Probably a variant of the stuff (considering the immense time span between the events) and yes it seems to degenerate you all the while driving the host to aggressive madness. Short term: zombie.
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Probably a variant of the stuff (considering the immense time span between the events) and yes it seems to degenerate you all the while driving the host to aggressive madness. Short term: zombie.
And the alien which killed the first two crew members, how did he come about?
My mind is all fuzzy
And the alien which killed the first two crew members, how did he come about?
My mind is all fuzzy
The worm? Mutated from the goo and the worms that were on the soil.
Maybe they didn't know wich planet we're living on.
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pretty disappointed in how they handled all character arcs and their motivations. I hope Scott pulls another Kingdom of Heaven -manouver and reorganizes the movie with lot more content as a Directors Cut.
Vickers had nothing to do and was just brushed aside at the end :/
Vickers had nothing to do and was just brushed aside at the end :/
So how do the old cavemen know about them? Their progenitor is long gone. Others must've visited in the mean time, and without intention to kill off humans.
Yep, nothing stopping the engineers to come and check our level of progress and taking a few sample humans with them.
They probably came and took some men and women to experiment on 2000 years ago and when the women gave birth to the Squidhuggers hell broke lose and they want to wipe earth clean of all life
This is not the scenario that I was replying to though.
But with regards to you and the poster above me's comments, I don't buy this "humans were an experiment for bio-weapon testing" theory.
They don't want to wipe the earth for nothing. Either they'd harvest the xenomorphs for warfare or just collect data on a mass scale xenomorph infestation.
What is your theory then?
My main theory is that the story's a mess and that there is no clear and cohesive answer.
In subsidiary order, I argue that:
- The Engineers are in general peaceful. They created life on Earth and later left signs so that humans could visit them, and receive the DNA disintegrating black goo. That way humans themselves can also create life, once they meet the condition of interstellar travel.
- The black goo is produced on LV-223. Something however went wrong, possibly an Engineer who sabotaged it, (the one in the cryo) and xenomorphs or other dangerous mutations were born and killed the Engineers.
This explains:
- Why they created life and why they left a star map invitation.
- The randomness behind the black goo: It was not designed as WMD. Only as a general way to create life.
- Why the awakened Engineer killed off humans.
Only problem is the xenomorph mural, but the "men as cattle" theory doesn't solve that either.
The problems with that theory are:
- What's the reason for the star map?
- Why is the testing ground and military facility so far away?
- Waiting millions if not billions of years for a testing ground?
- Why the random and unpredictable nature of their WMD?
- How stupid were they to let this super-dangerous black goo, if it was designed as such, go rampant?
This is a pretty decent theory. If only they'd actually shown some evidence that explained how Engineers had come into contact with xenomorphs in the past. Actual evidence, not made-up theories.
This is a good theory except that, if the engineer didn't like the idea of humans finding the black goo, why didn't he leave the planet instead of going into stasis, waiting for the humans and then trying to leave at the end.
Perhaps he was planning to stay in cryo until he was sure that the xenomorphs or mutations that he had unleashed, had died out.
The ship was functional, he could've flown home. He must've had a reason to stay. I can't see any other theory to explain that.
That's not bad.
I think that yeah, he was waiting for a rescue expedition (just like Vickers would have done) and when he saw humans rescuing him he realized something had gone very wrong.
e: something that the captain gets wrong, is that it is not a military instalation. If it was, the engineers would have had some kind of weapons, first to try and repel the xenomorphs that killed them (even if futile) and after to kill the humans.
black goo was not a weapon, even if it could create one.
We see a goddamn xenomorph springing to life from worms. This alone means that the engineers have probably seen thousands of different xenomorphs while developing the stuff. The alien mural is a clear hint that they have done experiments on humanoids be it humans or other engineers. Both of these aspects are concrete written information to us, not speculation.
And people were accusing me of leaps of logic lol. The movie itself stated that the site was a military lab. Peaceful gods do not have military labs that develop goo of death. And the final engineer ran with the others so it's quite farfetched to say he was a rogue.
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Come to think of it, what did Vickers do? What was her role in this film? The way she died was annoying.
One small complaint I had was how the flamethrower was invoked with Shaw claiming it won't be needed, and how those two pilots were shown randomly making bets and joking about their predicament. This immediately tells you - yes, that flamethrower will be needed and those two crewmen will die. It's a tact done so many times in other films
One small complaint I had was how the flamethrower was invoked with Shaw claiming it won't be needed, and how those two pilots were shown randomly making bets and joking about their predicament. This immediately tells you - yes, that flamethrower will be needed and those two crewmen will die. It's a tact done so many times in other films
I know, but that is probably the only decent theory of what could have had spawned the . That through giving men black goo to drink and impregnate women birthing the Squidhuggers
I still don't see any reason to believe that it was a military facility. It's pure speculation on behalf of the exploration team who has no idea what the fuck is going on.
Goo of death? It's the goo that gives life (see: intro scene). My argument is that it wasn't designed as a WMD at all. It's too erratic, too dysfunctional.
Second, okay, maybe that final engineer had accomplices?
Somewhat related, Vickers nicely channeled Ellen Ripley from Alien and Aliens in the scene where she kills Holloway. The quarantine argument and the flamethrower.
On paper, she has a ton of potential as a great and interesting character. A betrayed daughter, struggling for control over a gigantic corporation with the father who doesn't care for her. All the while trying to assert herself as a female leader over a group of scruffy space explorers and adventures on a wild goose-chase for magical gods. Shame the script doesn't utilize this potential.
Vickers was very angry the whole time, but only now did I realize why. At the beginning Weyland calls David 'like a son to me'. Vickers is his biological daughter so I think she felt abandoned and rejected that Weyland preferred David over her.
The way I understood it, the maps were left so that when an advanced enough civilization capable of space-faring understands them, they are to be wiped out. Maybe the engineers fear that some of their creations will overgrow them.
It doesn't make a lot of sense for the engineers to leave hints to the humans to go a military base, UNLESS the plan was a safeguard to kill the human experiment once they became dangerously advanced.
So maybe the rogue engineer was angry about having to kill the humans, and sabotaged the base so humans could be saved.
So maybe the rogue engineer was angry about having to kill the humans, and sabotaged the base so humans could be saved.
But then he kills the humans? And it's not a saveguard if you can destroy only one space ship crew that comes to visit your military lab. They'd have to count on the more tenuous situation that the crew finds the canisters and takes them back home to Earth, where it kills off everyone. A difficult and unpredictable situation, especially considering the volatility of the magic black goo.
Yeah Vickers represented somewhat old fashioned and strict thinking. She wanted the reigns of the company above all.
But one might argue that an erratic weapon that adapts to any enviroment would be good among very highly developed beings like the engineers. Even if it wouldn't have been used straight away to zombify things, the goo had potential to create new horrendous creatures that then could be used in war. Such as the xenomorph shown in the mural. They needed humans for that species.
And sure the goo could've been used for good originally, but I think they saw the potential in it as a weapon. The engineers are shown as very cold and violent beings if need be so I see no reason why they wouldn't have wars going on.
To be honest I never doubted that many would survive the expedition in the first place :b And the bearded dude even complied and left the flamer to prometheus which was kinda surprising.
My man here knows what's up.
But one might argue that an erratic weapon that adapts to any enviroment would be good among very highly developed beings like the engineers. Even if it wouldn't have been used straight away to zombify things, the goo had potential to create new horrendous creatures that then could be used in war. Such as the xenomorph shown in the mural. They needed humans for that species.
And sure the goo could've been used for good originally, but I think they saw the potential in it as a weapon. The engineers are shown as very cold and violent beings if need be so I see no reason why they wouldn't have wars going on.
To be honest I never doubted that many would survive the expedition in the first place :b And the bearded dude even complied and left the flamer to prometheus which was kinda surprising.
My man here knows what's up.
If you look up Prometheus Origins on Youtube Scott mentions that they go to Zeta 2 Reticula. Which is where they are in Alien when they land on LV426. Of course this may be from an earlier draft but i would assume its probably the same star system.
I think we can assume that one of the ships thats on 223 was or will be the downed ship on 426.
The EU stuff isn't canon.
Basically anything in Alien Aliens and possibly Alien 3 is what they were working on.
BUt if you think of it, it makes some sense.
Yep.
Its Lindelof though so he probably doesn't actually know their motivations and is just making it up as he goes along.
^ Hell yeah.
Also they created us with love... one would assume... then their politics changed so to say...
I said this earlier, but this film gives us a pretty decent hint at what might have gone down amongst the Engineers to set off the events that encompass the Alien series. We don't need to know specifically how it happened, but the film gives us enough info to make a reasonable assumption.
Off cam shots of the proto Xeno
http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1399/massive-spoiler-images-enter-at-own-risk
http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1399/massive-spoiler-images-enter-at-own-risk
Just as cool and creepy as I remembered. And it's definitely not the queen or at least the second mouth looks just like an early form of the one that's been killing people in the other alien films.
IMHO what happened is that Shaw killed a whole planet of engineers, stood around to check that they were all killed, then a facehugger crept back into her ship and as she was going to the next engineer planet, it impregnated her, then the alien came out, killed her and david and then the ship crashed on alien 1 planet.
Dunno if there can be a sequel of Shaw just flying around killing engineers, it'd be somewhat boring.
Dunno if there can be a sequel of Shaw just flying around killing engineers, it'd be somewhat boring.
Loved it but what a mess of a story, I blame the writer and wish they left the xenomorph out of it at the end. There was no need for it to even try to be connected to Alien the movie.
Far to many questions needed answers to even try and call this a cohesive story.
I look at the movie as being similar to a rollercoaster ride but unlike Alien, I will not be re-watching it.
Far to many questions needed answers to even try and call this a cohesive story.
I look at the movie as being similar to a rollercoaster ride but unlike Alien, I will not be re-watching it.
I really wish the Humanoid at the end woke up took one of the other ships and crashed on the planet the crew in Alien discovers because of the Xenomorph bursting out. Then it would have tied nicely to Alien.
For the rest of the story I completely agree with the idea of engineers wanting humans to have the black goo to create life if they are able to get to it via the map paintings, but one of the engineers didn't want this and sabotaged the base.
For the rest of the story I completely agree with the idea of engineers wanting humans to have the black goo to create life if they are able to get to it via the map paintings, but one of the engineers didn't want this and sabotaged the base.
It's like you wanted it to be safe and boring
What is it with some people and the need to find rogues/heroes like that? Why is it so hard to accept the movies theme and conclusion, that there are no definitive answers. There is no higher purpose for life. The engineers are advanced, cold motherfuckers. Yeah and it's David who can operate the ship, not Shaw.
It's like you wanted it to be safe and boring
Safe and boring no I disagree. Alien and blade Runner are straightforward enough, nothing wrong with simplifying what seems to be a complex plot with Prometheus. It doesn't take anything away from the engineers but it shows that they are not the Gods the humans were searching, they like us have problem within their own race. Some may have wanted peace with Humans but others probably saw us as inferior like the one who attacked and didn't want to share the creation of life goo.
That play a flute, wear funny masks, make giant Marlon Brando statues and leave star maps around just to fuck around with native Indians.
P.S. For what it's worth, I'm a hardcore atheist and in now way is my speculation or theorizing based on a wish for higher, sentient and benevolent creators.
Edit: Speaking of which, why are there giant statues and murals in their WMD cargo hold? Is there a Da Vinci painting hanging around in USA's nuclear missile silo's?
You can be a cold mofo and still enjoy the finer things in life.
Have you seen it?
Yes.
I enjoyed the movie in 3D similar to I enjoy a rollercoaster ride but as a story I thought it was awful and I blame Linelof for that. But then didn't he write lost and star trek 2 ?
Yeah, he lost his way with LOST though. It started amazing, season 1 & 2 are awesome.
I saw it in 3D too. Really nice use of 3D.
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this trend of writing stories with intentional sequels is really annoying. i just want to see a fucking movie, not watch two hours lead up into something else and then have to wait 2+ years for a conclusion.
Exactly, this is all I ask of a movie. To be honest I don't even think the sequel to this will even answer any more questions. I think the connection to Alien fucked it up even more than it already is.
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