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thecouncil said:
shaw said they werent going to have an earth to go back to if they didnt stop it. so they put humanity before themselves.

vickers also asked something like "did anyone die?" referring to the cryo sleep journey in the very beginning. maybe everyone was there with the knowledge of potential death before even reaching their destination. maybe they already had a "nothing to live for" backstory. they didnt have to explain that to you though.
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Makes sense, Thanks! I liked the movie but this part bugged me.
 
Speedymanic said:
He was a biologist, so it's not surprising he was interested in the worm. Add to that it was his first ever encounter with what looked like harmless alien life.
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You're a biologist and you see an unknown snake-like creature pop out of this unknown black ooze which may or may not have killed the people who created you. Is trying to pet it the first thing you do?
 
This was by far the best film of the year.
Y'all can disagree. Y'all can hate me now. But it won't stop. Can't stop.
 
Let's say the space jockey from Alien is Dr. Shaw.

She left the planet in one of those horseshoe alien ships. She was already infected by that black goo (after sex) and was still a living host.

She landed or crashed on the other planet that is visited in 'Alien' and another alien burst from her chest.

The audio that she was recording at the end of Prometheus was her basically saying "if you get this message, don't come here or you'll die." She must have been recording this on the ship she took off in.

So THAT's the beacon that Ripley and them get in Alien. Ripley has to translate it because it's recorded on outdated technology. She does eventually realize, too late of course, that it was actually a warning not to come there. which is what Shaw was recording at the end of the movie.

its all speculation because nothing really makes sense in that movie. haha.
 
Why are so many people upset at the engineer going berserk? He seemed like some alien military grunt and it looked like he killed off the party because they were becoming hostile (Shaw yelling at the engineer). The engineer seemed driven to complete his mission and wasn't going to let an alien race stop him.

The engineer at the beginning, was he just some alien extremist releasing the weapon to prevent it's launch from the desolate planet? Maybe a human sympathizer?
 
This movie kind of breaks the plot of every other movie in the series. In every other movie the company wants to capture a xeno for study(probably to use as a weapon) but why would they go through all that trouble when they know where there is a planet full of ships containing stuff that can make them?
 
Speedymanic said:
He was a biologist, so it's not surprising he was interested in the worm. Add to that it was his first ever encounter with what looked like harmless alien life.
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Well he sure seems disinterested in going in the direction Elba told him about previously, where they detected a lifeform.

Y'know, just a scene prior.
 
Zombie James said:
You're a biologist and you see an unknown snake-like creature pop out of this unknown black ooze which may or may not have killed the people who created you. Is trying to pet it the first thing you do?
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A fair point, but his curious side obviously took over. He saw it as harmless, we, as the viewers obviously knew it would mess him up, but for the character, it was a decision (albeit stupid) based on curiosity of seeing an alien life form for the first time.

A smarter person would obviously have backed off after it hissed, but nothing about Milburn seemed to be very intelligent. Here's a guy who decides to wander off with someone who told him in no uncertain terms he wasn't interested in being his friend/wasn't even willing to talk to him.
 
Tookay said:
Well he sure seems disinterested in going in the direction Elba told him about previously, where they detected a lifeform.

Y'know, just a scene prior.
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Nope, they actually go in the opposite direction. They just happen to come full circle to the goo room.

The scanner was picking up the life signs of the stasis engineer, not the worms.
 
Mr_eX said:
This movie kind of breaks the plot of every other movie in the series. In every other movie the company wants to capture a xeno for study(probably to use as a weapon) but why would they go through all that trouble when they know where there is a planet full of ships containing stuff that can make them?
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Well I don't think any information from this trip made it back to Earth...
 
Tookay said:
Well he sure seems disinterested in going in the direction Elba told him about previously, where they detected a lifeform.

Y'know, just a scene prior.
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well, in that scene, i assume they were trying to avoid running into a living engineer that they had seen in hologram form.
 
Erigu said:
"Looked like harmless"? That's one crappy biologist...
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I agree, but his attempting to touch it is somewhat believable, as stupid as it seems to us/any rational thinking person.

A smarter biologist would have backed off after it opened its 'mouth' and started hissing, but then Milburn doesn't appear to be very smart as evidenced by his wandering off with Fifield, who moments earlier told him he wasn't interested in talking to him.
 
The_Technomancer said:
Well I don't think any information from this trip made it back to Earth...
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This is mentioned by Holloway before they head down tot he planet. He asks about someone (I assume people on Earth) not replying to a message.

Mr_eX said:
Between the events of Prometheus and Alien you don't think they'd send any other ships there to check out what happened?
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Who would know apart from people in Weyland Corp? Would the people left in charge really want to send a search party to look for Weyland or his daughter? They probably don't care/are happy they don't return.
 
Mr_eX said:
Between the events of Prometheus and Alien you don't think they'd send any other ships there to check out what happened?
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Probably not. If it's any indication the same kinds of people running space exploration are the ones planning them.

The Prometheus has disappeared off the map sir what could it mean? Must be a glitch LOL
 
Speedymanic said:
I agree, but his attempting to touch it is somewhat believable, as stupid as it seems to us/any rational thinking person.

A smarter biologist would have backed off after it opened its 'mouth' and started hissing, but then Milburn doesn't appear to be very smart as evidenced by his wandering off with Fifield, who moments earlier told him he wasn't interested in talking to him.
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He was probably going to die as soon as the snake/serpent appeared.

My take is that because creationists hate biologists (haha evolution) and geologists (haha continental drift), they had to be the first two to go. :P
 
MTV does a email Q&A with Lindelof:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1687022/prometheus-secrets-damon-lindelof.jhtml

From: Damon Lindelof
To: Josh Horowitz
Sent June 10, 2012, 7:26 p.m.

J,

Thanks for going a second time, but it is clear those cute zoo animals have soundly defeated us. Maybe the next time I try to convince Noomi Rapace to wear a rainbow-colored afro wig, she'll listen to me.

Vickers. Yes, she does look like David. Yes, this was intentional. What better way to piss off your daughter than to build the male equivalent of her? But enough about daddy issues (seriously, Lindelof, we get it!), allow me to answer your question. Is she a robot?

She is not.

But did Vickers somehow survive being smushed by the gigantic rolling horseshoe that was the derelict ship? Could her scantily-clad push-up training have saved her in that final moment of crushitude? And more importantly, WHY DIDN'T SHE JUST RUN ZIG-ZAGGY OR SIDEWAYS TO AVOID IT?!?

I don't have the answers to these questions, Josh. I'm just the writer.

Your Pal,
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From: Damon Lindelof
To: Josh Horowitz
Sent June 11, 2012, 2:53 a.m.

Joshua,

My answers are below, in bold. So that you can tell the difference.

Damon, you have been extremely patient with me this weekend so I'm going to let you finally go on your way. But before you redirect my e-mail address to your spam folder I'm going to throw a few final questions at you in the hopes that I've worn you down to the point of revealing all. Rapid-fire style.

Is this like a rap battle? AWESOME.

Why did David poison Charlie? Was he hoping he'd impregnate Elizabeth or was that just a nice bonus?

In the scene preceding said "poisoning" (but WAS it?), David was chatting with someone in cryo-sleep via headset that we can safely assume is Weyland. If I were a betting man, I'd say something happened in that conversation that very specifically directed David to spike Holloway's champagne. And yes, it was a safe bet that Holloway would have sex with Shaw soon after. Which is why in space, you should always wear a condom!

Did you and Ridley and Jon discuss who created the Engineers?

Yes. But the more fascinating question is this: Do the Engineers KNOW who created them?

Have you guys worked out the answer to Elizabeth Shaw's burning question, i.e. why did our creators turn on us?

Golly, I'm all for ambiguity, but if we didn't know the answer to THAT one, the audience would have every right to string us up. Yes. There is an answer. One that is hinted at within the goalposts of "Prometheus." I'll bet if I asked you to take a guess you wouldn't be far off.
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Last night I had a dream I encountered an engineer at a family party and he was trying to kill only me for some reason. I managed not to get killed and then we became cool for some reason and he let me stay at his condo in Hawaii for a week. We both agreed he and the movie kind of sucked.
 
Speedymanic said:
I agree, but his attempting to touch it is somewhat believable, as stupid as it seems to us/any rational thinking person.

A smarter biologist would have backed off after it opened its 'mouth' and started hissing, but then Milburn doesn't appear to be very smart as evidenced by his wandering off with Fifield, who moments earlier told him he wasn't interested in talking to him.
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An actual biologist wouldn't try to touch it at all - let alone pet it. An actual biologist would probably take pictures first - return to the ship and get some kind of containment unit - return with some sort of crew to capture the animal. Not pet the hissing snake alien in the tomb of our makers with no outside contact due to a storm of flying metal.
 
Speedymanic said:
Who would know apart from people in Weyland Corp? Would the people left in charge really want to send a search party to look for Weyland or his daughter? They probably don't care/are happy they don't return.
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At the very least they'd want their super expensive ship back.
 
thecouncil said:
Let's say the space jockey from Alien is Dr. Shaw.

She left the planet in one of those horseshoe alien ships. She was already infected by that black goo (after sex) and was still a living host.

She landed or crashed on the other planet that is visited in 'Alien' and another alien burst from her chest.

The audio that she was recording at the end of Prometheus was her basically saying "if you get this message, don't come here or you'll die." She must have been recording this on the ship she took off in.

So THAT's the beacon that Ripley and them get in Alien. Ripley has to translate it because it's recorded on outdated technology. She does eventually realize, too late of course, that it was actually a warning not to come there. which is what Shaw was recording at the end of the movie.

its all speculation because nothing really makes sense in that movie. haha.
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yes i think thats very possible how the sequel will end.
 
In the scene preceding said "poisoning" (but WAS it?), David was chatting with someone in cryo-sleep via headset that we can safely assume is Weyland. If I were a betting man, I'd say something happened in that conversation that very specifically directed David to spike Holloway's champagne. And yes, it was a safe bet that Holloway would have sex with Shaw soon after. Which is why in space, you should always wear a condom!
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I don't understand what Weyland would hope to achieve by having David experiment on the crew. Was the hope that a dash of the black goo would somehow make Holloway healthier and more powerful, and so that it could do the same for Weyland? And then what did David hope to do with the proto-facehugger growing inside Shaw?

Certainly none of those things were going to somehow manifest an Engineer that Weyland could question.
 
Dan said:
I don't understand what Weyland would hope to achieve by having David experiment on the crew. Was the hope that a dash of the black goo would somehow make Holloway healthier and more powerful, and so that it could do the same for Weyland? And then what did David hope to do with the proto-facehugger growing inside Shaw?

Certainly none of those things were going to somehow manifest an Engineer that Weyland could question.
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Exactly, "try harder" means what, exactly?If your express purpose for going there is to extend your life (is it or was it just to meet his maker before he died?) what did he hope that infecting one of them would do? I guess he just wanted him to experiment with it. I don't know.
 
Freakinchair said:
An actual biologist wouldn't try to touch it at all - let alone pet it. An actual biologist would probably take pictures first - return to the ship and get some kind of containment unit - return with some sort of crew to capture the animal. Not pet the hissing snake alien in the tomb of our makers with no outside contact due to a storm of flying metal.
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I agree, just saying that what we know about the character at that specific moment, it is somewhat believable that he'd try to pet it.

Mr_eX said:
At the very least they'd want their super expensive ship back.
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We don't have an idea of how much the ship really cost the company (I know it's mentioned that it cost 1 trillion), but that might be small change for the company.

And they've just got rid of both Weyland his daughter, it would probably be written off as an expensive loss but ultimately no-one within the company will care. Finally got rid of the old man who wouldn't let go of the reigns, etc.
 
Damon Lindelof said:
In the scene preceding said "poisoning" (but WAS it?), David was chatting with someone in cryo-sleep via headset that we can safely assume is Weyland. If I were a betting man, I'd say something happened in that conversation that very specifically directed David to spike Holloway's champagne. And yes, it was a safe bet that Holloway would have sex with Shaw soon after.
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So that was part of the plan? For fuck's sake... Shouldn't really surprise me after the bear cage sex, I guess, but...

the more fascinating question is this: Do the Engineers KNOW who created them?
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If you say so.

Yes. There is an answer. One that is hinted at within the goalposts of "Prometheus." I'll bet if I asked you to take a guess you wouldn't be far off.
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Space Jesus confirmed. Thanks, Damon. You never disappoint.
 
Dan said:
I don't understand what Weyland would hope to achieve by having David experiment on the crew. Was the hope that a dash of the black goo would somehow make Holloway healthier and more powerful, and so that it could do the same for Weyland? And then what did David hope to do with the proto-facehugger growing inside Shaw?

Certainly none of those things were going to somehow manifest an Engineer that Weyland could question.
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What is interesting is that Weyland apparently thought of his crew as expendable. Much like Mother in Alien. They were lab rats that he was using his "son," David, to experiment on. I don't think David cared what happened to Shaw or her husband. In some ways, David had become a creator of his own, I suppose, in that he infected a human who then had sex with Shaw and produced some sort of mixed offspring (presumably).
 
I've always been one to keep my sanity and leave behind things I don't like. The Crying Game, Country Music, Dubstep etc. So it is very interesting to see people harp on about something they don't like in a thread such as this. I don't understand. It won't get the $13 dollars back. I respect thought out criticisms though. But I guess this is Gaf and Prometheus will go through the it sucked-it's amazing-it's overrated-plot holes lol-meme cycle.
 
BuddyJoeHooker said:
Question why would David infect a crew member?

I don't know.

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They had very specific goals to capture and bring back xenomorphs. Weyland's goal is to either avoid death or get answers from an Engineer. Experimenting with the crew doesn't go very very far with that. I guess testing the black goo would make some sense, but counting on the sex and pregnancy angle is silly, and definitely doesn't help shit.

andycapps said:
What is interesting is that Weyland apparently thought of his crew as expendable. Much like Mother in Alien. They were lab rats that he was using his "son," David, to experiment on. I don't think David cared what happened to Shaw or her husband. In some ways, David had become a creator of his own, I suppose, in that he infected a human who then had sex with Shaw and produced some sort of mixed offspring (presumably).
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I think it would have been a much more interesting movie if they just explored David striking out on his own to be a creator. But that ended up going nowhere.
 
Speedymanic said:
Ash didn't try to infect any of the crew, he was just trying to capture and preserve the alien.

Burke was a desperate dick.
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Ash was more concerned with the xeno than the crew. His orders were that the xeno was too priority, crew is expendable. Ash was directly responsible for all but one death in Alien.
 
I think David had his own agenda regardless of Weylands pushing. Remember he wasn't to fond of his 'father' despite being an apparent indifferent robot. He also vaguely asks Tom Hardy2' permission before infecting his drink 'what would you be willing to do to get your answers? ...anything and everything'. I don't think David values human life and was independently interested in the results of his experiment.
 
Fantomex said:
I've always been one to keep my sanity and leave behind things I don't like. The Crying Game, Country Music, Dubstep etc. So it is very interesting to see people harp on about something they don't like in a thread such as this. I don't understand. It won't get the $13 dollars back. I respect thought out criticisms though. But I guess this is Gaf and Prometheus will go through the it sucked-it's amazing-it's overrated-plot holes lol-meme cycle.
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What should be discussed?
 
Dan said:
I think it would have been a much more interesting movie if they just explored David striking out on his own to be a creator. But that ended up going nowhere.
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Well, he still has access to a human who is presumably infected with some sort of alien DNA. So, he could just be tagging along for the next results of the Shaw pregnancy experiment.
 
Fantomex said:
I've always been one to keep my sanity and leave behind things I don't like. The Crying Game, Country Music, Dubstep etc. So it is very interesting to see people harp on about something they don't like in a thread such as this. I don't understand. It won't get the $13 dollars back. I respect thought out criticisms though. But I guess this is Gaf and Prometheus will go through the it sucked-it's amazing-it's overrated-plot holes lol-meme cycle.
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Probably because it's something we all anticipated, as well as being something that ties into a series we love.

It's not as simple as "we don't like it."
 
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