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[Zeliard]

There's a lot of people being "deliberately obtuse" when it comes to this movie.

There's no problem with people just not making that connection in general, but I find it hilarious that these guys are lambasting it at something that makes utterly no sense and is the dumbest thing ever, yet remain comically oblivious to the underlying reason.

Here's that part in the review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_jYwfgvMWw#t=46m45s

Good example of their "humor" as well.

 

[symphonask]

How did mohawk and hoodie get lost when they were being tracked in the 3D map monitor and had direct contact to the ship the entire time?

What was the green goo that David finds and sees shining flakes in it as he examines it between his fingers? It wasn't mentioned or shown again in the film IIRC.

Love this thread

Geologist was high. By the time they realised they were lost and made communication with the captain they were stuck anyway because of the S
sandstorm.

The green goo I think allowed David to interact with the stone relief around the door so he could open it.

 

[botty]

I can only imagine how much better this movie would have been without any ties to Alien.

 

[JB1981]

How did mohawk and hoodie get lost when they were being tracked in the 3D map monitor and had direct contact to the ship the entire time?

What was the green goo that David finds and sees shining flakes in it as he examines it between his fingers? It wasn't mentioned or shown again in the film IIRC.

Love this thread

Because the plot needed them to. The end. Bad writing

 

[Keylime]

I can only imagine how much better this movie would have been without any ties to Alien.

I don't see how this movie at all interferes with any of the other Alien movies. All those movies need to have happen in these movies is create Xenomorphs...but none of this "where did they come from, where did we come from" stuff has any impact at all to Alien/Aliens.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Why is the green goo such a mystery?

We see it on a carving. David examines it and sees that it reacts to pressure with some kind of glowing (likely to show to the audience it is a power source). Goo is wiped into slots to activate machinery.

Pretty simple.

 

[Solo]

Prometheus 2 Tha Grave

 

[Dresden]

I can only imagine how much better this movie would have been without any ties to Alien.

It wouldn't help much, if at all. Bad Writing.

 

[The Elite]

Prometheus 2 Tha Grave

Prometheus Unbounded

 

[Solo]

I'm going to submit a Prometheus 2 script under the pen name of Demon Lindelol. No one will know the difference! My movie will have space boobs and tentacle consensual sex.

 

[Zeliard]

Haha I don't think the whole "Fifield was high" thing is a proper explanation there, unless he was toking on some super-powerful strain of futuristic weed containing great hallucinogenic properties.

One of the things I found odd while watching was how carefree, unconcerned and seemingly amused Janek, who was captain, was being about two of his crew being completely lost in some unknown alien environment. They're like "hey man we're totally lost out here" and he's basically like "heh, well just spend the night and we'll come get you in the morning. lol."

 

[Solo]

I submit that they got lost because Fifield (mohawk) was high. To me that's a reasonable guess, but it definitely isn't clear from the movie.

He wasn't high though. The movie directly says tobacco.

 

[Dresden]

One of the things I found odd while watching was how carefree, unconcerned and seemingly amused Janek, who was captain, was being about two of his crew being completely lost in some unknown alien environment. They're like "hey man we're totally lost out here" and he's basically like "heh, well just spend the night and we'll come get you in the morning. lol."

Yeah, it's been discussed a few times before in the thread--the general consensus is that you can't blame a man for wanting to shag Theron instead.

 

[Keylime]

He wasn't high though. The movie directly says tobacco.

*bong-hit noise*

 

[Zeliard]

Yeah, it's been discussed a few times before in the thread--the general consensus is that you can't blame a man for wanting to shag Theron instead.

Haha, fair enough

 

[Speedymanic]

Haha I don't think the whole "Fifield was high" thing is a proper explanation there, unless he was toking on some super-powerful strain of futuristic weed containing great hallucinogenic properties.

One of the things I found odd while watching was how carefree, unconcerned and seemingly amused Janek, who was captain, was being about two of his crew being completely lost in some unknown alien environment. They're like "hey man we're totally lost out here" and he's basically like "heh, well just spend the night and we'll come get you in the morning. lol."

I took it as him thinking there was no threat, the other team had returned successfully and the only alien they found was a dead one, the pups also weren't picking up any moving life signs, so he probably thought they were relatively safe.

Saying that, he did show some concern when he saw all the dead engineers.

 

[DrEvil]

How does something survive and grow without sustenance?

Also remember that the squidbaby went from conception to '3 months' pregnant and then to an extracted living lifeform within 10 hours, it's no surprise that it could be huge in very little time.

 

[Solo]

Also remember that the squidbaby went from conception to '3 months' pregnant and then to an extracted living lifeform within 10 hours, it's no surprise that it could be huge in very little time.

Sure, but it had a host to leech off during that phase.

Anyways, it seems like the growth issue is pretty dumb/arbitrary/as-the-plot-requires across the board in this franchise, so I guess theres nothing to really debate there.

 

[brandonh83]

Can't wait for a Prometheus version of this.

 

[Tom_Cody]

How did mohawk and hoodie get lost when they were being tracked in the 3D map monitor and had direct contact to the ship the entire time?

What was the green goo that David finds and sees shining flakes in it as he examines it between his fingers? It wasn't mentioned or shown again in the film IIRC.

Love this thread

That's the 64 dollar question, how on earth did they get lost. I can only assume he lost the connection back to the ship due to the storm which meant he didn't have access to the map. It's flaky, the alternative is poor writing.

That they don't have access to the map is specifically shown in the scene in which Janek mentions the life sign (the sleeping Engineer). They clearly don't have access to the mapping data and that scene implies that it has to do with the sand storm. Maybe that explanation isn't good enough, but the movie presents presents pretty directly that they do not have access to it which makes it plausible that they could get lost in such a large subterranean structure.

I took it as him thinking there was no threat, the other team had returned successfully and the only alien they found was a dead one, the pups also weren't picking up any moving life signs, so he probably thought they were relatively safe.

Saying that, he did show some concern when he saw all the dead engineers.

I agree with this. That they thought the planet was dead and inert explains a lot of the character behavior that some complain is reckless.

 

[FStop7]

I don't think Lindelof will be coming back.

He will be back and Abrahms will direct. It will be a reboot. A younger, fresher, sexed up Prometheus. Russell Brand as the Deacon. Simon Pegg as the geologist. Kal Penn as Weyland - he'll still be 114 years old, but he'll not have any old age makeup on. In fact he'll have young makeup on to make him look like he's college age.

 

[Solo]

He will be back and Abrahms will direct. It will be a reboot. A younger, fresher, sexed up Prometheus. Russell Brand as the Deacon. Simon Pegg as the geologist. Cal Penn as Weyland.

So its already better than Prometheus?!

 

[Zeliard]

I took it as him thinking there was no threat, the other team had returned successfully and the only alien they found was a dead one, the pups also weren't picking up any moving life signs, so he probably thought they were relatively safe.

Even then though, as I recall, he still didn't show a great deal of concern when he did pick up signs of a life form, writing it off as a mere glitch to be fixed instead of investigating further. The other crew members weren't in the environment for very long before having to leave due to the sandstorm, so it seemed strange how Janek treated it as an entirely sterile, safe place given its significant alien (i.e. unknown) properties.

Granted, the viewer knows that horror movie logic decrees Fifield and Millburn will shortly die, which is information Janek doesn't have, but at the time I watched it his untroubled attitude struck me as odd. Theron explanation is a good one though

 

[JB1981]

Even then though, as I recall, he still didn't show a great deal of concern when he did pick up signs of a life form, writing it off as a mere glitch to be fixed instead of investigating further. The other crew members weren't in the environment for very long before having to leave due to the sandstorm, so it seemed strange how Janek treated it as an entirely sterile, safe place given its significant alien (i.e. unknown) properties.

Granted, the viewer knows that horror movie logic decrees Fifield and Millburn will shortly die, which is information Janek doesn't have, but at the time I watched it his untroubled attitude struck me as odd. Theron explanation is a good one though

It's definitely an odd scene. The second time I saw the movie I almost got the impression that he wanted them to die or something.

 

[Solo]

He banged Theron BEFORE that though.

 

[Tom_Cody]

So many bits in this remind me of the Metroid franchise. Obviously that series ripped off Alien in the first place, but I couldn't shake the feeling of Metroid while watching Prometheus. The Zero Suit, the similarities to the Chozo, the similarity of the historic hologram footage to the Chozo ghosts. Fun stuff.

 

[botty]

I don't see how this movie at all interferes with any of the other Alien movies. All those movies need to have happen in these movies is create Xenomorphs...but none of this "where did they come from, where did we come from" stuff has any impact at all to Alien/Aliens.

It's not Prometheus having impact on Alien, rather Alien having impact on Prometheus. Prometheus is such a philosophical movie that all the cheap horror bits --Alien influence-- takes away from the deeper message. What was the point of that last scene anyway? Doesn't work with the Alien canon.

 

[The Elite]

Vickers should have survived and became a bounty hunter.

 

[Solo]

Prometheus is such a philosophical movie that all the cheap horror bits --Alien influence-- takes away from the deeper message.

We have to go derper

 

[commedieu]

That they don't have access to the map is specifically shown in the scene in which Janek mentions the life sign (the sleeping Engineer). They clearly don't have access to the mapping data and that scene implies that it has to do with the sand storm. Maybe that explanation isn't good enough, but the movie presents presents pretty directly that they do not have access to it which makes it plausible that they could get lost in such a large subterranean structure.

I agree with this. That they thought the planet was dead and inert explains a lot of the character behavior that some complain is reckless.

Before they knew they were lost, or even the scan was finished. They had a coordinate system. As they were able to report in, with coordinates. To what, who knows... but they had some sort of positional data.

Writing is horrible.

 

[zoukka]

He wasn't high though. The movie directly says tobacco.

Read between the inhales.

 

[JB1981]

He banged Theron BEFORE that though.

No he didn't. The scene with him and Theron is when he is on the deck all alone drinking and playing with this instrument. He speaks to the guys about sitting tight and the lifeform well before. Still it's really stupid.

 

[Spectral Glider]

He wasn't high though. The movie directly says tobacco.

Surgeon General's warning: Smoking outside of Earth's atmosphere causes memory loss and lust for space cobras.

 

[Solo]

Surgeon General's warning: Smoking outside of Earth's atmosphere causes memory loss and lust for space cobras.

Holy shit, the movie now makes sense!

 

[TUROK]

For those trying to rationalize the spermhugger growing to immense proportions by saying "that shit happens all the time in the alien movies," you have to realize that that only happens to Chestbursters, not Facehuggers. There's no point in a Facehugger growing to that size because it's not a hunter. It exists solely to procreate. Hell, the concept art had the spermhugger being smaller than the Engineer.

There's nothing wrong with asking for consistency within a series, but if you naysayers want to keep rationalizing that as "lol, you nerds want an explanation for everything," well then have at it.

 

[Zeliard]

Haha damn Solo, did you really hate it that much?

I had plenty of problems with it but overall I enjoyed myself quite a bit. Movie gets a level of vitriol thrown at it that I don't quite understand.

I also took a page out of the Sculli book and watched it at a LieMAX, which was my first time going to one. Those digital screens are pretty nice. Larger than usual and the sound is excellent. The 3D was beautiful as well, especially as someone who has next-to-no experience with it. I was pretty mesmerized.

 

[botty]

We have to go derper

Well a sequel is in the works, right?

 

[SilentProtagonist]

Haha true. I guess this is the issue I have with this thread. People have issues with stuff that doesn't make sense, but it hasn't really made sense from the beginning. Character gripes I can understand, but even characters have never been all that great in these movies.

This can't be said enough. I love ALIEN and ALIENS, some of my favorite movies. But I could sit here and pick apart all of the nonsense from both of those movies and if we're talking about cheesy dialogue then you HAVE to have a problem with ALIENS.

 

[The Elite]

For those trying to rationalize the spermhugger growing to immense proportions by saying "that shit happens all the time in the alien movies," you have to realize that that only happens to Chestbursters, not Facehuggers. There's no point in a Facehugger growing to that size because it's not a hunter. It exists solely to procreate. Hell, the concept art had the spermhugger being smaller than the Engineer.

There's nothing wrong with asking for consistency within a series, but if you naysayers want to keep rationalizing that as "lol, you nerds want an explanation for everything," well then have at it.

There's no point that a facehugger is grown in a stomach in any of the other Alien movies. This isn't the natural process that we've sen previously. It's not unreasonable to think that the different evolution of the facehugger here would yield a different result (i.e. a larger facehugger). I don't think this is an issue, at all.

 

[Tom_Cody]

Before they knew they were lost, or even the scan was finished. They had a coordinate system. As they were able to report in, with coordinates. To what, who knows... but they had some sort of positional data.

Writing is horrible.

Eh, this sort of thing just doesn't bother me. For the sake of the plot they got lost. Would the movie really be bteer if they spelled out why more directly? As it is there is a scene that shows them not having access to the map because of the sand storm. That was good enough for me.

 

[Solo]

Haha damn Solo, did you really hate it that much?

On a scripting level, yes. For me, the saddest thing about this whole project is that it was dead in the water before they shot a single frame, due to the script. Sure, its pretty to look at and has some good performances, but I didn't care about anything going on and didn't feel there were any real stakes because the characterizations were borderline insulting and most of the new mythology introduced was ham-fisted and silly, at best.

Hate is not the right phrase so much as gobsmackingly, monumentally disappointed is.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I submit that they got lost because Fifield (mohawk) was high. To me that's a reasonable guess, but it definitely isn't clear from the movie.

This is the first semi-plausible explanation that I have heard. Got freaked out, started smoking it up right away, got baked, got lost.

Still stupid but I'll roll with it.

 

[McNei1y]

For those trying to rationalize the spermhugger growing to immense proportions by saying "that shit happens all the time in the alien movies," you have to realize that that only happens to Xenomorphs, not Facehuggers. There's no point in a Facehugger growing to that size because it's not a hunter. It exists solely to procreate.

There's nothing wrong with asking for consistency within a series, but if you naysayers want to keep rationalizing that as "lol, you nerds want an explanation for everything," well then have at it.

I want to leave it as an unexplained reaction between the goo and sperm/eggs. The goo obviously reacts to other things different like the worms into the wiggle monster and the goo making Fifield turn into a "The Thing" esque monster. The Engineers had to know about such a reaction because of that mural on the wall.

 

[andycapps]

It's not Prometheus having impact on Alien, rather Alien having impact on Prometheus. Prometheus is such a philosophical movie that all the cheap horror bits --Alien influence-- takes away from the deeper message. What was the point of that last scene anyway? Doesn't work with the Alien canon.

You're assuming this leads directly into Alien or that it's connected. It's not necessarily. This movie has been really successful financially so I'd expect to see a sequel.

This can't be said enough. I love ALIEN and ALIENS, some of my favorite movies. But I could sit here and pick apart all of the nonsense from both of those movies and if we're talking about cheesy dialogue then you HAVE to have a problem with ALIENS.

GAME OVER MAN! GAME OVER!

 

[Dresden]

"I traveled for two years. I'm here to make money."

/abandons group and job ten minutes later

/lights it up

 

[Randy Lanzarote]

I went to see Prometheus last night. As a big Alien/Scott fan it was something I was very much looking forward to. It was good, I can't fault the direction and Fassbender was great.... but..... it needs a director's cut. And a sequel. Too many plot holes, underdeveloped characters and unanswered questions for me.

Everything from Holloway's toasty scene felt rushed;

No-one seems that bothered that Holloway was burnt alive.
No-one seems to care that Shaw went nuts and attacked two crew members.
No-one seems to notice that Shaw ran off and performed her own C-Section.
No-one seems to question that Wayland is alive and has on-board with them all along.
No-one seems to care that a living Engineer has been found and the plan is to wake him up.
No-one seems to question why Beardy has turned into a superman zombie.

So many things happen with seemingly no repercussion. Shouldn't the characters sit down and... I dunno... talk about this really fucked up shit they are witnessing? Everyone seems to treat it all as normal everyday stuff.

I'm sure there's a big chunk of footage on the cutting room floor that is mostly dialogue, or backstory. But I guess that doesn't get people paying from 3D glasses. :/

 

[darthbob]

This is the first semi-plausible explanation that I have heard. Got freaked out, started smoking it up right away, got baked, got lost.

Still stupid but I'll roll with it.

No less implausible than the whole Jesus, Jehovah, Yahweh, etc. = Aliens idea.

 

[GhaleonEB]

No less implausible than the whole Jesus, Jehovah, Yahweh, etc. = Aliens idea.

It has the benefit of actually being in the film, and in context.

 

[140.85]

I have zero problem when others disliking films I like. Heck, go ahead and hate them for all I care.

What irks me is this bizarre, elitist, groupthink push to define the general consensus of something because it doesn't meet their expectations.

Honestly I think there is this group of sci-fi fans out there currently who can't sleep at night with the possibility that someday Prometheus might be generally regarded as a solid scifi film and worthy entry into the Alien mythos and enjoyed by most Alien fans.

 

[Solo]

What irks me is this bizarre, elitist, groupthink push to define the general consensus of something because it doesn't meet their expectations.

This is all in your head.