PROMETHEUS UNMARKED SPOILER THREAD!
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My theory
Engineers wanted to create the perfect life form and they succeeded with the xenomorphs. The xenos need hosts so the enginees created humans and once the population was high enough they'd introduce the xenos(or slime that would rapidly evolve into xenos). It all backfired of course.
Engineers wanted to create the perfect life form and they succeeded with the xenomorphs. The xenos need hosts so the enginees created humans and once the population was high enough they'd introduce the xenos(or slime that would rapidly evolve into xenos). It all backfired of course.
So why weren't any more of the creators sent to Earth to take care of us? Something happened on this 'military installation' that stopped their initial plan from occurring, and for 2000 years nobody on their home planet noticed this? Or the did and then did nothing about it? They had no other weapons to wipe us out.
There are several other possibilities. One is that they didn't want to spoonfeed viewers with answers and have it just be 1 1/2 hours of dialog explaining everything, and then 30 minutes of stuff happening. The other is that they hinted at a lot of things, but the studio wanted it trimmed down to 2 hours and so Scott did what he could but his real vision will be in the DC. A 3rd option is that many of the ideas that were introduced will be resolved in a sequel. My opinion is that 2 and 3 are the case.
Another option is what the vocal ones here are championing: that the story is just a mess.
The Elite
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It wouldn't have been rated R if it was a cash grab.
None of the problems already mentioned (playing with cobra, "father", vickers' death etc) really bothered me, except the captain and pilots "another day at the office" attitude about killing themselves. I wish they showed absolute terror, or maybe had a "nothing to live for anyway" backstory.
Wouldn't work because the timeframe is all fucked up. Assuming the engineers seeded the human race via suicide/panspermia, that's still an extraordinary long time to wait just to grow hosts for xenomorphs. Not to mention the early civilizations who the engineers apparently visited (which is a detail I hate; Erich von Däniken bullshit) without seeding them with magic black goo that inseminates and resurrects at will.
BuddyJoeHooker
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I can't agree with this theory because it is AvP level, the predators did the same thing. I think the engineer went mad because he saw them as a violent race. Shaw was attacked in front of him.
where does the whole jesus thing comes from???
David Incorporated Esq.
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Seriously people keep saying this but: What questions?
I don't think the film left any legitimate questions open. The only questions I have result from poor story-telling and not from any thought-provoking mysteries.
Ridley Scott's bunghole
Ridley Scott mentioned it in an interview
Mattdaddy
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Yea that bothered me too. Those two co pilots are instantly like "Ok no problem, we'll stay I guess even though we could escape. Sip some coffee."
Net_Wrecker
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"....Father" and Vicker's death and the pilot suicide bomb didn't bother me because I realized by then that the movie was veering off course after not one "post-chestbuster in Alien" scene happened. If the plot doesn't care to put a spotlight on the alien that just got removed from this lady's womb (or spotlight ANY of this crazy crap happening), I mean, why should I continue to get frustrated?
The widespread theorizing is way more entertaining anyway.
HANDS UP!
I will forever think that was improv as that seems too stupid even for Lindelof.
yeah that was a real WTF moment i have seen in a long time, the scientist playing with worm aliens was just horror movie cliche but HANDS UP was just too much!
It left tons of questions open. Why did the last engineer act the way it did? Why were the engineers seemingly worshiping a xenomorph in that tomb/temple? What happened to the rest of the engineers? Why did different results happen to people that came into contact with the black goo? Etc.. There's many more.
It seems like what some people wanted was 2 hours of dialog just explaining the universe. Then we'd get complaints of it being boring and just an information dump.
How would the engineer have better explained his actions in killing everyone? Should he speak to them in subtitles about what he's about to do and then do it? Maybe he sits them down in a lounge in his engineer ship and explains that tomb/temple and what happened to his buddies. Explains everything about the xenomorphs. And then he kills them all.
David Incorporated Esq.
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The thing that gets me more than nobody talking about it is Shaw's ability to run around just fine post surgery. Abdominal surgery like that is a big fucking deal.
Imagine someone sliced you across your belly and severed all of your muscle tissue. Imagine trying to do anything after that.
I can't imagine the visionary behind the hard scifi classic Ollie Klublershturf vs. the Nazis writing anything but stellar dialogue.
David Incorporated Esq.
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I seriously don't care about any of those and, in fact, I generally make a note of not trying to understand the motivations of more advanced species presented in sci-fi. They should be purposefully incomprehensible and when authors try to make sense of their motivations you end up with Mass Effect 3.
So really the only questions are: Why are the engineers such idiots/assholes? and What the fuck is the point of the aliens?
The questions that are raised during the movie don't go along any one theme, it's just a jumble of different questions with no rhyme or reason to them.
You missed Elba and his pilots ramming into the ship?
Of course not. I just don't remember anyone saying that.
I liked the 'hands up' bit, not even sure why. It just worked in a "fuck it" kind of way.
That's what the captain yelled just before ramming the ship. It's also why all three of them put their hands in the air.
This thread is really depressing me. I enjoyed the movie. There were definitely a few things that didn't make sense, but I liked it as an entertaining sci-fi experience. Now, after reading the last few pages of this thread, I feel like I like the movie a little bit less...and really, that not a benefit to anyone.
thecouncil
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link, please?
shaw said they werent going to have an earth to go back to if they didnt stop it. so they put humanity before themselves.
vickers also asked something like "did anyone die?" referring to the cryo sleep journey in the very beginning. maybe everyone was there with the knowledge of potential death before even reaching their destination. maybe they already had a "nothing to live for" backstory. they didnt have to explain that to you though.
Try not to let it get to you. Honestly between this thread and skimming some of the RT reviews it sometimes feels like these people watched a different film than I did...
I loved it. As a hardcore Alien/Aliens fan, it more than satisfied me.
If you enjoyed the movie (which I did), you shouldn't worry what other people think. That said, you should still be able to make fun of it.
Oh...I guess it didn't phase me since I assumed it was some in-joke between the pilots since they seemed to have been doing this together for a while.
I feel this way too. Though I'm much more of an Alien fan than Aliens fan.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Yeah for all my bitching I had fun watching it, I'm just not going to try to trick myself into thinking it was some deep, powerful or otherwise thought-provoking movie.
Regardless no one cares about the guys sacrificing themselves at the end. There was no audience connection to those characters, even Elba, who acted like a disinterested dick most of the movie. The ending should have been tense and dramatic, instead it was just kind of there. I felt like I watched it all unfold at a distance.
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Having a discussion with a buddy of mine. Did the engineer ever hit Shaw while on the ship? I swear she ran after he went ape shit.
David Incorporated Esq.
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And then that cheesy slo-mo crash. Would have been so much cooler to see a full speed slam a la Mythbuster's rocket-cart.
thecouncil
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dave, your two questions seem to be andycapps questions worded differently.
shaw had a monster baby because there was some kinda combination of sperm and black slime? and holloway and fifield started turning into monsters when exposed to it. what other results were there?
wait. was fifield the one who had the worm go down his throat? or was it the other guy? if it was fifield, why did he turn into a monster? if it was other guy, shouldnt that worm in his throat have resulted in a chestburster alien or something. that engineer at the end had an alien bust outta him when that squid shoved a tentacle down his throat.
David Incorporated Esq.
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I care about those questions as much as I care about the motivations behind the monster in Jeepers Creepers.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Nope. Whole story is about Jesus. They are not even subtle about it.
The first Alien was about sex.
Honestly I can't remember the names of anyone outside of Shaw and David. The geologist dude (mohawk, dumbo #1) got his helmet caved in thanks to the black-goo-acid and eventually turned into a zombie for some reason.
Fitting, as Prometheus seems to be Event Horizon worded differently.
Its hell from Event Horizon!
thecouncil
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yeah, i had to look up their names, but fifield is the geologist guy. he fell into the black goo after that thing melted on his face. then he turned into a monster like holloway (shaws husband), so those two men turning into a monster were a result of that black goo.
DEAD RABBIT
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About Vickers' superhuman strength. I don't think she is superstrong, it's that David knows that she is Weyland's daughter and that she doesn't like that Weyland dislikes her. At that moment, David let her have her way with him. The 'Vickers acts like a robot' could be because she wants to be liked by her father, who likens android David to the son he never had. I find it funny that David calls her Mom in the beginning (unless it's Ma'am in a strange accent)... a subtle reference to Alien? Perhaps she is some kind of more-human robot or is David making fun of her robotic behavior / role on the ship?
One thing I find a bit strange is that Weyland looks very old in comparison to Vickers when you think about a father daughter relation. I'd say at least 50 years difference. So I am thinking it is a bit more subtle than that Vickers is simply the daughter of Weyland. If Weyland was interested in eternal life, perhaps Vickers was some kind of 'failed' experiment. Weyland also doesn't seem to be the kind of person who's interested in family life or in his offspring, unless for said eternal life goal.
To clarify, I think Weyland was not necessarily interested in extending his own life to infinity, but if it was possible, he would certainly do it. I guess he grasped for other simpler options to preserve himself/his talents (as to not let it go to waste) through Vickers and David. He likes David more than Vickers, because David is a robot who can be programmed to do whatever Weyland would want him to do (for instance, program his own essence into a robot), but he recognizes the limitations (lack of a soul). Vickers on the other hand can't be controlled at all, because she is a human being and thus uncontrollable. On the other hand, she is closer to Weyland talents in spirit than David could ever be. Daughter or clone, it doesn't really matter.
To me, this sheds some interesting light on Weyland and the Engineers. I guess his motivation to meet the Engineers is, because in a way, he is the human equivalent of an Engineer. A builder wanting to meet another builder, one that created him. I think that that is a tantalizing idea. The Engineer sees Weyland and his creation, David, next to him and marvels at it. But the way Engineers create life, is by sacrificing themselves and let things evolve as they may fit with supposedly little influence. This is entirely counter to what Weyland is as an engineer and completely counter to what David represents, a perfectly designed being. Weyland's and the Engineers' motivations may have been the same, create life that exceeds your own, simply out of curiosity of the consequences, but their methods are completely opposite. I am not sure if the Engineer would become so furious of such a sight that he decides to kill David and Weyland and every other human being.
One thing I find a bit strange is that Weyland looks very old in comparison to Vickers when you think about a father daughter relation. I'd say at least 50 years difference. So I am thinking it is a bit more subtle than that Vickers is simply the daughter of Weyland. If Weyland was interested in eternal life, perhaps Vickers was some kind of 'failed' experiment. Weyland also doesn't seem to be the kind of person who's interested in family life or in his offspring, unless for said eternal life goal.
To clarify, I think Weyland was not necessarily interested in extending his own life to infinity, but if it was possible, he would certainly do it. I guess he grasped for other simpler options to preserve himself/his talents (as to not let it go to waste) through Vickers and David. He likes David more than Vickers, because David is a robot who can be programmed to do whatever Weyland would want him to do (for instance, program his own essence into a robot), but he recognizes the limitations (lack of a soul). Vickers on the other hand can't be controlled at all, because she is a human being and thus uncontrollable. On the other hand, she is closer to Weyland talents in spirit than David could ever be. Daughter or clone, it doesn't really matter.
To me, this sheds some interesting light on Weyland and the Engineers. I guess his motivation to meet the Engineers is, because in a way, he is the human equivalent of an Engineer. A builder wanting to meet another builder, one that created him. I think that that is a tantalizing idea. The Engineer sees Weyland and his creation, David, next to him and marvels at it. But the way Engineers create life, is by sacrificing themselves and let things evolve as they may fit with supposedly little influence. This is entirely counter to what Weyland is as an engineer and completely counter to what David represents, a perfectly designed being. Weyland's and the Engineers' motivations may have been the same, create life that exceeds your own, simply out of curiosity of the consequences, but their methods are completely opposite. I am not sure if the Engineer would become so furious of such a sight that he decides to kill David and Weyland and every other human being.
Speedymanic
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Honestly, it's reached a point where people are complaining about things for the sake of complaining.
I accept the movie is flawed, but some of the comments being thrown around are just ridiculous.
Feeling spat on by the movie? A disaster? Really?
It's putting me off from replying to posts/theories that I think are good, it's stifling discussion. Hate the movie? Cool, no need to keep telling everyone you hate it or keep posting drivel.
Well, all the dead bodies of the folks who got slaughtered by the engineer are probably there still...
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