David wakes up Wayland (who should have been able to move easily thanks to a good exo-skeleton, not the crap he has in the movie), and they go with some body guards into the thing to meet the gods.
5- David arrives with Wayland and co., wakes up the gods, communicates with them. They are dying, they have been waiting for humans to come to them. The gods can tell David is not human, can read his mind (like he could read the dreams using tech), and they know he would like to wipe out humans using the xenomorphs. This just happens to be exactly their plans: to punish mankind for having advanced enough to spread through the galaxy. This is the purpose of leading them to this planet: to send them back home with parasites that would "eat mankind" enough to bring them back to the stone-age. Of course no one is told of this, only David knows. The humans are told to bring one of the gods with them to Earth, that this would start a new phase for mankind. Wayland is happy, he got what he wanted (in a way making himself almost a sort of high-priest, the man who brought "god" or "the fire" to mankind). The god's alien ship (not the huge thing from the movie, something smaller, entirely-organic), connects to the Prometheus, to carry the god back to Earth while the crew is in the Prometheus.
6- As they are about to leave back for Earth the ship detects an alien life-form in the Prometheus: Wayland has an alien inside himself. David had him infected with the face-huger, thinking if anyone would make his way back to Earth it would be Wayland. Wayland's chest bursts a la Alien (figuratively punished for "stealing the fire"), creature runs away, everyone freaks out. David didn't know it would burst so soon, and tought going in the sleeping pod would keep the alien inside during the trip.
7- Panic takes over and people chase the alien creature and kill it. People wonder wtf was that, and after a scan they realize it has similar DNA to the god. Believe it's a trap, everyone freaks out, David is going rogue. The crew want to ditch the alien ship, but it's organic, it has attached like a parasite to the Prometheus. The crew arms up, say they have to go in the alien ship and blow it up, risking destroying Prometheus but saving Earth. They go in. They start flamethrowing jars, face hugers jump out, get burned, etc. When they make it to the room of the god, the fucker has started to mutate and is transforming into a FUCKING ALIEN QUEEN. Most of the crew gets slaughtered, big fight against the queen and David, eventually the queen is killed and then David gets killed as he tries to get face-hugged to carry the parasite himself back to Earth (ties to the opening of the movie nicely).
8- Prometheus is heavily damaged from the parasite, has almost become an alien entity itself. Hero tries to have the ship send a warning signal out, unsure if it will work (transmission becomes partly alienized, is the warning transmission from Alien 1). Hero gets into the private escape pod, leaves, Prometheus blows up and destroys the ship.
The End
Yeah, fan-fic, but I think it would have fit nicely with the Prometheus myth on multiple levels, and would tie more appropriately with Alien 1.
Amazing visually, terrible script. It was fun to watch, but it makes no fucking sense and the attempts to link it to Alien are way too force.
1- Wayland having gone all the way there was quite dumb, it was not necessary, but it could have been alright if at least it served some purpose. It didn't. He shows up, gets punched in the face, dies. Stupid.
2- David infecting the dude scientist was pointless, him dying would have served no point, same thing with the girl getting pregnant with the alien. In fact David was being WAY too careless overall, manipulating all sorts of crazy biological material, for no apparent reason whatsoever, other than to make us understand that he's dangerous. The whole infecting thing was pointless.
3- The part where the Scottish or Irish or whatever dude comes back as a crazy super-human was also completely useless, ESPECIALLY since the dude scientists had already died. If it happened BEFORE it would have been fine, because it would have given us a glimpse of what would happen to the other dude if they don't kill him, but no. Pointless.
4- Why did the aliens direct humans to go visit a planet that is basically just a military installation? And considering the fact that the planet has multiple spaceships that can apparently easily make their way to Earth, why even lure the humans at all? The aliens could have driven themselves there easily.
5- The stupid mutation of the thing that eventually becomes the xenomorph was again completely pointless. Not only does it just bring up more questions, the xenomorph CG was bad and looked silly.
6- The two guys going back in the head room only to start tickling a weird ass lifeform after being shit scared of a life signal elsewhere was stupid.
I could go on but basically the overall plot is just bad. It was still "a fun ride", but that's what I hoped it would not be, a "ride". It didn't have the whit or subtly it should have had.
I think it should have gone like this:
1- First part is fine as is. They get to the room with the giant head and the jar. All of this happens as it did. They figure what language the aliens speak (something similar to an old human language or some such).
2- David should have scanned the jar he brought back, and would have discovered a face huger in it. At that point David would have "understood" the significance of the murals, understanding that the creature in there is a weapon of some sort. He doesn't tell anyone of course. This would skip the stupid mutation-of-a-mutation-mutation-xenomorph half-assed explanation. The xenomorph exists already, it's a weapon, period.
3- From here on, the team should have gone back to save the two other dudes lost in the base-thing, after life forms were detected. Some action potential against creatures from the planet itself that would have infested the base naturally, ideally with flame-throwers.
4- They stumble on the sleeping-gods room. David wakes up Wayland (who should have been able to move easily thanks to a good exo-skeleton, not the crap he has in the movie), and they go with some body guards into the thing to meet the gods.
5- David arrives with Wayland and co., wakes up the gods, communicates with them. They are dying, they have been waiting for humans to come to them. The gods can tell David is not human, can read his mind (like he could read the dreams using tech), and they know he would like to wipe out humans using the xenomorphs. This just happens to be exactly their plans: to punish mankind for having advanced enough to spread through the galaxy. This is the purpose of leading them to this planet: to send them back home with parasites that would "eat mankind" enough to bring them back to the stone-age. Of course no one is told of this, only David knows. The humans are told to bring one of the gods with them to Earth, that this would start a new phase for mankind. Wayland is happy, he got what he wanted (in a way making himself almost a sort of high-priest, the man who brought "god" or "the fire" to mankind). The god's alien ship (not the huge thing from the movie, something smaller, entirely-organic), connects to the Prometheus, to carry the god back to Earth while the crew is in the Prometheus.
6- As they are about to leave back for Earth the ship detects an alien life-form in the Prometheus: Wayland has an alien inside himself. David had him infected with the face-huger, thinking if anyone would make his way back to Earth it would be Wayland. Wayland's chest bursts a la Alien (figuratively punished for "stealing the fire"), creature runs away, everyone freaks out. David didn't know it would burst so soon, and tought going in the sleeping pod would keep the alien inside during the trip.
7- Panic takes over and people chase the alien creature and kill it. People wonder wtf was that, and after a scan they realize it has similar DNA to the god. Believe it's a trap, everyone freaks out, David is going rogue. The crew want to ditch the alien ship, but it's organic, it has attached like a parasite to the Prometheus. The crew arms up, say they have to go in the alien ship and blow it up, risking destroying Prometheus but saving Earth. They go in. They start flamethrowing jars, face hugers jump out, get burned, etc. When they make it to the room of the god, the fucker has started to mutate and is transforming into a FUCKING ALIEN QUEEN. Most of the crew gets slaughtered, big fight against the queen and David, eventually the queen is killed and then David gets killed as he tries to get face-hugged to carry the parasite himself back to Earth (ties to the opening of the movie nicely).
8- Prometheus is heavily damaged from the parasite, has almost become an alien entity itself. Hero tries to have the ship send a warning signal out, unsure if it will work (transmission becomes partly alienized, is the warning transmission from Alien 1). Hero gets into the private escape pod, leaves, Prometheus blows up and destroys the ship.
The End
Yeah, fan-fic, but I think it would have fit nicely with the Prometheus myth on multiple levels, and would tie more appropriately with Alien 1.
You missed a lot of good stuff.
Shows an earth like planet and it's landscape.
Then onto a waterfall on said planet.
A giant saucer is looming over this waterfall.
A robed man walks up to the waterfall and took off his robe. This is the space jockey.
Then the saucer ship leaves the planet.
The Space Jockey eats the black goo and he gets disintegrated at the molecular/DNA level and he falls into the waterfall along with the stripped DNA which seems to rebind itself in the water and new cells form and multiply while the title card comes on the screen.
Then you see Shaw discovering the star map in the caves in Scotland.
After that is just David doing robot stuff and impersonating Peter O'Toole before waking everyone up. Vickers woke up before everyone and start acting like a bitch. Shaw and his husband start briefing the crew just like from the trailers. Vickers calls them into her cabin (A separate compartment from the main ship with its own life support) and tells them to do as she tells them to.
I probably missed some stuff.
ViewtifulJC
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Ya know, I saw that incredibly interesting video of Guy Pearce talking about Prometheus and fire and all that shit, and I was like, "Yeah, can't wait!"
Turns out he shows up halfway through the movie lookin' like Ivan Ooze from the Power Rangers movie and does nothing of any interest.
Michael Fassbender was far and away the best part, that and the visuals. Everything else was kinda shit, TBH.
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Prometheus was AMAZING. Satisfied the Alien fan in me, and left me with many many un-answered questions, which only makes me look forward to a sequel. Great story, great characters (Fassbender & Rapace being the standouts), outstanding visuals... Will see it again at least 30x.
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It was definitely meant for David to use. Wayland knew he would soon die.
User named brightgeist posted this on Aint it Cool News explainings things. Make sense to anyone else? Kind of does for me, but in a way where I could see a billion other explanations.
and then he posts this lol
The black goo does one simple thing. it directs (and accelerates) mutations towards a specific "goal". and, obviously, the goo in the first scene of the film is NOT the same goo that causes all the problems later in the film. the difference between the 2 goos are their "goals".
the engineers seem to have the ability to do genetic programming on a deeper level than simple DNA. yes, they use DNA obviously, but apparently they can set a "goal" to their mutations.
so, when they "create" life on a planet, they use their own DNA as a basis and start the evolution that will, after billions of years, reach its "goal" of human beings.
the weaponized goo, on the other hand, has a very different "goal", and a highly accelerated mutation rate. the "goal" of that goo, as we can see in the painting on the wall of the Big Head Room, is the "xenomorph", although obviously a slightly different model than the one from ALIEN. and whatever DNA that goo touches, it starts aggressive mutations in the direction of that xenomorph form.
of course, when that goo gets in contact with a grown human, it doesn't "transform" him into a xenomorph, because that's not how evolution works. it simply creates mutations in him, as we see in the cases of Fifield and Holloway.
but when the mutated DNA is transferred into a new cell through reproduction (as happened with the worms, apparently, and with Holloway and Shaw having sex, and later with the impregnated engineer), a newly evolved species can grow.
so i think this really explains the goo in a consistent way
and then he posts this lol
iirc there was nothing alive in the jar save for four large glass vials that had the black ooze in it.
Well, the "black ooze" is some form of organic life though. David put a drop of it in whats-his-face's cup, then he banged Shaw, who was sterile yet got preggers with an alien baby.
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I know. I'm saying it should have been face hugers in those jars.
The whole jumps-and-hoops it had to go through to end up with a xenomorph at the end was ridiculous. It could have been the aliens we know since the beginning, there was totally no point in making them an evolution of an evolution of whatever. It also made David's motives incomprehensible. It's a big clusterfuck. And in fact it doesn't even end with a xenomorph, but another mutation.
I mean really: boyfriend gets infected for no reason, dies. Girl gets infected, survives (something David didn't plan, so what would have happened then? A giant tentacle-alien just shilling in the lounge?). Then the tentacle thing infects the space jokey, and then a xenomorph is born... for what??
Ridiculous.
edit: Sterile in 2094, lol. Another useless idea. Pretty sure we would have figured something was wrong if she was magically three months pregnant all of a sudden, no need for the sterile thing.
Femmeworth
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I rolled my eyes so hard at the infertility scene.
Nah, I bet the female operations are DLC. The company/Weyland was too cheap.
Implies some sort of Virgin Mary thing with David being the creator when he is created.
He may have infected Holloway just "because he can".
I'm a bit confused here regarding Shaw's pregnancy. During the scene with David calling it an unusual fetus of three months, I assumed he was just referring to the Alien, which seemed to have fast tracked growth. Now I'm hearing people talking about how she was actually pregnant. A normal pregnancy, anyway.
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She obviously wasn't three months pregnant before then.
Its that the alien fetus grew rapidly, to the size of what a three month human fetus growth would be.
ViewtifulJC
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And then that whole ab surgery scene happened, which is REALLY intense and suspenseful and is a super huge moment for the character and possibly everybody on board because HOLY SHIT THIS ALIEN THING JUST CAME OUT OF MY FUCKIN' BODY AND ITS HERE ON THE SHIP and....nothing. Nobody reacts to any of it, there's no drama to follow up on the event, it just happens and then it doesn't matter. The whole movie is FILLED with shit like this.
So you have a bunch of ciphers for characters whose motivations change from scene to scene whenever the plot demands it, things that just happen for little rhyme or reason and no one seems to give a damn, with vague oddities happening every so often meant to make you question and interested in the plot, when for me it does just the opposite. There's that one scene where Idris Elba comes in and kinda explains the plot to Shaw for whatever reason and that they got to leave, and she asks, "Don't you want to know the answers?" "...I don't care"
And that's my overall feeling. I don't care about a single one of these characters and I'm not given any reason to, and the plot stops and starts so many times, with so little answers or real character motivations, that I completely lose interest. My overriding feeling after seeing the film was, "Uh...it was very pretty?"
Damn shame this was the best script they could come up with, because the visuals, direction, and actors were all top notch. Utterly wasted on a shit screenplay.
So you have a bunch of ciphers for characters whose motivations change from scene to scene whenever the plot demands it, things that just happen for little rhyme or reason and no one seems to give a damn, with vague oddities happening every so often meant to make you question and interested in the plot, when for me it does just the opposite. There's that one scene where Idris Elba comes in and kinda explains the plot to Shaw for whatever reason and that they got to leave, and she asks, "Don't you want to know the answers?" "...I don't care"
And that's my overall feeling. I don't care about a single one of these characters and I'm not given any reason to, and the plot stops and starts so many times, with so little answers or real character motivations, that I completely lose interest. My overriding feeling after seeing the film was, "Uh...it was very pretty?"
Damn shame this was the best script they could come up with, because the visuals, direction, and actors were all top notch. Utterly wasted on a shit screenplay.
BertramCooper
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Shaw is super mobile for someone who just gave herself a cesarean.
ViewtifulJC
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What about those two people she knocked out and were crawling on the ground, did they ever wonder, "Hey, what the fuck just happened?" I guess they just went about their day. "Huh. Didn't expect that! Oh well."
BertramCooper
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Really, the whole crew was pretty nonchalant about all of the crazy shit happening.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Dude comes back from the dead and starts doing Incredible Hulk shit, KILLS PEOPLE, re-kill him, go about their day, movie keeps going like nothing happen.
Oldschoolgamer
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I kept wondering why they opened the door in the first place. You came to the conclusion your homies died earlier. Now, you see him looking like a fold-up chair outside of the ship and you kindly let him in? I wish Theron was there to tell them no, and to grow a much needed brain.
Spotless Mind
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What was the exchange that the 2 nobodies had before they suicided? I know one of them said "See you on the other side" or something to that effect. The bromantic look they shared almost made me laugh out loud. Worst line of the movie for me. That sequence would have played out so much better without them. Not that i really cared when Stringer died anyway, but at least it wouldn't have been unintentionally funny.
The movie had so many superfluous characters and moments like this, which it tried to earn without any prior development.
The movie had so many superfluous characters and moments like this, which it tried to earn without any prior development.
That's what I thought, thanks.
I thought that at first, but then I remembered she was in Cryo, which slowed down her body functions and growth. Which I guess led some people to believe that Charlie knocked her up before they left.
Messypandas
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In the future of Prometheus, we still use Windows 7. (Apologies if it's posted, I haven't seen the movie yet and I didn't want to read the thread before I did)
no wonder the ship crashed
Net_Wrecker
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Didn't they have some kind of bet going about finding life on the planet or something?
In the end who cares though because old dude just woke up from the dead. But who cares about that cause we got zombie crew members. But really, that doesn't matter either cause gurl over there is preggo with an alien, yo. But that doesn't mean anything either because etc. etc.
Everyone on Prometheus was an android devoid of reactions.
ViewtifulJC
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And is there a more lazy-ass way of telling us about what happen to the Space Jockeys then the holograms? Nevermind they never even explain why they even exist or how you even start them up. It's like watching security camera footage.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Okay, now this is getting silly. I actually thought that was a rather cool way of informing the past.
ViewtifulJC
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There's that one line he said earlier about how he studied a whole bunch of languages. I guess this includes Space Jockeyism. "To see footage, press these weird things in this order"
Spotless Mind
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It could have been, but it almost seemed to happen at random whenever the characters needed some plot advancing information.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Femmeworth
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The flute was so fucking stupid. Really?
SCULLIBUNDO
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Somebody else sent it to me. It's golden.
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