Horse Detective
Why the long case?
I am going to continue to hope.
Though, I was amazed at the amount of people in my theater I spoke to, who had never seen the originals.
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I am going to continue to hope.
Though, I was amazed at the amount of people in my theater I spoke to, who had never seen the originals.
beelzebozo
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i don't see the motivations of the engineers as clear at all. there's lots of speculation by the characters but nothing definite laid out, which is my preference, really.
Why were the engineers running and ended up dying at that door? Was it the black ooze and if so what creature or thing from the black ooze made the engineers afraid?
I wish the engineer talked with Shaw and David instead of going psycho on some people he never seen before.
I wish the engineer talked with Shaw and David instead of going psycho on some people he never seen before.
SpeedingUptoStop
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I really liked how we never knew more than the characters. And given that the film dealt with issues like the entire purpose of human life, that is how it should be.
I think being part of a trilogy may have hurt this film, if it were more self contained with a tighter less far reaching plot people would have less complaints. They left virtually all of the weird shit for the follow ups.
one criticism i'll agree with is that the various threats that show up in the movie are kinda brushed over or taken out too quickly. Like the zombie guy shows up for a scene before he gets blasted, and the engineer and squid both clean eachother up with their little wrassling match. Would have been nice to keep these threats floating around somewhere to add tension but that probably would've been too hard to tie up at the end
a crab lays an egg in your gut and out of it bursts a giant humanoid insect with acid blood and murderous instinct. Makes perfect sense.
one criticism i'll agree with is that the various threats that show up in the movie are kinda brushed over or taken out too quickly. Like the zombie guy shows up for a scene before he gets blasted, and the engineer and squid both clean eachother up with their little wrassling match. Would have been nice to keep these threats floating around somewhere to add tension but that probably would've been too hard to tie up at the end
beelzebozo
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they were running from xenomorphs and all tried to get through the door at once. this caused a three stooges effect in which they all became jammed.
this is only one theory, though. i have also seen on prometheus fan forums the theory that an ancient banana peel was left on the floor, and what we see is the result, thousands of years later.
yeah, totally. it really is playing with that whole "choose to believe because it's what you want to believe" idea. it's very unclear why the "antagonists" do anything.
The issue is that the engineers are shown to do specific things (create life on Earth, do whatever they did on that planet, plot a course back to Earth). These things don't make sense in the context of the film, not as backstory or ultimate motivations.
there are animals on earth that lay eggs inside other animals to breed, and there are animals that transform radically (for example from a caterpillar to a butterfly)
obviously it's been amplified for the horror effect, but there's nothing in it that conflicts with what we know about life
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
do we know for sure any of this stuff? a lot of it is supposition fed to us by prometheus crew members who are flipping shit.
He thought they were all repellent robot scum like David. His species' love of life made them hate robots.
From twitter:
https://twitter.com/Devindra/status/211669843605340161
Really? If I woke up from a century of sleep to a group of alien types that look sort of like me, I would try and talk with them. I am so tired of Aliens going crazy and killing humans.
https://twitter.com/Devindra/status/211669843605340161
Really? If I woke up from a century of sleep to a group of alien types that look sort of like me, I would try and talk with them. I am so tired of Aliens going crazy and killing humans.
DancingCactus77
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Now that I've seen the movie. I can't believe they spoiled the decapitated head of David in one of their TV spots.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
I am in love with the visuals of this film.
The action scenes are amazing too. Davids head being ripped off the way it was, and being used against Guy was fucking terrific.
The action scenes are amazing too. Davids head being ripped off the way it was, and being used against Guy was fucking terrific.
My theory is they were running from that Engineer that stumbled and who got his head cut off. It would explain why he was so clumsy and also the goo found on his head later. He was infected and like Fifield, he was super strong and resistant. So what they did was cut his head off using the door mechanism similar to how they parked a truck on Fifield's head.
well, we're shown that they created life on Earth and we're shown them selecting Earth on the star map
Where do the headcrabs come from?
I thought something like this too. He's peaceful before he touches david. Then presumably he noticed the dude was a robot and flipped his shit.
considering that the crew members usually have opposing viewpoints too, probably not. I think their ultimate motivations are still vague
thought the conversation david has with the mad scientist guy was interesting "why did you create me"/"because we could"
might be the case with the engineers?
SpeedingUptoStop
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We were never truly sure what David said to the last engineer, right? he could have said anything to enrage him, maybe nothing to do with what Shaw or Weyland wanted him to say.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Wait...I thought he was saying something about stopping Weyland from dying?
I did not even think twice, seeing as though this was his whole intent.
smokeymicpot
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I am kind of happy I only seen the one main trailer but I am really pissed too. Re-watched the trailer after I seen the movie it gives the whole thing away. If you really want to see the movie but not really you should just watch the trailers. How can they spoil so much?
SpeedingUptoStop
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It was a whole nother language he was speaking without subtitles iirc, so who truly knows? David did have his own agenda for pretty much the entire film.
Ok.
DAMN I didn't think of that. He could that told that Engineer that the humans were here to stop and kill him. David did seem to have his own agenda.
BuddyJoeHooker
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You have to make the assumptions that what the crew are saying is truth in the film. Halloway saying that room is a tomb, Janek saying it was a military base, Shaw saying that the engineers were going to destroy earth.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
"ancient navigator. i have deposited my radioactive robot feces in your bathroom. i regretfully did not flush."
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
I just figured the whole point of Weyland being there was to preserve his life. It would not make sense to me for David to have been trying to say anything else.
I'm not demanding explanations to enjoy a movie. And I'm sorry, no those threads wouldn't exist, as there are no back to back plot holes in Alien or Aliens. They weren't intending to be some esoteric masterpiece. In order for that to happen, they wouldn't quarantine anyone in Alien, people disappear, no one seems to care or address the thing that popped out of a human, and the alien would need to be made out of rubbish and car parts, (oh wait
) Those films coherent stories that run their course, with good characters, good enemies, and a good setting. Nerds would argue about the realities of cryo sleep, etc. Maybe even ripleys super strength in Aliens, but not to the point of what we have here. Its just making excuses for the horrible film that I watched. I didn't have to convince myself that Alien was intense, original, disturbing, and well played. Aliens was exciting, horrifying, and again, well played. I didn't need to know the complete history of the monster in The Thing to enjoy the movie. Oh, its from space. Done. The same with Alien and Aliens. The space jokey was weird, but thats all it was. That is what it was intended to be. I didn't need that answer to understand the movie. Prometheus set up so many things, didn't address any of them, the characters didn't care about anything as well. It was just 2 hours of something I watched, hoping it would be good.
A movie can give you 10 things its going to cover during the course of the movie, and not address any of them. Sure, ok. I get it, thats fine. But it sure as shit isn't the reason I saw the film.
I haven't felt this let down at the movies since Stephen Segal died in Executive Decision.
The best part of the film was definitely Dave. But the whole time I was thinking "Ok, this is before the behavioral modifcation, hes probably going to completely snap!" Nope. Just so many nods to the original films, but then, bubkiss.
I thought this was blatantly obvious.
SHIIIIIT now THAT I did not realize until now. Awesome. That explains so much.
2 things: Have we ever seen a facehugger that was allowed to grow for a little while? I don't know the movie time, but lets say an hour or so, in Alien/s? Maybe thats just how big they get?
Also, don't forget that this facehugger came from her womb. Who knows what that does to the aliens.
Oh, and David is an android following orders, I think it's safe to assume that he said exactly what Weyland told him to say. Although I believe Ridley intentionally did that to spark discussion, as it obviously has.
SpeedingUptoStop
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What other alternatives are there for him speaking to the engineers? David was the only one who could really read anything written by them in the movie. He had a lot of intimate knowledge and was known not to share that information with his fellow shipmates. There's a lot going on there that people could extrapolate a shit ton from.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I really liked this movie. It's visually spectacular. And I loved the actors... Rapace and Fassbender stole the show, Theron and Elba were great as well. All the rest were pretty decent as well. I realize there are some inconsistencies and plot holes, but they didn't really matter in the end cause I had a ton of fun with the movie. The cesarean scene was fucking fantastic.
I do think that rather than Vickers getting crushed by the ship, it would have been better if the Engineer got her, it just seemed really hilarious that's how she got killed. I also thought at the end that Rapace would go like "I changed my mind" and they were off to kill the Space Jockeys.
But I really, really want a sequel now. I want to see what happens to them. The continuing adventures of David and Shaw? In SPACE!
David is a really fascinating character. Let's hope he's not just a head in a sack for the sequel. Speeding has a point, I wonder if David was being genuine at the end or if he said something simply to enrage the Engineer. Maybe he's just curious, though his reaction and the Engineer's immediate reaction (with him caressing his head?) after what he said, I don't think it's something that would cause anger on David's part. Maybe the Engineer just hates them.
I mean, it's a fucking alien. It's like David, we never know it's true motives or why it does what it does. Its concept of morality is probably entirely alien to us. If it even has one. Did it know David was artificial? Did that anger him?
I do think that rather than Vickers getting crushed by the ship, it would have been better if the Engineer got her, it just seemed really hilarious that's how she got killed. I also thought at the end that Rapace would go like "I changed my mind" and they were off to kill the Space Jockeys.
But I really, really want a sequel now. I want to see what happens to them. The continuing adventures of David and Shaw? In SPACE!
David is a really fascinating character. Let's hope he's not just a head in a sack for the sequel. Speeding has a point, I wonder if David was being genuine at the end or if he said something simply to enrage the Engineer. Maybe he's just curious, though his reaction and the Engineer's immediate reaction (with him caressing his head?) after what he said, I don't think it's something that would cause anger on David's part. Maybe the Engineer just hates them.
I mean, it's a fucking alien. It's like David, we never know it's true motives or why it does what it does. Its concept of morality is probably entirely alien to us. If it even has one. Did it know David was artificial? Did that anger him?
Said it twice now. The script is terrible, absolutely terrible. But you just can't push all the blame on to it. He could of had a climax between the Jockey and Naomi. He didn't. He could have dropped something, cut something, added something, basically something to salvage it. But he didn't.
On the positive side, I thought Naomi did a fabulous job thinking about it. If they actually had the material in it, could have easily put something up there with a strong female looked. Hell, she looked the part even.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Ah, alright.
I love that they gave David the ability to think enough for himself to behave the way he did in this movie. I can't quite explain why I think this was a good decision, but it just felt superior to Ash in my opinion. I would never shit on the original though.
ncsuDuncan
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*Engineer wakes up.*
David: "This redheaded woman had a squid baby. We think you're the FATHER. The results of the paternity test are in this envelope."
DNA MATCH
bggrthnjsus
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while that's true, life on other planets might be completely different from anything we could imagine. we expect life cycles to follow a logic that is relative to our own frame of reference, and when we're billions of miles away, i think those rules might get thrown out the window.
This movie sort of makes sense when you realize David had his own agenda.
SpeedingUptoStop
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2 years by himself gave him quite a compelling jump off point. None of the human characters in the film saw him as more than a tool, but they never made the connection that he grew to be so much more during their stasis. I'm not even sure Weyland understood.
James Woods
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http://www.fandango.com/movieblog/i...t-and-teases-future-alien-stories-716238.html
Old? Ridley confirms it was Jesus' death that made the Engineers want to kill us.
Old? Ridley confirms it was Jesus' death that made the Engineers want to kill us.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
But you realize this from the very beginning, no?
Totally agree with you here. And the only thing I'd need to verify that, is if the aliens all piled up WEREN'T exploded from just the chest, but exposure from the black stuff. They were infected, so the 1 engineer survivor locked himself in that room.
They were trying to get to him. Would explain the lack of Xenomorph bodies/facehuggers/any other bodies inside the ship.
Yeah that was fucked up. Its like everyone had to remind him that he didn't have a soul.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I find it hard to blame David for anything. Almost all of the characters (except Shaw, who he kinda helps/saves in the end), treated him like shit.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
The complaining about Noomi's acting is really annoying. The only character that got on my nerves was Elba.
Then again, my judgment may have been clouded by how unbelievably hot I think Noomi is.
Then again, my judgment may have been clouded by how unbelievably hot I think Noomi is.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Elba is fine but my problem with him is I associate him with Stringer Bell way to much.
lol, he has he to be trolling. then again the religious imagery was so incredibly overt
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Yeah it's likely the same ones who go in the ship afterwards to leave right? It would explain why their bodies were not in the tomb room: they left afterwards.
Only thing is, why did they fail to leave the planet? Last thing we see is one of them piloting, choosing to go to Earth, the others going to sleep. But then it looks like the ship never left and the pilot just went to sleep or left.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I hadn't read this. Thanks for posting, it's interesting.
Was this directed to me? David followed orders, I thought that was clear. He had to do what Weyland said. Now if Ridley had ever shown that David was conflicted and starting to make his own decisions, I would agree. But all of his actions could be seen as him following orders. I think.
My running theory is that the black goo makes you go insane and eventually kills you, possibly reviving you if you're already dead. The only way Xenomorphs come into this is if you reproduce if infected. The possibilities of this are very small due to the extremely quick incubation period. This would explain why the worms then mutated into the snakes as worms are hermaphrodites. So the worms reproduced once they were in the black goo and out came the xenosnake. Holloway banged Shaw and out came the proper facehugger and later a baby xenomorph.
I like how he let Holloway hang himself with his own words. The scene is beautiful as it's framed as Holloway talking David into David infecting him.
No clue on that front.
Maybe he never woke up?
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