It does. It's a story of a ship called Prometheus.
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It does. It's a story of a ship called Prometheus.
Come on, seriously ? FFS.
Prometheus doesn't even approach experimental cinematography and writing. It was a clear entity from beginning to end. And god forbid a movie doesn't choke you with explanation and exposition.
I'm not asking to be choked but I am asking for explanations, there's more unanswered questions in this film than anything I've ever watched before.
I would love to ask Ridley if he was happy with the film after the editing was done, I can't help but feel this is his three hour movie condensed into whatever time the execs demanded.
There's a great film hiding underneath this.
I would love to ask Ridley if he was happy with the film after the editing was done, I can't help but feel this is his three hour movie condensed into whatever time the execs demanded.
There's a great film hiding underneath this.
StalkerUKCG
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Seen this today..
Xenomorph explanation is basically a lulwut accident? It had to come from a human then gestate in a Engineer then birth and go back into a human to get the classic xenomorph?
Most of the characters where either horribly shallow or annoying as shit.
Stupid choices and things that dont make sense. (what was that hulk dude thing that returned to the ship?)
Engineers seem incredibly intelligent when the last survivor awakes what does he do when the people around him who seem far from hostile try to make contact? ATTACK!
Tech seems much further ahead than what we seen in alien and thats kind of annoying.
It was a great movie and ill buy it on bluray but its not without faults.
Its overhyped.
Xenomorph explanation is basically a lulwut accident? It had to come from a human then gestate in a Engineer then birth and go back into a human to get the classic xenomorph?
Most of the characters where either horribly shallow or annoying as shit.
Stupid choices and things that dont make sense. (what was that hulk dude thing that returned to the ship?)
Engineers seem incredibly intelligent when the last survivor awakes what does he do when the people around him who seem far from hostile try to make contact? ATTACK!
Tech seems much further ahead than what we seen in alien and thats kind of annoying.
It was a great movie and ill buy it on bluray but its not without faults.
Its overhyped.
Another stupid thing that bothered me (which wasn't mentioned in this thread I believe) was that the scientists/doctors were so eager to remove their gask masks/helmets. Just because the air is breathable doesn't means that you can't get infected. Especially when you're on a foreign planet with other possible alien lifeforms. The scientists in general were so stupid in Prometheus. Don't even let me get started on the idiot trying to talk with that alien snake, even a guy with below average IQ wouldn't mess with that aggressive alien and would be able to predict what was going to happen.
Alien was released in 1979...
StalkerUKCG
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And? thats far from the issue. They could easy scale back the tech to mirror alien.
I really can't blame them for that one, personally...
StalkerUKCG
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It just makes the universe feel disconnected. Im not saying go back to DOS esq computer interfaces but cut all the shiny blue shit and holograms to a minimum.
They're scientists, the Nostromo was a mining ship.
StalkerUKCG
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Eh if they shoe horn this in as some kind of explanation ill accept it. Still its far from the biggest issue with the movie
This has been commented a lot of times in a lot of previews.
And I agree, there's massive problems with the film but I loved it anyway.
THE-Pink-Dagger
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Ridley obviously knows better than you, doesnt he?
There will be a director's cut, there are tons of missing shots seen in the trailers, featurettes, alternate takes, changed dialogues, recut scenes (at least one: originally, Fifield wreaking havok was taking place when the crew along with Weyland goes to see the Engineer, you can see in the trailer, mercs are shooting at something, and we see Weyland in the background. In the movie, the scene takes place after Eli giving birth)
Shrike_Priest
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So, i've read the entire thread. I might be repeating some stuff, but this is my take right now.
1. The life form that attacks fifield and biology guy is not a xenomorph, but a facehugger. They rape orally, and just because we don't see biology guy's chest burst doesn't mean it won't. To me they have way more incommon with facehuggers than xenos. And one of those creatures was the origin of the chestbursters that attacked the engineers. If you accept that theory, then you have an origin for the chest bursters that killed the engineers and thus the idea that xenos could only evolve from from infected host -> intercourse with a humanoid -> conception is gone. The black goo needs to be part of conception in some way, but as someone said, earthworms are hermaphrodites and if they swim around in black goo, whenever they procreate they are exposed to the same process as Shaw was when she was impregnated. It's far from perfect, but it solves the contradiction and isn't that far of a stretch. It does beg the question of where the hell the birthed xenomorphs went, but I guess it wouldn't be too smart to stay in the same place for 2000 years once you've killed all the food.
2. Engineers seeded earth with humanoid ( their own) dna because they wanted a specific type of xenomorph (the one in the mural). Since we've established that the black goo is volatile and affects different lifeforms differently, they might have wanted to create a breeding ground where they could spread the goo specifically towards one dominant species and breed lots of Alien type xenos.
3. The whole "how could they be so stupid" problem is valid. But I think earthworm mutation could be an oversight due to ther pride and hubris, hence their punishment a la Prometheus. they screwed up because they had become too advanced and thought themselves godlike. That also chimes in well with what ridley said in the interview, they went too far, were careless, and screwed up.
4. David's actions seemed perfectly consistent to me. His conversation with Weyland was about finding the engineer, but him infecting shaw and generally checking things out all had to do with him trying to make sense of the concept of life, conception, creation and so on. He's portrayed as being childishly curious about everything dna-related. This curiousity was not something that Weyland had intended, David acted on his own when he did those things.
5. (After reading the interview with Ridley) The goo is an evolutionary weapon. It uses fast mutation to create a predatory organism based on whatever it infects, it's pre-programmed to create a predator, but the way it does it is loosely defined. This is why it can infect pretty much any life form, and is why it works like it does. It's a basic evolutionary computer virus that follows a limited set of rules: make a predator that will infect others, make it violent.
Also, I know this might be an excuse Lindelof used to cover up the muddyness, but Shaw's comments about searching, wanting answers and so on obviously echo what you as a viewer are feeling. The movie itself is about searching for answers, so not giving us all the answers maked the plot fit better with the final message Shaw sends to the viewer. That is a deeply unsatisfying interpretation on one level, as it could be used to legitimise purely badly written inconsistent plots, but it also kinda makes sense that they'd want to leave you confused and not explain everything. Problem is, then they shouldn't have aaaalmost explained thing x y and z only to skip out on the vital details but left it even more unclear.
1. The life form that attacks fifield and biology guy is not a xenomorph, but a facehugger. They rape orally, and just because we don't see biology guy's chest burst doesn't mean it won't. To me they have way more incommon with facehuggers than xenos. And one of those creatures was the origin of the chestbursters that attacked the engineers. If you accept that theory, then you have an origin for the chest bursters that killed the engineers and thus the idea that xenos could only evolve from from infected host -> intercourse with a humanoid -> conception is gone. The black goo needs to be part of conception in some way, but as someone said, earthworms are hermaphrodites and if they swim around in black goo, whenever they procreate they are exposed to the same process as Shaw was when she was impregnated. It's far from perfect, but it solves the contradiction and isn't that far of a stretch. It does beg the question of where the hell the birthed xenomorphs went, but I guess it wouldn't be too smart to stay in the same place for 2000 years once you've killed all the food.
2. Engineers seeded earth with humanoid ( their own) dna because they wanted a specific type of xenomorph (the one in the mural). Since we've established that the black goo is volatile and affects different lifeforms differently, they might have wanted to create a breeding ground where they could spread the goo specifically towards one dominant species and breed lots of Alien type xenos.
3. The whole "how could they be so stupid" problem is valid. But I think earthworm mutation could be an oversight due to ther pride and hubris, hence their punishment a la Prometheus. they screwed up because they had become too advanced and thought themselves godlike. That also chimes in well with what ridley said in the interview, they went too far, were careless, and screwed up.
4. David's actions seemed perfectly consistent to me. His conversation with Weyland was about finding the engineer, but him infecting shaw and generally checking things out all had to do with him trying to make sense of the concept of life, conception, creation and so on. He's portrayed as being childishly curious about everything dna-related. This curiousity was not something that Weyland had intended, David acted on his own when he did those things.
5. (After reading the interview with Ridley) The goo is an evolutionary weapon. It uses fast mutation to create a predatory organism based on whatever it infects, it's pre-programmed to create a predator, but the way it does it is loosely defined. This is why it can infect pretty much any life form, and is why it works like it does. It's a basic evolutionary computer virus that follows a limited set of rules: make a predator that will infect others, make it violent.
Also, I know this might be an excuse Lindelof used to cover up the muddyness, but Shaw's comments about searching, wanting answers and so on obviously echo what you as a viewer are feeling. The movie itself is about searching for answers, so not giving us all the answers maked the plot fit better with the final message Shaw sends to the viewer. That is a deeply unsatisfying interpretation on one level, as it could be used to legitimise purely badly written inconsistent plots, but it also kinda makes sense that they'd want to leave you confused and not explain everything. Problem is, then they shouldn't have aaaalmost explained thing x y and z only to skip out on the vital details but left it even more unclear.
THE-Pink-Dagger
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The movie definitely needs several viewings, I'm going again tomorrow.
33-Hit-Combo
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1. Seems that smaller creatures mutate in to face raping monsters, human sperm, worms? Could this mean that face huggers are mutated insects? Much more versatile bioweapon? The worm killed its host (bio guy) though. Seems facehuggers use live hosts, and the huge squid hugger (mutated sperm + egg/infertile egg, i.e. coincidence?) can just use corpses.
2. Agreed that Engineers made humans to harvest, however it seems they were getting ready to fly to Earth with just goo, rather than some sort of raping monster. They may have just not gotten to that stage though. Could have just washed Earth with it, and then gone back to collect the most dominant/surviving species.
3. The goo wasn't secreting until they opened the door and interfered with the atmosphere though (they say this, but they could just be making false assumptions). What's the probability that the stuff begins to secrete just as they have visitors? Worms are already in there and the goo is in puddles in just a few days, if that.
4. David does not have the ability to 'create', this was his chance I suppose? Also agree with your points! We don't know how he was programmed, he mentioned wanting to see his 'father' dead afterall...
To add to the discussion...
The opening scene with the creator, could he be committing suicide? Could be ingesting black goo, but the effects seem different to whatshisface, potentially due to amount taken? His body totally falls apart in the water. Is this a catalyst to life on Earth? It has air and water, whereas the planet that Prometheus lands on doesn't.
Chamber of secreting goo has a mural and clearly shows the Xeno we're familiar with. So they've been made before and they want to make more? Probably why the ship was destined for Earth.
The decapitated Engineer was infected, right? Did he ingest black goo and undergo the same transformation that David promoted, or the other guy who started attacking crew members? Were the other Engineers running away from this Engineer? Or were they running away from Xenos? David did find the acidic goo on the wall right? Perhaps that door was the nearest lockable one that could buy them time.
The map was a constellation, and they landed on the only planet that could possibly sustain life right? They landed at the first thing they saw, there could have been other areas right? Also how did the Engineer chase Shaw without suiting up? It can chug exhaust gases?? Why do they even have suits then?
Jason's Ultimatum
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I was googling info on Prometheus and I came across a group of freaking pics that look like Xenomorphs. Shorter width head. Supposedly it's from the movie. Please tell me they were fakes. 
StalkerUKCG
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What if, the goo is built to become a liquid in earth atmosphere and the building auto configured to earths atmosphere upon detecting humans.
sadly not
I was googling info on Prometheus and I came across a group of freaking pics that look like Xenomorphs. Shorter width head. Supposedly it's from the movie. Please tell me they were fakes.
sadly not
Well if you are surrounded by 5-7 people, one that constantly screams at you and the other one carries a shotgun does seem hostile to me.
33-Hit-Combo
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Also what if humans weren't created by Engineers? Perhaps they both stem from something else and the Engineers want to wipe humans out? Doesn't really fit in well, but just throwing it out there. Explains why the last Engineer was so aggressive.
StalkerUKCG
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Negates what we see at the start.
I predict the alienverse has some original master race who's origin actually has a start point but we will never find out.
Id like to know more about the enginners but i doubt that will ever happen.
Messypandas
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Just saw this... What a freaking piece of shit. Too many ideas crammed into a cluttered incoherent mess. Ridley excels at scenes where he lets his characters breathe - such as when David is exploring Prometheus alone - but by the mid point we had a character flamethrowered, a cesarean squid and an old guy defrosting all within 20 minutes. A terrible terrible shame because there was so much potential
I was googling info on Prometheus and I came across a group of freaking pics that look like Xenomorphs. Shorter width head. Supposedly it's from the movie. Please tell me they were fakes.
There is a proto Xeno at the end it has a pointier head than a classic one and no tail. I posted a link to cam pics earlier in the thread.
One point I haven't seen mentioned. There was a massive pile of these Engineer guys. What killed them? They were stacked on top of each other like some sort of mass burial. Was it really the Xenomorphs they were running away from? It could have been something else right?
Also character development in this was a massive let down. Had no connection to anyone of the crew members and all of the big players done nothing for almost the whole film.
Also character development in this was a massive let down. Had no connection to anyone of the crew members and all of the big players done nothing for almost the whole film.
My comments for the film story have already been discussed here but this, eh?
This is the best implemention of 3d i have ever seen in a film. What cinema did you watch it in, i was in Sony's latest 4k Cinema in the UK.
I saw it in 2D.
If people don't have a problem with nausea or glasses then I'd definitely recommend seeing it in 3D, the opening shots alone are worth it.
The proto xenomorph takes up like 0.25% of the movie.
If people don't have a problem with nausea or glasses then I'd definitely recommend seeing it in 3D, the opening shots alone are worth it.
I was googling info on Prometheus and I came across a group of freaking pics that look like Xenomorphs. Shorter width head. Supposedly it's from the movie. Please tell me they were fakes.
The proto xenomorph takes up like 0.25% of the movie.
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but what about the first engineer?
as for 3d, i noticed a bunch of times that you really couldn't notice the 3d, until I took my goggles off. the 3d was amazing, as in it didn't repeatedly punch you in the face with INCOMING 3D SCENE!
everything just looked a bit deeper and better. shots of going to and from the ship with the cars etc.
They were planning to slip a drop into everyone's Brawndo.
Possibly, it did give the impression of a weapon hold but that was also because it was mirroring the birthing chamber. Although creating a load of xenomorphs on Earth is a little pointless unless it was an elaborate test, wiping out what they created (even though they planned to do it 2000 years ago before we even had space travel) or just wanted a place to go on xenomorph safari. They'd shown that ship was not equipped to transport a load of them anywhere, or that the Engineers were capable of dealing with them.
A better theory I think is the plan was to round up humans onto the ship, infect them later in the new birthing chamber and then release them somewhere.
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http://turntherightcorner.files.wor...metheus-teaser-tralier-screenshot-9.jpg?w=800
Was this in the film? I can't recall.
Was this in the film? I can't recall.
THE-Pink-Dagger
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Nope, one of the many shots missing from the movie. Director's cut incoming!
Humans wouldn't need to eat it. We saw what it does to worms, imagine a dog or another animal going eating it. That's all it would take.
Just posted this in the other thread, but I'll stick it here as well as its easier to discuss and get some thoughts. This is basically how I think they should have done it at the moment.
I think the scope was there but they made a classic mistake in how they addressed the themes, which was trying to be too literal and too clever.
The origin of man is where all the problems open up, similar to BSG it was unneccessary and just requires so many leaps of logic to sustain the 'plan'.
They could still have explored God vs. his creation issues by keeping us and the Engineers separate. We created David, the Engineers have the ability to create new life by rapid mutations and are fascinated by different species. Space biologists, researching and collecting species, and they could have kept their form exactly the same as Alien.
The xenomorph was the result of them finding us long ago and taking some of us for the collection, which would explain the cave paintings. Unleashing a species which was more powerful than its creator and ultimately ends with their destruction.
We then go looking for what we once saw as a God and unknowingly make it all happen again.
I think the scope was there but they made a classic mistake in how they addressed the themes, which was trying to be too literal and too clever.
The origin of man is where all the problems open up, similar to BSG it was unneccessary and just requires so many leaps of logic to sustain the 'plan'.
They could still have explored God vs. his creation issues by keeping us and the Engineers separate. We created David, the Engineers have the ability to create new life by rapid mutations and are fascinated by different species. Space biologists, researching and collecting species, and they could have kept their form exactly the same as Alien.
The xenomorph was the result of them finding us long ago and taking some of us for the collection, which would explain the cave paintings. Unleashing a species which was more powerful than its creator and ultimately ends with their destruction.
We then go looking for what we once saw as a God and unknowingly make it all happen again.
You think a pack of rabid dogs is an effective weapon to exterminate humankind?
Well when it goes and mates and stuff starts bursting out of it sure, why not?
Or am I missing something.
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The goo just has to be dropped into an ocean, or many of the other sources of water for the creatures on Earth. We've seen what it does to simple worms. Cannot imagine what it would do to the various fish and mammal creatures as a result. It also infects anything that comes in contact with its host. It could literally destroy every single living creature on the planet in a matter of a few days.
You think the dogs are gonna do the humbug like crazy within 24h of feeling terribly sick and disintegrating? It's not exactly a dormant virus like HIV. You die pretty fast. See: Engineer from beginning (who drank an entire glass), Holloway (who only ate a tiny drop).
I stand by it: It's a terribly bad WMD design.
Err a canister of that shit in a river and it would be all over for mankind. And besides they had thousands of those canisters in one ship.
Also I had completely forgot that Shaw was infertile! Which supports my take on the metamorphosis subject of the xenomorphs. No sex is needed per se, just the exchange of bodily fluids of any sort containing the corrupted genome! Which again makes it quite simple for the egineers to have fucked up at the site.
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