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Wasn't it the geologist that was told to leave the weapon on their first trip in and said he was security? He was acting like a tough SOB in the beginning then all of a sudden was scared when they went into the chamber.
 
man I was hoping Theron would survive, she was too hot to die.


Wasn't it the geologist that was told to leave the weapon on their first trip in and said he was security? He was acting like a tough SOB in the beginning then all of a sudden was scared when they went into the chamber.


Nah, the security dude is different I think, he was with Weyland and co. when they wake the Engineer up.
 
An android would have known to run perpendicular to the damn path of a massive tumbling ship.

Her death scene was so unsatisfying

"Oh no, no no"

Why didn't she just run left or right? Why try to out run a thing and run straight when falling that way when it is fucking huge?
 
Another thing which annoyed me was that she only had 30 sec of air left when she aches the escape pod and the. She then Gets away without refilling her air supply. How does she get back to the other ship to fly away? Or we're those canisters which she first grabs oxygen? I thought they were food or something...

The more I think about this film, the worse it gets...damn.

I wonder if it was similar with the original star wars?
 
Well... yeah. Peter Waylen is a hundred year old trillionaire crazy motherfucker searching for immortality and the creator of mankind. Dude obviously does not give a shit. He's days away from dying, I don't think he cared about the lives of anyone else on board.
i mean the whole first act kind of portrays holloway as one of those EXTREEEME science people, who are there for the thrill as much or more than the science, and it wouldn't really surprise me for him to take off his helmet, and after that i would guess the other people would just kinda follow suit
 
Wasn't it the geologist that was told to leave the weapon on their first trip in and said he was security? He was acting like a tough SOB in the beginning then all of a sudden was scared when they went into the chamber.
Scared proooobably because he didn't have a huge fucking flamethrower like he expected to have.
 
If you're referencing the first movie, and the guy in the chair. That was on a different planet. Meaning that the engineers suck at flying, and handling the black ooze.

Its a very good question on why the ship NEVER left, as the first thing the engineer did when he wake up, was take off.

I'm talking about this movie. The guy sits in the chair with the flute, plans to go to Earth, the others go to bed. Then the recording stops. When David finds the room, there is no one in the chair, the dudes are dead except one who is sleeping. So what happened? Why did it not leave, and yeah, when the humans wake the dude up he sits in the dentists chair to pilot the ship away. Well, that's quite different.

So I'm thinking, the guy who used the flute didn't do this to pilot the ship. It was a communications deck, not a piloting deck. The flute is to use the communication deck. The dentist chair is to pilot. The Earth hologram thingy was to send a communication, maybe to other jockeys or something near Earth, since this happened a long time ago. After sending the communication (maybe something like: warning, we fucked up), they go to sleep, hoping to be rescued one day. When the humans show up, the engineer thinks "Oh so it's over? You guys are humans... fuck you, you're not supposed to be here", he attacks them, and gets in the PILOT chair, he doesn't do the flute thing. He decides to fly away. Presumably to Earth, but we don't know actually, it could be to fly back home, or to Earth thinking his buddies might still be there.

This would also explain Alien 1's ship: it would be ANOTHER ship from the SAME moon, but which actually fled away rather than stay like the one in Prometheus. It left, but infected, and resulted in what we see in Alien 1.

The one in Prometheus stayed behind, preferring to send a communication rather than risk leaving with possible infected jockeys.
 

I thought that part was awesome.

No, it was not the geologist that wanted to take the weapon. That guy died later to Fifield's zombie I believe.

We should also remember, that the only person on this ship with connections to Weyland were David and Vickers, I think. You guys say it was a "cavalier trillion dollar mission" are criticizing the scientists who didn't give a fuck about the company, as expressed earlier when they talked to Vickers.

Not to mention the fact that the suit (or someone on the radio) said "WARNING DO NOT TAKE OFF THE HELMET" when Halloway did it.
 
man I was hoping Theron would survive, she was too hot to die.





Nah, the security dude is different I think, he was with Weyland and co. when they wake the Engineer up.

Okay thanks I guessed I mixed them up in that small scene. I also don't understand why they didnt bring weapons with them when they went back to look for the two.
 
Another thing which annoyed me was that she only had 30 sec of air left when she aches the escape pod and the. She then Gets away without refilling her air supply. How does she get back to the other ship to fly away? Or we're those canisters which she first grabs oxygen? I thought they were food or something...

The more I think about this film, the worse it gets...damn.

I wonder if it was similar with the original star wars?

My assumption was her helmet had been cracked and she grabbed a new one when she was inside the escape pod.
 
Another thing which annoyed me was that she only had 30 sec of air left when she aches the escape pod and the. She then Gets away without refilling her air supply. How does she get back to the other ship to fly away? Or we're those canisters which she first grabs oxygen? I thought they were food or something...

The more I think about this film, the worse it gets...damn.

I wonder if it was similar with the original star wars?

I think she grabbed a different helmet.

LOL

Scumbag Engineer;

Says he will be there in 2 years.

Takes 2000.

A new meme: Abusive Scumbag Precursor

HANDS UP!

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That was hilarious. Elba was great in this movie.
 
yeah that was kind of a wasted opportunity to really satisfy a bloodthirsty audience

that whole scene i was like 'jesus christ turn right or something'

People were yelling this at the screen. The movie took a laughable turn after the abortion scene when she just got up and started running around.

Hah, exactly. Virtually no one was taking it seriously or even pretending to act like a professional on a such a massive expedition.

Thats what I meant. For it to be so significant, no one cared about anything. Example?

No one checked on the alien that was on the lifeboat. Lets not forget that it was on its way back to earth, rendering the pathetic crash scene and sacrifice meaningless. Or wait, maybe Dave was getting his directions from Elba, who worked for Miss.Yutani!?!?! And was trying to get a specimen back to her company before they merged? Cant remember if its Wayland Yutani, or just Wayland in this movie.
 
Why didn't she just run left or right? Why try to out run a thing and run straight when falling that way when it is fucking huge?

Thats exactly what I was saying. It was funny to me how they couldn't imagine running the other way. The second half of this movie is full of wtf, but its still enjoyable to me.
 
Another thing which annoyed me was that she only had 30 sec of air left when she aches the escape pod and the. She then Gets away without refilling her air supply. How does she get back to the other ship to fly away? Or we're those canisters which she first grabs oxygen? I thought they were food or something...

The more I think about this film, the worse it gets...damn.

I wonder if it was similar with the original star wars?

She grabbed oxygen tubes immediately after getting in there. They snap in somewhere and connect to those 3 tubes at the bottom of the helmet.

People were yelling this at the screen. The movie took a laughable turn after the abortion scene when she just got up and started running around.

You mean when she was limping and constantly in pain and shooting herself up with drugs trying to numb the pain?
 
That was slightly disappointing bordering on hugely.

Proposed a lot more questions than it actually answered(and those questions didn't really need answering anyway).

What exactly was the point of the opening scene?

Why were the engineers so intent on killing people to the point of being suicidal?

Why did it seem everyone had changing motivations? The daughter and David had their own side agenda but even they weren't on the same page?

How did David know about the goop if Weyland didn't? I guess he read it but not laying it out was bullshit.

What was David's plan? Infect the guy to impregnate Ellie to freeze...for what? For who? Weyland thought they were benevolent. Who the hell was going to recieve the thing?

I still don't know what the black goo did. Did it transform the worms into those things? How exactly did the baby giant facehugger come into being?

What did kill all those things? Shouldn't the bodies of the killers have been preserved?

God help me, but AVP did a much better Weyland I felt.

What was the point of the last scene? Yeah it shows they're connected to alien but it wasn't built up to. It just felt like it was there because it has to be there.

I really think I would have preferred Alien 0.
 
i don't know why people complain about the dumb behaviors of the scientists in a movie with giant vagina aliens impregnating giant white supermen. i mean you can probably count the number of movies where the scientists actually behave like real scientists on one hand.
 
You mean when she was limping and constantly in pain and shooting herself up with drugs trying to numb the pain?

I forgot about this. Never mind what I was saying I suppose.

I felt so bad for her the entire movie. Just had major surgery with staples and all, only to be hit in the gut with the but of what was apparently an a k47. I don't know why I fixated on that.
 
Even as a symbolic death, the getting crushed by the alien ship doesn't work. Maybe if it was Weyland himself, but really, Vickers should have died in the escape pod. No idea how nobody in the production didn't find that death underwhelming.
 
I forgot about this. Never mind what I was saying I suppose.

I felt so bad for her the entire movie. Just had major surgery with staples and all, only to be hit in the gut with the but of what was apparently an a k47. I don't know why I fixated on that.

Yea, even when she was running outside she was constantly limping. I mean, she did run pretty well for someone who just had an abortion, and a fetus literally RIPPED out of her body, but that is a pretty minor detail.

Even as a symbolic death, the getting crushed by the alien ship doesn't work. Maybe if it was Weyland himself, but really, Vickers should have died in the escape pod. No idea how nobody in the production didn't find that death underwhelming.

Agreed, why keep her alive only to kill her like that?
 
I forgot about this. Never mind what I was saying I suppose.

I felt so bad for her the entire movie. Just had major surgery with staples and all, only to be hit in the gut with the but of what was apparently an a k47. I don't know why I fixated on that.

She is a trooper though for going out to the ship half dead. Then suddenly she is fine after the ship crashes. I hope we never get a sequel to this shit. How the fuck don't we know no other dudes were sleeping in the ship she stole at the end?
 
i don't know why people complain about the dumb behaviors of the scientists in a movie with giant vagina aliens impregnating giant white supermen. i mean you can probably count the number of movies where the scientists actually behave like real scientists on one hand.

so? Good things make movies good, bad things make movies bad. Why wouldn't people talk about bad things that take them out of the film and only seem to be there to move the plot
 
People were yelling this at the screen. The movie took a laughable turn after the abortion scene when she just got up and started running around.

You mean when she was limping and constantly in pain and shooting herself up with drugs trying to numb the pain?

Yeah, she's not just running like nothing happened. She's visibly very fucked up after that.

Maybe Vickers isn't dead and it's misdirection. I mean, Ridley outright lied about Vickers being the sole girl to make it to the end or whatever.

There's still that thing that burst out of the biologist's chest that we never see. We didn't see her get smashed, maybe she survived and we're just not witness to it.





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Vickers really was the sanest person on that team.
 
They sure did. The mistake made on their part (Trey's) was perfectly understandable and believable.

Everytime I saw Trey in Prom I only saw him yelling from Sunshine, "I FUCKED UP OK!"

One huge thing this movie did for me, was make the third act of Sunshine OK for me. I was so caught off guard by that third act that I seriously resented it. However, after Prom, I realize that that was the genre Boyle was going for. I am ok with it now, even if it is still unnecessary.
 
This is probably a better thread for this, am I getting it right?

If a living object ingests it, they become something new biologically, their body itself changing. If they infect someone around them then the newly infected person simply becomes a host of some sort? I'm assuming those snake ones that killed the geologist and his buddy came from the worms, correct?
 
The should have only had the following characters:

Shaw
Halloway
Vickers
Geologist
Wayland
Idris

The rest could have been cut out and you wouldn't even notice.

There were apparently 17 people on board, I can't remember more than 10! Add to the above list that welsh woman, the two copilots, and the biologist.

Where we're the rest at?!
 
No one checked on the alien that was on the lifeboat. Lets not forget that it was on its way back to earth, rendering the pathetic crash scene and sacrifice meaningless. Or wait, maybe Dave was getting his directions from Elba, who worked for Miss.Yutani!?!?! And was trying to get a specimen back to her company before they merged? Cant remember if its Wayland Yutani, or just Wayland in this movie.
it's weyland-yutani in this movie.

well that alien on the lifeboat was in vickers' private lifeboat, which nobody was supposed to be allowed in, and david is arguably the only one who knew about the pregnancy. the people in the biohazard suits trying to put shaw in cryo don't necessarily know she's pregnant, just that she might be sick. so i can buy that nobody would notice the alien in there given all the other ridiculous shit going on. it seems pretty likely that david was under orders to bring back specimens to W-Y, and when his best opportunities (infected holloway, pregnant shaw) failed he gave up on it. the same thing happens in all 3 alien movies, that theme of WYC trying to bring back alien life (usually for use as a bioweapon)
 
The should have only had the following characters:

Shaw
Halloway
Vickers
Geologist
Wayland
Idris

The rest could have been cut out and you wouldn't even notice.

There were apparently 17 people on board, I can't remember more than 10! Add to the above list that welsh woman, the two copilots, and the biologist.

Where we're the rest at?!

They all got lost or some shit. Omar was coming.
 
Also, did anyone else find it hard to believe that Elizabeth somehow found the old, supposed to be dead guy after she got her abortion? I mean, she just started wandering around and seconds later, mega discovery! The door wasn't locked or anything (was it already open? I can't remember)

Or was I missing something?
 
She is a trooper though for going out to the ship half dead. Then suddenly she is fine after the ship crashes. I hope we never get a sequel to this shit. How the fuck don't we know no other dudes were sleeping in the ship she stole at the end?


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DON'T SAY THIS! People might actually listen to you
 
Perhaps those who immensely enjoyed the movie's "multilayered" meanings and ambiguities will perhaps have their time better served by solving Raven's Matrices, Sudoku, or Rohrsach tests.
 
This is probably a better thread for this, am I getting it right?

If a living object ingests it, they become something new biologically, their body itself changing. If they infect someone around them then the newly infected person simply becomes a host of some sort? I'm assuming those snake ones that killed the geologist and his buddy came from the worms, correct?

I think they just affect different organisms differently. Goo on worms = giant snakes, goo + human dna = hosts
 
This is probably a better thread for this, am I getting it right?

If a living object ingests it, they become something new biologically, their body itself changing. If they infect someone around them then the newly infected person simply becomes a host of some sort? I'm assuming those snake ones that killed the geologist and his buddy came from the worms, correct?

My running theory is that the black goo makes you go insane and eventually kills you, possibly reviving you if you're already dead. The only way Xenomorphs come into this is if you reproduce if infected. The possibilities of this are very small due to the extremely quick incubation period. This would explain why the worms then mutated into the snakes as worms are hermaphrodites. So the worms reproduced once they were in the black goo and out came the xenosnake. Holloway banged Shaw and out came the proper facehugger and later a baby xenomorph.

Best guess I have.
 
The should have only had the following characters:

Shaw
Halloway
Vickers
Geologist
Wayland
Idris

The rest could have been cut out and you wouldn't even notice.

There were apparently 17 people on board, I can't remember more than 10! Add to the above list that welsh woman, the two copilots, and the biologist.

Where we're the rest at?!

I think there were mercenaries/security guys that mostly got killed by Fitfield and survivors tended to Weyland when he woke up.

There are "Mercenaries" listed in the credits. I bet they knew about Weyland on board, while Shaw and co. didn't.

I NEED PROMETHEUS 2. Wanna see what happens after this. Is it supposed to be entitled 'Paradise'?
 
She grabbed oxygen tubes immediately after getting in there. They snap in somewhere and connect to those 3 tubes at the bottom of the helmet.



You mean when she was limping and constantly in pain and shooting herself up with drugs trying to numb the pain?

Yea that part, it was hilarious. Limping and being in constant pain while shooting yourself up with morphine doesn't make it any less laughable that she immediately got up, and continued to do a action movie, wasn't attended to, and only had staples keeping her together. The no one addressing it, as well as her forgetting about it at the end was there for good measure.

I'd have nothing to say if the machine did some stupid 'heal/stem cell' laser, or something. No, just staples and you're good to go. Its Sci Fi, that would have kept all the eyebrows in the theater unraised.
 
This is probably a better thread for this, am I getting it right?

If a living object ingests it, they become something new biologically, their body itself changing. If they infect someone around them then the newly infected person simply becomes a host of some sort? I'm assuming those snake ones that killed the geologist and his buddy came from the worms, correct?

this was my take:

here's my takes on the new questions raised:

the beginning obviously raises the question of why that engineer was seemingly the only one on earth and why the hell would he do that to himself, but i don't think that is a question that even needs answering.

the goo is a biological tool, not necessarily a weapon. it may be an infectious agent that affects the dna of the hosts and as it replicates picks up their traits and seems to be some kind of xenomorph precursor. it seems to have some viral mechanisms such as incorporating itself into dna. and like many viral infections, there are specific times when it is infectious, which i use as a sort of loose explanation as to why shaw gets a weird spermsquid baby and not an exploded head. as the infection progresses you get the symptoms of holloway and the engineer in the opening scenes - you fucking fall apart. holloway's just took longer because he had less than a drop of the stuff and the opening engineer drank a whole glass of it. when you fall apart in the right conditions to support life (ie earth in the opening scenes), the mutated dna goes about its business and continues to evolve. (also i'm not sure that the engineer in the opening is necessarily seeding ALL life on earth or just the origins of HUMAN life) when you fall apart in an inhospitable planet, vickers just flamethrowers you.

i guess when you have mutated sperm this is a particularly hardy and rapidly growing thing which is really just the result of the infectious goo biotool rapidly evolving its hosts' characteristics. the resulting giant squid alien is probably the equivalent of a xenomorph arising from a sperm. there are references to the xenomorphs in the movie when milburn and fifield mention that there are bodies in the pile that have been opened up from the inside. couple that with the fact that we see some form of xenomorph come out of the engineer at the end and the fact that the engineers are genetically similar to humans, that might mean that a similar event happened on the engineer vessel, resulting in a xenomorph outbreak that killed everybody.

what happened to the xenomorphs (or whatever killed them) after the outbreak? who knows, it's a big moon and it was a long time ago...they probably starved to death after killing all the engineers or something. whatever happened to them, it's clear that they were around prior to prometheus landing there, since they're on the murals in the tomb. as to the specifics regarding the differences in the tomb and the cargo hold, who the hell knows, who are we to judge some ancient alien religion? our religions and their weird rituals are incomprehensible enough as it is.

what's david's motivation for infecting holloway? i don't really see this as a plot hole...he's an ambiguously intentioned character, we don't know who he was speaking to via the visor (or how many communiques they've had), maybe there are W-Y bigwigs back home who want some kind of bioweapon. i suspect his plan was to infect holloway and bring him home in cryosleep to bring the weapon back, but when that failed he found a surprise back-up in a pregnant shaw. this sort of alludes to alien, where ash is ordered to return the alien to W-Y at the expense of the crew, and also to aliens, where burke wants to infect ripley and newt and bring home an alien in cryosleep because of W-Y's desire to use it as a bioweapon. perhaps it's the events of prometheus as relayed by david to W-Y execs that give them this idea in the first place. i think david has some sort of secret corporate agenda that not even vickers knows about, but when weyland's play at eternal life just gets him decapitated and the only way home ruined, he has to alter his plans on his own. or maybe it's simpler, and he's just curious, or just a jerk.

why doesn't anybody notice an alien spermsquid hanging out in the medical bay? for starters, that was vickers' private medical bay. the rest of the staff seemed to have a different medical bay and no access to that surg-o-matic tube. david knows what happened but i figure he just assumes that shaw has managed to kill the thing. i chalk it up to bad writing that the chronology is so messed up and hard to understand, but all of this seems to have happened pretty quickly so i suppose it's understandable that nobody really noticed between the confusion of weyland actually waking up from cryosleep and zombi-fifield murdering everybody.

zombie-fifield is probably my biggest gripe; i don't understand how he got super strength/agility/invulnerability from having acid and goo on his face. he was really just kind of a cheap plot device to kill off a lot of people at once.

anyway it's far from a perfect film, but i think the script and its pacing and various plot holes and cheap devices were probably the main offender. i think it fits the mythology of the alien universe pretty well, and overall i thought it was entertaining as hell. after one viewing i can't say i hold it on the same level as alien/aliens, but i think it shits all over alien 3 and resurrection, and don't even get me started on the avp movies. it's got its flaws but i think those are flaws in the script and storytelling, not in the backstory. i don't think it's deserving of the majority of the backlash it gets regarding where it fits in the universe.

/reallyoveranalyzingthingshere
 
I think there were mercenaries/security guys that mostly got killed by Fitfield and survivors tended to Weyland when he woke up.

There are "Mercenaries" listed in the credits. I bet they knew about Weyland on board, while Shaw and co. didn't.

I NEED PROMETHEUS 2. Wanna see what happens after this. Is it supposed to be entitled 'Paradise'?

It seems Weyland hid himself and faked his death because he didn't want the scientists to know about his true intentions.
 
They're exploring an unknown monument of an alien planet... they have no idea what kind of pathogens could be airborne. It's just really unprofessional and very characteristic of how careless and stupid the crew was as a whole.

Just the worst scientific expedition ever.
 
Maybe it's never the creator's intent for their creations to discover how they were made. The introduction of the film is supposed to be ambiguous as to whether it is Earth or not and that's telling. Maybe its is because the Engineers do something like this on a lot of planets - create life and let the chips fall where they may. Or maybe the humans returning to the Moon colony where the engineers are is supposed to alert the master race that that particular race has grown too powerful and unchecked, or perhaps that their civilization is so advanced that they are ready to be ruled. Just spit balling here because it's fun to think about.
 
Also, did anyone else find it hard to believe that Elizabeth somehow found the old, supposed to be dead guy after she got her abortion? I mean, she just started wandering around and seconds later, mega discovery! The door wasn't locked or anything (was it already open? I can't remember)

Or was I missing something?
yea i think the pacing is the worst part of the movie, there are a lot of weird little timing issues that don't make much sense, and are probably magnified by the million year flash forward from intro to the rest of the movie
 
Yea that part, it was hilarious. Limping and being in constant pain while shooting yourself up with morphine doesn't make it any less laughable that she immediately got up, and continued to do a action movie, wasn't attended to, and only had staples keeping her together. The no one addressing it, as well as her forgetting about it at the end was there for good measure.

I'd have nothing to say if the machine did some stupid 'heal/stem cell' laser, or something. No, just staples and you're good to go. Its Sci Fi, that would have kept all the eyebrows in the theater unraised.

I know, they have a ship that can fly FTL but they are still using staples to keep people together. Haha
 
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